Topic: In the past where taxes were honoured ~ - page 2. (Read 298 times)

I don't agree with this as I never know what happens inside the government but somehow it does make sense to me. I've been living for more than 2 decades and the roads are still what it is as when I was a child, no progress no new and makes me wonder where did a lot of money go? Maybe the tax system is never fair or we are just focusing on what is near to us and do not think of the other places and what does it cost for society projects. Billions are effective and billions are on waste, agree?

I just realized that we may meet blockchain tax system where govs is controlling how to spend those money, but can't really withdraw it - they can only be spend on community's needs.
I know there is a similar system at the moment, but it goes same as with elections - we already have working system, but its just too bad

The government will spend $12b on roads, schools, healthcare, this government will an extra $xxx billions in this an that. It's the news we all read every day, but the truth is that it's not their money, it's the money from the people who pay taxes and bills, it's our money.
What they do with all that money, they take half for them and the other half is for all others. The tax system was never fair, the rich are getting richer since ever. We can just hope that crypto can change that, we are all equal and some things should be equal for all!

Maybe what you are saying worked in a kingdom having few thousands population but not at all possible in modern economy. In my country more than 1.5 billion people live, do you think government can even pick individuals and provide them recognition? I don't think attention-seeking generation of today will do anything of that sort if not getting enough attention.

Also modern countries are not run for kings, these are run by leaders from political parties who are mostly hated by people. No matter with what intention they deliver something, people will always hate them for no reason. For example, in my country Prime Minister requested rich section to giveaway their LPG cylinder subsidy. The amount saved from such subsidy would then be used to provide free gas to 'below-poverty class'. Guess what? In the country of 1.5 billion population, only 700K people gaveaway subsidy. There is no harmony left among people.

However, Income Tax Department here in India is trying to create some incentives for tax payer. Based on the amount of tax payed, tax payers are getting some recognition. Even I received Silver Certificate for my tax contribution. However, I cannot flaunt that on my social media else it will guarantee burglary at my place. In short, honor comes with risk in modern times.

Tax is a burden imposed by the government, which is collected as a necessity and used to cover the general government budget, fulfill economic, social, political, and other objectives set by the state. And It's different with zakat.

The pros and cons of tax problems always occur in each generation. In examining this condition, the analogy is very simple. Taxes are government policies and obligations of all citizens. As citizens, we must comply with state regulations. For those who are against tax, the choice is legal sanctions by the state. Therefore, do not become passive citizens, because we have been forced to pay taxes, so let us actively and critically monitor the allocation of tax used by the government so that it is right on target and effective for the interests of citizens.

Well, perhaps you are right.
Today's tax system is different. The rich won't consider paying taxes as am honor anymore, --Why? Because they already knew where do their taxes go and that is another story. The rich people of today are wiser than before. That is the reality, --Why? Rich people today know how to play with taxes already. They know that laws had loopholes they can take advantage of. Mostly, the government officials are the ones who are helping them as well and in exchange, the officials will be paid in private. Directly to their pockets.
Indeed, tax Lawyers are meant to exist, as well. This is my personal opinion and I hope this makes sense.

In the past, due to the religious reasons and ethics based on them, the rich had the moral obligation to help poorer ones. "The more wealth I have, the more people I could help". So then beside paying taxes, they had been founding churches, hospitals, bridges, universities, sometimes feeding poor etc.

As a result, their reputation had been increasing among other living, and stayed in the history - as the buildings or institutions had often been named after the founder.

Half? No, they will not be asking half of someone's income or profit. They may do some double taxation to some but they have their reasons, and they are not asking for half of it but just a percentage of it. Taxation is based on the people's ability to tax, you should always keep that in mind.

Well, in history, people get slaughtered because they refuse to pay Zakat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat#Failure_to_pay

It's obligatory by the way,

Source: https://www.saudiembassy.net/five-pillars-islam

Kindly go to Politics and Society board if you want to discuss more about this.

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There are two sides of human, x and y, push and pull, good and evil, yin and yang, etc., you cannot embrace one side and completely neglect the other. Some people want to feel good/right by voluntarily paying taxes, however, some will not.

