Topic: I'm surprised this hobby and genre of crypto collectibles isn't more popular - page 2. (Read 889 times)

How about Kim Kardashian?  I remember when she posted this.  I texted Kialara who hadn't seen it yet.  We were both pretty taken back, as she had over 100M followers at the time.  I despise her and her family, but no denying she one of the worlds most famous people.  Or how about Apple Co-founder, or former US president "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" (he did lol).  

When Kim posted that, I don't think most had any idea how to find out what it was /where to find it.  However articles were written about it, for example (https://cointelegraph.com/news/kim-kardashian-west-raises-stakes-with-bitcoin-in-charity-poker-night-out).

Some people figured it out and every Kialara on ebay sold right away.  I happened to have a duplicate bar and it sold for 3 x normal price and immediately. I'm not sure if Max/Kialara had anything available on his website at the time, I will have to ask him. Definitely curious how sales went around that time if so.  



( https://thebitcoinnews.com/kim-kardashian-receives-her-first-physical-bitcoin/ )
Matthew Roszak gifts funded Kialara’s to other prominent individuals (US President Bill Clinton and Apple Co-Founder Steve Wozniak









Moses is my boy.  He found me on Instagram  "PhysicalCryptocurrency", was brand new to collectibles and I remember spending quite some time teaching him the space.  Which lead him here.  



As for everything else in this crazy thread that kind of reminds me of the old days, I will say I think a good amount of you guys are off base.  I'm not sure if I'm a lying leviathan spirit, which I kinda hope I am as I think that's hilarious.  I also don't believe in "god", so I guess I'm going to hell where theres a red guy with horns and what not.  Bible versus, that's a new one.  

New funded collectibles are becoming and should be a thing of the past.  This isn't hate, or misinformation or anything like that, it's just how it is and should be, quite frankly.  Anyone can say or think whatever they want, but I know this space as well as anyone (sans MinerJones and Tweetious).  Most new makers just don't know what they are doing or how to appeal to the general collective.  I would say for any newer makers, take a page out of Alpen Coins book.  Despite being funded, which I know even he is on the fence about doing, he's the perfect example of how to become a new coin maker whos appeals to the masses, and does things right. I hold Frank in very high regard as his execution and continued progress has been great.  

Old funded stuff like Casascius and BTCC will always remain popular/desired/etc

First of all - I love the idea of this thread and all the discussions so far, thanks to all involved.

I'm not that knowledgable in physical collectables, but I'd add a couple of thoughts from my (artist) perspective.

I see what most of us are doing in our different ways as charting unexplored areas in a developing land that's similar, but different to known parts of our world.
What we are doing is valuable, because it builds a bridge between the digital and the physical world.
That helps people see value in crypto and enriches its domain, especially bitcoin's.

We need to be patient and continue doing what we love.
It might be similar as with impressionist painters, they were frowned upon and discarded as non art at first but look at the value of impressionist art today.

Cheers.

I am a newbie here . I definitely joined because of physical bitcoin. I am actually working on my own crypto coin (like everyone else). It will be some time before I am there. I am going to produce doge and shib coins , if I make it. I have metals and am starting with sand casting, but will probably move up to a coin press before I make the leap. Any recommendations/advise would be welcome. Actually, any advice is welcome. I actually anticipate this market growing considerably. As crypto sees wider adoption, I am betting on these increasing in value, just because the crypto will increase in value .
I note that large coins sell for a lower premium. Not a lot of people with $7m on hand. Asking $14m for a 10 bitcoin token seems steep.

Speculation on speculative currency is risk on top of risk. I’m in. This is the future!

This, exactly this.

I don't think people are ready for this whole crypto thing yet, we should give them more time to get accustomed to the idea.

It's not just technical literacy, it's also the ideology of satoshi that must be learned in-order to get a larger perspective. 

I was at a bar in Brooklyn, NY last summer and was doing a public poll for my own entertainment to gauge sentiment.

I shit you not I asked about 300 people in the span of the day about Bitcoin. People from age 21-35 and only 3 people owned Bitcoin, and of those 3 only one had it in cold storage.

We are so early with Bitcoin itself it is no wonder why the Bitcoin collectibles space hasn't taken off yet.

I suspect it might be another 10 years before Casascius coins get any real traction.

had you spent the same amount in actually buying Bitcoin and held it, you would have more value than what the coins are now worth.

