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Quote from: Thirdspace on June 19, 2019, 07:57:42 PM

imo, posting someone's infographic shouldn't be regarded as stealing or plagiarism
though adding the source and give credits to the creator would be best practice
I agree with CryptopreneurBrainboss on watermarking the image,
most of infographic images (should) have watermark or creator name on it
if the poster deliberately remove that and/or claim it as his own, then we can call it stealing

Watermarking most often i just plain ugly and ruins the graphic for everyone. This is not acceptable in academeic community nor should be normal in other communities, a reference is enough.

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imo, posting someone's infographic shouldn't be regarded as stealing or plagiarism
though adding the source and give credits to the creator would be best practice
I agree with CryptopreneurBrainboss on watermarking the image,
most of infographic images (should) have watermark or creator name on it
if the poster deliberately remove that and/or claim it as his own, then we can call it stealing

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As someone who have made my share of graphics on this forum, I believe that it is okay to use the Infographic if its
1. With a source
and
2. is contributing to the discussion and the person who posts it have something to say about the topic. And it is complete cool of the person is using it as argument to the discussion.

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Technically posting someone elses photos or infographics are not in breach of copyright on bitcointalk. (KEYWORDS: on bitcointalk) The images are hosted on an external server not in control of this website. If there is a breach of copyright it is with the image host and the person who posted it. Bitcointalk only links to the image. In most jurisdictions linking to an image does not result in breach of copyright.

I've previously discussed that here

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Quote from: naska21 on May 27, 2019, 06:46:57 AM

But does that apply to translated articles?

I am not a mod, so I can only give you my opinion.

As you say, in any reputable scientific journal, a simple translation would be plagiarism and wouldn't even being considered for publication. This is discussion forum though, not a scientific publication, and the same rules don't apply. As long as there is clear attribution to the author and a link to the original, I think that's ok. At least translating content (properly translating, not using machine translating) requires a bit of effort. There is certainly a place for translated content, but I will concede that the majority of these translated threads seem to fishing for merit.

Quote from: tmfp on May 27, 2019, 07:45:05 AM

So what is the default assumption then? That if something is not attributed then its reproduction in any context is an attempt to do this? I think that's too simplistic.

I concede you are probably right here, and I'm being over zealous. As discussed above, in a professional capacity I'm used to everything requiring full attribution, from a graph to a photo to a single statistic, but those rules are too strict to apply to the forum. It just doesn't sit right with me using someone else's content without at least mentioning their name.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on May 26, 2019, 07:48:31 AM

What's next? Banning people for memes?

No, but there is a difference between using a random picture or meme like in your example, and posting someone else's infographic without a source. Something like this (https://thumbnails-visually.netdna-ssl.com/bitcoin-infographic_5029189c9cbaf_w1500.jpg) contains far more information and took far longer to produce than most of the content which is plagiarized around here. I'd argue trying to pass off something like this as your own is a far greater offense than the usual "Great project can't wait for it to go to the moon" plagiarism, and the latter does result in a ban.

I've used infographics occasionally to illustrate a point I'm making within a thread and would say that it's up to the compiler/author of the graphic to include their signature/attribution (as they have in your example) if they want to ensure being credited for it.
Also, of course, quite often the infographic's linking text is itself plagiarised (as in your example.)
The key condition imo is whether or not the motivation for using it is to "pass it off as your own", i.e. to gain some advantage, like reputation or credibility enhancement, by omitting to mention that you are not the creator. So what is the default assumption then? That if something is not attributed then its reproduction in any context is an attempt to do this? I think that's too simplistic.
What are we to think of hilari's meme? Do we see it as just an amusing way of sharpening a point by using a publicly available image, or are we to think that he's a good meme creator because, as he didn't provide a link to the image source, he must have created it himself?

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on May 25, 2019, 03:06:33 PM

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Simply copy and pasting someone else's work, adding nothing of your own, and slapping a reference link on the bottom, whilst not plagiarism is pretty low behavior my opinion.

Good point and I'm all for it. But does that apply to translated articles? I see bunch of them in Russian section, clear translation from various sources ( of course with relevant links), nothing added, I'm scientist and among my colleges that is considered as plagiarism with no excuse.

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In my own opinion stealing inforgraphics is still considered a crime and punishable. It is a discretion of the admin to ban users in this kind of stealing. It is still known that admin bans only users that has been copying and pasting a posts or thread in bitcointalk.org or any source that has not been acknowledge. Clearly if one will going to chose between the two kind of stealing then copy and pasting words of others is a clearer violation than infographics. It may be harder to prove that a certain infographic was being copied and paste in the forum. Probably in the near future admins will going to cater this kind of violation and probably all users will be advised for this to avoid in getting ban in the future.