The history of taxes is related to money and conflict between classes. Initially, taxes were optional, and then they were imposed "more fairly", but unfortunately the main target of them were the rich and those who were not happy with the old system.
Taxes are currently imposed on idiots or those who do not know how to use the tax system in order to pay the least amount possible "by legal means." Those who want to pay taxes happily without caring about how to reduce them.

If all the tax money has been used for the development of people and country or any other good things then people will pay the right amount of tax by themselves but when government ask half of the hard earned money as form of tax then no one will be ready to give it.

if we trace indeed between zakat and tax have the same goal, namely to prosper others, and help our brothers in need. it's just that the system used is different, taxes are coercive, if they don't obey they get a fine, but if taxes grow from the heart

It's pretty easy to hide the amount of wealth one owns tbh. And if there were an insider inside the governing system, it makes hiding it a whole lot more easier. Even if we do say reference from the expenditure of the household, they could easily say that THAT was the last of the savings their household has. The system of the past was effective because it was OF THE PAST.

Do note that things have changed because of man kind's intelligence, and if we were to apply the same tax rules as of the past, the intelligence of man would prove to be worthy of its reputation and easily bypass any kind of law they would want. Especially if there are a few like-minded individuals both inside and outside the governing system.

I think there is a lot to break down in what you've just wrote.

I can't think of any system off the top of my head where people were rewarded, socially, for providing the most to government, at least in the modern era. If someone is able to find something like this, I'd love to read into it a bit.

Taxes are honored as of right now. Honored, in my view of the word, simply means paying all that is owed of you. Whatever the current law of the land is in regards to what you have to pay is that you pay. And that's what most Americans and most rich people do. I would never want to pay a penny more then what I have to pay someone, and it shouldn't be expected that I go above and beyond for some reason.

Also, when people talk of something like loopholes I truly laugh. Loopholes aren't something that are abused by the rich, poor, middle class, etc -- they're created and the IRS knows about them and they're fine with how the law is interpreted as of right now. If you ever see someone going about the tax code in a way that the IRS doesn't agree with, or doesn't feel is proper, they're going to start litigation against them and the law will decide what is the correct interpretation.

So yeah, that's my little rant about taxes.

If this would be true, I think that every society around the globe would be much better than what it is now. This would be like a dream, wherein the wealthy are giving and sharing to the community from what they have and doesn't become angry about it but, instead it is their glory and achievement. This would possibly solve the hunger and would help a lot of family. But, I don't exclude the rich people these days that are donating to charities and foundation, leaving out their selfishness and truly help others, I just hope their would be more people like them.

In addition, relating to crypto currency, there are topics like it here that says " the new age of charities and donations are through crypto currency wherein it is highly possible these days as the world changes overtime for the betterment of the society and the digitalization of these kind of transactions.

Well it could be effective before, but in the modern era, it will be very different. And I don't think that those rich people are going to do that today. Yes there are loopholes in the current tax system around the world, and the rich and taking advantage of it, to the point of not paying taxes. I think it still boils down to the government implementation and how hard they going to work to run after those not paying their taxes.

Taxes were collected way differently 200 years then now. Also sources where they come from. It will be same in the future. Governments will tax whatever they can control and tax easily. I really dont understand people that are saying that governments will never adopt cryptocurrencies, because it will make them problems with collecting taxes. They will solve that easily.

I never heard of it, but my guess is it's a voluntaryism utopia. Or if it's real, then it must involve some God/belief. I think the old Jewish and Arab communities have tithe or zakat. These kinds of donations could be considered as tax.

I think that the main thing is not how many taxes you pay to the state, but how many useful things you have done. Your useful deeds - this is a contribution to the wealth of your country. Therefore, large taxes must be paid by those who did useless things (for example, speculating in finances), and not those who simply earn a lot. For example, there are people who really do useful things for society as a whole and at the same time their company makes a lot of money.

Well, we all know that the purpose of taxation is not just for the people development but for a lot of other things too like supporting the other powers of the state. It is true though that there are these politicians that take advantage but there are also these tax payers that do that too. Since most tax payers do the calculation of the tax they will be paying, isn't it favorable for them?