They did have an epic showcasing of Cass coins at Bitcoin 2021 Miami & I think that definitely garnered a lot of interest in the space, I forgot about the physical showings of these I need to add that one to the list. I snapped a photo and Chibitcty posted it onto his physicalcryptocurrency account a while back if you want to dig down and look at that. It was truly quite the display. There was a comment that there needs to be a new encyclopedia made and I couldn't agree more with that as so many new coins have come out of the wood works since the last one was made. I wonder if Elias will ever update?

other factors must be taken into account.

It's not easy to become a collector. many of us come from other fields (numismatic, philatelic etc - my username has "bollo" inside. this is not casual = francobollo). many other bitcoiners, although in love with the technology and the world behind it, simply do not want to spend money on crypto-themed objects.

that's another factor. the cost.
when I started interfacing in this world/forum M. Caldwell was still active on this forum.
But I would never have bought one of his products because with that premium I would have simply invested that amount in the direct purchase of coins...
my fault. the same I had with bitcoin, it took me a long time to understand the innovation/vault of these stuffs.

Some time ago I also posted a similar thread, wondering why art galleries "snub" our sector.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64100969
and considering that I care much more about values ​​and certain ideals, I am organizing at my own expense here in Italy a 3-day exhibition/conference in which to talk about bitcoin/crypto collectibles themed objects (last weekend of September)

I will give you all the details in the next few days, we are finalizing the contract with the art gallery.
Meanwhile I have reached some fellow collectors and artists, more to come...

Why is the hobby not more popular?

From my interactions with people out in the world, I find that many people are simply not ready for anything remotely related to do with crypto.

Many people are very accustomed and used to the working of the fiat system. It may take a death of a generation for crypto tech to catch on and be used widely.

Many people lack basic computer literacy skills, like IP addresses, the parts of a computer, computer software.

Attempting to teach someone who barely knows how to use a computer to begin-with how to use a non cusodial wallet and send complex trasactions is a massive challenge.

Crypto will only catch on after people make a decision to begin educating themselves on the subject matter. Until then the fiat system will remain prevailant.

Sadly, the last time I remember Selassie posting was when I was new to this forum & he got scammed with a fake listing of a Denarium Gold Parity coin. 

maybe you have missed the red trust that has been left against him? or the flag that was raised? as for your coins accumulating Bitcoin - they do indeed or rather your address accumulates and if we reach threshhold (after another 15-20 years) you will pay out to our address. Mine has been accumulating for 3 years and I am at less than 6% of the way to reaching the minimum for distribution. So, if I am lucky and based on the average gains, I should reach payout in another 94 years - in which time we will be dead and you will never have to make the distribution and whoever gains your Bitcoin will not have to worry about the seats - they can just spend it.  I bought the coins to go in my collection because they are historical alright. Historical in recording the ponzi.

I would say the massive amount of BTC that has been scammed by shady people selling loaded collectibles is what keeps this hobby from being taken seriously.  Not to mention creators that don't scam their customers are attacked by alt accounts of other creators in an attempt to funnel customers away from them leaving new users unsure of who can be trusted.  Until it's more clear who can be trusted and who is just trying to get some easy USD pretending to be friends with users here in chat rooms all day to fleece their "friends" with overpriced goods, I think this hobby will continue to struggle.  Just my $0.02 as someone who has been heavily involved in this trade for more than 13 years.

Edit: I shouldn’t name names. I apologize.

I think about this frequently. I could be wrong, but think the answer is simple. People barely understand Bitcoin, let alone physical bitcoin collectibles.

In public areas like reddit, people mostly do not know the difference between a Chinese knockoff of the MJB coin and a Casascius. Understanding public addresses and private keys are complicated and a funded coin makes no sense to most.

yes that is g moses (as he goes by in several other channels such as telegram) - he stole my idea lol actually we kinda both came up with the idea around the same time.

George is like my brother - very good guy. and man you give donations of items? make the sucker pay, he can afford it lol

his account was locked here and he has been unsuccessful in getting the admins to unlock it and he has refused to make a new forum account as far as I know.

  There was a guy here selassie soldier? who is planning on opening one in FLorida someday.

