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legendary
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March 09, 2020, 04:59:53 PM
#46
The highest tax payers are elite, let's name them like that, and elite always work together with government. To be clear on one thing government is just like a company, with clear structure, and with one more important thing "guns". Who run the government has the access to huge amounts of money, teritory and many other assets, the thing with government is that every 4 years (in most countries, in some it's less in others it's forever) we have a change in many boards, comisions and all that stuff that decide how will assets be use and where.
In history you have periods and places where elites from both sectors worked for the benefit of the people too, rare cases I think. In the past we have many more cases where these two worked just for their own benefit, and that is what brings us here. In most countries today tax money is being stolen by rich class and government officials, in some tax money is being used for the benefit of entire nation.
We need to pay taxes, and it's ok to pay taxes, but that money (OUR MONEY) should be used for good things, for our own benefits, not for buying guns and making wars with other nations, not for making rich people even richer. So what we need is a fair system and what else can help us than decentralization, where each of us can have a voice, you don't need to be rich or to be a president, but if something is from public interest you should have a voice and possibility to see what is being done with your money.

Don't use your right to vote in elections just because have to elect the candidates. Our votes are useful in voicing our interests, so we must choose honest and credible representatives whose totality fights for the interests of the people and not for personal or group interests. Millennial generation must be critical and also capable in politics. So that when our representatives work, they can issue policies that support the livelihoods of the people.

In addition, as individuals, we must be critical and closely monitoring the taxation process, and ensure the government uses the tax for the right allocation. Especially to support the construction of public facilities, such as transportation infrastructure, health facilities, and infrastructure as well as promoting education. And this is only possible if we have clean representatives in the government.

sr. member
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March 07, 2020, 01:27:21 PM
#45
You’re referring to the past and I guess the mentality we have now and then isn’t the same. And moreover you didn’t even mention what country it was. And there’s something else you said about only the rich being taxed.

These days people are so greedy and they want to stash up lots of money and not give, because they don’t think that it’s worth giving, they just want to be the ones that are taking and nothing else, they don’t want to give out their money. Lol imagine giving the rich person a road and such projects to work on lol, they will feel you’re giving them extra expenses. Well, I do know that there are some of them that are good.
jr. member
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March 06, 2020, 04:19:26 AM
#44
Making taxes exceptional isn't a good alternative for the current period. Who will pay it in this case? 
legendary
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March 05, 2020, 08:21:17 AM
#43
The highest tax payers are elite, let's name them like that, and elite always work together with government. To be clear on one thing government is just like a company, with clear structure, and with one more important thing "guns". Who run the government has the access to huge amounts of money, teritory and many other assets, the thing with government is that every 4 years (in most countries, in some it's less in others it's forever) we have a change in many boards, comisions and all that stuff that decide how will assets be use and where.
In history you have periods and places where elites from both sectors worked for the benefit of the people too, rare cases I think. In the past we have many more cases where these two worked just for their own benefit, and that is what brings us here. In most countries today tax money is being stolen by rich class and government officials, in some tax money is being used for the benefit of entire nation.
We need to pay taxes, and it's ok to pay taxes, but that money (OUR MONEY) should be used for good things, for our own benefits, not for buying guns and making wars with other nations, not for making rich people even richer. So what we need is a fair system and what else can help us than decentralization, where each of us can have a voice, you don't need to be rich or to be a president, but if something is from public interest you should have a voice and possibility to see what is being done with your money.
full member
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March 05, 2020, 07:53:12 AM
#42
it was a nice read tho.  i like the idea of honoring big time tax payer , in that way people are encourage to pay thier taxes but now i dont heard of such system , this was also the reason on why people are refusing to pay thier tax but there was a law about it that you will be fined if you evade your tax .

whats worst right now is that not only rich people are paying taxed but almost all people now pays a tax  . rich or poor , that could be in a form when you work , run a business , buy something , etc .
member
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March 05, 2020, 07:38:41 AM
#41
I read this post on Instagram , was more of a fact page , they talked about the tax system in the old periods .
One such country astounded me , the system was simple yet effective.
So at the end of the month or the year , only the richest people were supposed to pay taxes and it was considered a big honor , then the highest tax payer was awarded in a way where he was supposed to do something good for the community , like Making road or something .
Firstly I do not take credit for the post but I do think ,this system was rather effective , how did it come to this.
People actually thought of it as a rewarding system instead of escaping from it .
Do you think it was fair ?
Do you think the government needs to look back and search for alternatives , for the loop holes ? Taking some inspiration from the past.

(Unfortunately I wasn't able to find the specific site giving information about it please post the link below if you are lucky enough to find it )

I think this system is not fair because the richest person will take advantage of this system. And of course its depend on the government if they are corrupt the taxes will get high too and the poor people are the most victims of this kind of system.
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March 05, 2020, 05:20:07 AM
#40
Honestly, I have never heard of such a society. Speaking of taxes, I think that they should be progressive and organized in such a way that the poor do not pay anything, and the rich pay a little more, but their money covers the shortcomings of the poor.

The state is simply obliged to collect taxes from its citizens. But taxes must remain fair. I believe that those who have more income should also pay more taxes than the poor. And if they want their good deeds to be noticed, they could spend some of their money on charity.
I still tend to the fact that people who receive little should not pay taxes at all.

As an example: We have 10 people, let the income tax be 10%. 9 of them receive $ 500 per month, and one receives $ 10,000 per month. Total treasury from them collects $ 1450 per month. But at the same time, the same amount can be obtained if the first nine people do not pay anything, and the latter will pay instead of 10% only 14.5% of the tax.

In a normal country, such situations should also be provided for. And if a person's income is less than the subsistence minimum, then their salary should not be taxed. In such cases, the person on the contrary should receive an allowance from the government.

as in my country there is an income limit that is not subject to annual tax. even then it is still reduced by non-taxable income in accordance with the number of dependents, with the magnitude of each different variable. if the income after deducting the income is not subject to tax under the provisions, then the person is tax exempt, but must still report
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March 04, 2020, 01:50:15 PM
#39

In a normal country, such situations should also be provided for. And if a person's income is less than the subsistence minimum, then their salary should not be taxed. In such cases, the person on the contrary should receive an allowance from the government.

This is one of the ideas having already been discussed for the number of years "guaranteed income", which will be funded from so called "robot-tax" (same source of funding will be used for pension scheme).

legendary
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To the Moon
March 04, 2020, 05:00:00 AM
#38
Honestly, I have never heard of such a society. Speaking of taxes, I think that they should be progressive and organized in such a way that the poor do not pay anything, and the rich pay a little more, but their money covers the shortcomings of the poor.

The state is simply obliged to collect taxes from its citizens. But taxes must remain fair. I believe that those who have more income should also pay more taxes than the poor. And if they want their good deeds to be noticed, they could spend some of their money on charity.
I still tend to the fact that people who receive little should not pay taxes at all.

As an example: We have 10 people, let the income tax be 10%. 9 of them receive $ 500 per month, and one receives $ 10,000 per month. Total treasury from them collects $ 1450 per month. But at the same time, the same amount can be obtained if the first nine people do not pay anything, and the latter will pay instead of 10% only 14.5% of the tax.

In a normal country, such situations should also be provided for. And if a person's income is less than the subsistence minimum, then their salary should not be taxed. In such cases, the person on the contrary should receive an allowance from the government.
legendary
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March 03, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
#37
There have always been varying political factions. At times of war maybe it could have been the only time nationalist sentiments were so strong that paying taxes might have been considered patriotic and therefore honored. But for any other time, I think that anyone would rather NOT pay taxes and would turn a blind eye for their neighbor finding ways to do so.
hero member
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March 03, 2020, 04:57:00 PM
#36
Honestly, I have never heard of such a society. Speaking of taxes, I think that they should be progressive and organized in such a way that the poor do not pay anything, and the rich pay a little more, but their money covers the shortcomings of the poor.

The state is simply obliged to collect taxes from its citizens. But taxes must remain fair. I believe that those who have more income should also pay more taxes than the poor. And if they want their good deeds to be noticed, they could spend some of their money on charity.
I still tend to the fact that people who receive little should not pay taxes at all.

As an example: We have 10 people, let the income tax be 10%. 9 of them receive $ 500 per month, and one receives $ 10,000 per month. Total treasury from them collects $ 1450 per month. But at the same time, the same amount can be obtained if the first nine people do not pay anything, and the latter will pay instead of 10% only 14.5% of the tax.
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
March 03, 2020, 12:49:34 PM
#35
Honestly, I have never heard of such a society. Speaking of taxes, I think that they should be progressive and organized in such a way that the poor do not pay anything, and the rich pay a little more, but their money covers the shortcomings of the poor.
In addition to that, it is really unfortunate that poor are always paying  a high value of taxes and some of them cannot even pay because their financial  income are really weak compared to the rich people, some laws must be changed in most of countries especially the poorest in my opinion. Furthermore, the value of taxes in general are unacceptable, I don't know why the governments want to exploit their citizens in all the ways.