  I have even donated some of my CypherHodl items just for the museum, including a Smart Contract Timelock Clock redeemable in the year 2100 

  Also, with the fallout of Skamkey I have seen OG's selling their Bitbills and Cas coins.

  I think that is a big factor in people making any decisions from getting into our hobby...especially with the high end loaded items.

  

Yes - security would be a definite need.


what I would love to have is a space where I can have my 3d printers, my lasers - basically my shop - set up, but then also have display areas for all of my collectibles and any that anyone else would want displayed, have areas where people can display pieces for sale (like consignment) they could also then list them on sale on various sites and if they sold, I would simply package/ship them out, a space for VR - where people could enter Bitcoin/crypto VR spaces - I know of at least 3 that exist now and I am sure there are others. A gallery for art etc

Before COVID I was looking at a building that could have done this but they put the sale on hold (due to covid - I think the seller got sick) and then I spent a lot of Bitcoin helping family - most who lost jobs due to covid - for example several of my daughters were servers so the restaurants laid them off.  Not to mention our unemployment system was broken, would crash repeatedly so it was hard for them to even file their weekly claims. I also used 2 Bitcoin to pay off my mom's house.

Needless to say, when it calmed down and the kids were going back to work, I was down about 5 btc and could no longer entertain getting the building - which had also nearly doubled in price.

I still hope to do this one day though

security would be the biggest cost, but to se something up to have it at the bitcoin conference would be amazing, just like they do the mini art gallery, maybe next year we can throw something together, I would love to display my collection, its super eclectic

Again just look at his behavior and words. Not a very good spokes person for the hobby. I tend to upset leviathans in people though. You can't shake me.

There is no secret that I will build pieces for people including Casascious pieces. I encourage it and I'm sure Mike would to. The gold stickers were to bland for me to use. I like tradable rebuildable pieces. I'll have a specific tab on the website for rebuilt pieces soon. As long as you build with your name brand holos its good. If you build with some random DIY then those aren't, because no one knows who built them unless you use your own. It just makes sense. A rule of thumb If you ever find a DIY piece in the wild, you simply redeem it at the point when ownership changes and remove the hologram, BAMM! back to an original redeemed piece. so simple.

I have never bid in a Stack and Bowers auction........another false accusation, but for anyone reading this, feel free to go bid on them,  $1 starting bid.  

I don't think Patrick hurt any collectors, but Yes, he did contact me to help him. I help anyone who comes and asks for it. I'll even help you if you want it I won't believe your lies and put downs though. Patrick was arrested, but hasn't been convicted, I'll speak on him when the facts are known. Until then, I'll say innocent until proven guilty. We all know how corrupt the government is right now. Maybe they just wanted to silence him. Who knows. I don't approve of any kind of theft by anyone FYI but I'm also not a false accuser. Any one that is concerned with the SatPulse pieces, don't be, because Patrick never had access to keys.

I've spent the last couple decades promoting real wealth and putting gold, silver and bitcoin in peoples pockets. Yes, I got paid for it and I'm sure they are better off then they were.

Collect and say what you want, but Caribbean Treasures is the best entry pieces in the market today. They are the only pieces I know of that are being traded for goods and services. peer to peer. From $25 fully funded brass and silver pieces all the way up in denominations of 5g gold. When I'm done, they will create the largest bartering system of any territory in the world. What have you done for the hobby except twist words and spread falsehoods? No one is getting screwed. I'm simply giving people what I wish I had when I started, a silver and gold barter system with blockchain access. No matter if my bank or governments ban or block me, i can still transact amongst my peers. Hints freedom tools.

I'm glad I can live in your mind for free though, didn't you post something similar yesterday? Get a life!

I'm sure when my table is prepared in front of you, you'll accuse me of stealing the sterling forks, poisoning the drinks and that I touched you inappropriately too. Actually, you'll probably just buy one of my 10g piece for $350. haha that would be ironic.

okay kidding aside. The "word" talks about your behavior.

1 Peter 3:16
Having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.

Exodus 20:16
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Exodus 23:1
“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

I will pray you find peace and that you heal any of the wounds that are unhealed.

I will say this - I am about 99.9% sure that CT had nothing to do with Patrick's theft - the people that were stolen from were a group of people Patrick helped set up wallets and such for. He made those keys.

CT's involvement with Patrick was the key generation and assembly of the Satpulse coins only - that is my understanding.