I think this is just an old tradition from old time, now they have learned the art of helicopter money since 2008, it brings income much faster than tax collecting, time to change the system
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March 03, 2020, 12:07:02 PM
#34
Honestly, I have never heard of such a society. Speaking of taxes, I think that they should be progressive and organized in such a way that the poor do not pay anything, and the rich pay a little more, but their money covers the shortcomings of the poor.
In addition to that, it is really unfortunate that poor are always paying  a high value of taxes and some of them cannot even pay because their financial  income are really weak compared to the rich people, some laws must be changed in most of countries especially the poorest in my opinion. Furthermore, the value of taxes in general are unacceptable, I don't know why the governments want to exploit their citizens in all the ways.
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
March 03, 2020, 11:54:24 AM
#33

If the state replaces taxes with printing new money, it will lead to very high inflation. And then the little money that the poor have will cost nothing at all, and it will be impossible to buy anything for it. Therefore, taxes should be paid depending on the amount of income : the poor - less, the rich - more.

There won't be any inflation, as evidenced by QE123, so much money printed, almost no inflation. Government has spent trillions through QE123, but you can check their tax income, a very small fraction of that. So, the government might get 10% less income without tax income, but that is not the end of the world
legendary
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March 03, 2020, 11:14:02 AM
#32

The state is simply obliged to collect taxes from its citizens. But taxes must remain fair. I believe that those who have more income should also pay more taxes than the poor. And if they want their good deeds to be noticed, they could spend some of their money on charity.

Why should state obliged to collect taxes from its citizens today, when they get much more by printing money?

I think it should work like this: Print a lot of money, give a little to poor people so that they can live a good life, and do not give any to rich people. And totally remove the concept of tax

Tax is a very old concept when in old time, government does not know how to print money and only use gold as money, and they have to get some money to build the defense of the country and other infrastructure. But today, with crazy money injection every month, the tax income of the state becomes neglectable, all the government spends are financed through newly printed money, not tax

If the state replaces taxes with printing new money, it will lead to very high inflation. And then the little money that the poor have will cost nothing at all, and it will be impossible to buy anything for it. Therefore, taxes should be paid depending on the amount of income : the poor - less, the rich - more.
sr. member
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March 03, 2020, 10:21:06 AM
#31
I really doubt whether handing out rewards would do the job. The main problem for tax payers now is that a section of the UHNW individuals are able to find loopholes and avoid paying their dues, while an uneven burden falls on the shoulder of the remaining people. Also, many of them are not comfortable in the tax money being used to wage wars and other wasteful expenses.
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
March 03, 2020, 10:10:38 AM
#30

The state is simply obliged to collect taxes from its citizens. But taxes must remain fair. I believe that those who have more income should also pay more taxes than the poor. And if they want their good deeds to be noticed, they could spend some of their money on charity.

Why should state obliged to collect taxes from its citizens today, when they get much more by printing money?

I think it should work like this: Print a lot of money, give a little to poor people so that they can live a good life, and do not give any to rich people. And totally remove the concept of tax

Tax is a very old concept when in old time, government does not know how to print money and only use gold as money, and they have to get some money to build the defense of the country and other infrastructure. But today, with crazy money injection every month, the tax income of the state becomes neglectable, all the government spends are financed through newly printed money, not tax
legendary
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To the Moon
March 03, 2020, 08:16:46 AM
#29
Honestly, I have never heard of such a society. Speaking of taxes, I think that they should be progressive and organized in such a way that the poor do not pay anything, and the rich pay a little more, but their money covers the shortcomings of the poor.

The state is simply obliged to collect taxes from its citizens. But taxes must remain fair. I believe that those who have more income should also pay more taxes than the poor. And if they want their good deeds to be noticed, they could spend some of their money on charity.
hero member
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March 03, 2020, 07:07:09 AM
#28
Honestly, I have never heard of such a society. Speaking of taxes, I think that they should be progressive and organized in such a way that the poor do not pay anything, and the rich pay a little more, but their money covers the shortcomings of the poor.
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
March 03, 2020, 06:39:13 AM
#27
 I don't understand the logic behind todays tax system: Tax income is magnitudes lower than the newly created money that governement can borrow, so why hire lots of people just to tax people and get neglectable income?

Take QE for example, money supply increased by 500%, equal to that every one is taxed by 500%, but for majority low income people, the tax is maybe less than 10%
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