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What about ANN and Bounty threads in that case? I am pretty sure that there are a few users who originally created a few templates and designs and these designs are being used by many projects promoting their own ICOs. I don't feel like going into the bounty zone to look for examples but I think you get the point.

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If you copy an infographic without any credit, then that seems to be a clear case of plagiarism. The same applies to images, although many images have been released into the public domain. Even if an image contains a water mark, you should still check to see if its use is allowed. Cutting out a watermark can create a plagiarism accusation.

I created a couple of image hosting sites - Jazz Pics and Mobile Img, and I have stated that images can be used freely provided that the watermark is not removed. Always check the site for usage permissions.

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Quote from: Lauda on May 26, 2019, 12:34:05 PM

The source is the link included in the "[img'][/img']" tags, don't be stupid and annoying. Thanks.

Does that also apply if I download an image, upload it on imgur and copy the bbcode, will the source indicated be from my account or the original one?

In most cases the original source is not the actual source which makes it complicated to track down plagiarism or define it even.
If it's an infographic created by a member in the forum and posted here, it is courteous to reference the owner when using it here on the forum. But putting any strict punishment would have to cover a much wide scope and we'll have much more ban appeal discussions.

Who says you didn't find it on imgur to begin with? The link is the source. End of story.

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Quote from: Lauda on May 26, 2019, 12:34:05 PM

The source is the link included in the "[img'][/img']" tags, don't be stupid and annoying. Thanks.

Does that also apply if I download an image, upload it on imgur and copy the bbcode, will the source indicated be from my account or the original one?

In most cases the original source is not the actual source which makes it complicated to track down plagiarism or define it even.
If it's an infographic created by a member in the forum and posted here, it is courteous to reference the owner when using it here on the forum. But putting any strict punishment would have to cover a much wide scope and we'll have much more ban appeal discussions.

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The source is the link included in the "[img'][/img']" tags, don't be stupid and annoying. Thanks.

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Quote from: akamit on May 25, 2019, 03:29:25 PM

Plagiarism.org Go to the site to learn more about plagiarism.

It is comprehensive contents, but is not relevant here. In the forum, we should notice that definitions, rules, and punishments on plagiarism are flexible, or some kind of a bit different from the official definition of plagiarism. theymos, actually has his own approach to treat forum users whom plagiarised. In my opinion, it is the most appropriate to read what theymos's statements on plagiarism in the forum, as well as global moderators or forum staffs on this issue.
So, why not visit my topic, and get them? (Maybe, I missed some of them, and have not fully collected all posts on plagiarism made by admins, global moderators, or staffs; but I think from what I already collected, it is good enough to have overview on plagiarsim in the forum).
[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism
Beyond my topic, you can also get newest posts of theymos here: theymosisms - A collection of posts for reference

I know the forum rules for plagiarism - I didn't have anything to say about that. Theymos, mods can create their own rules for the forum. I also read your topic a few days ago.

What I wanted to point out by linking the link was about the DOs & Don'ts and how plagiarism work. Peoples need comprehensive content to learn something deeply to gain deep knowledge.

Let's say, someone plagiarized and got forum banned according to forum rule, but what if the original creator of the content also put a Lawsuit against the plagiarist?
So imo peoples should also know the punishments available for them outside the forum if found which can spoil anyone's life forever. Plagiarism/Copyright infringement is a fucking hell crime.

Frankly speaking, after knowing the punishment from plagiarism.org, now I can say Theymos/Mods punishment is nothing for the plagiarist. Though I was questioning a few days ago why so STRICT punishment.

That's what my previous post for.

I'd be happy if you put the link in your topic so that newcomers can have deep knowledge about plagiarism.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on May 26, 2019, 08:43:53 AM

No, but there is a difference between using a random picture or meme like in your example, and posting someone else's infographic without a source.

But they all can be categorize as image right? yes of course. so if you are to punish a user for posting a "infographic image without source" then you should punished those who post meme, and other images, picture etc without link to source too which just sounds funny to my hearing. Like I said before if this images have been edited, removing creators identification like watermark, name etc and posting it as theirs (i.e claiming ownership of the infographic image with their own name, watermark etc when posting), then we can consider those cases as plagiarism but for an infographic image like every other images just been shared I see no problem with that since such act doesnt present itself as claiming ownership of the infographic image as plagiarism posts does.

The creators of each infographic image should add a watermark to their image so we can easily identify who the owners are when we see them. But if they don't then don't blame the sharer for not linking a source, we shouldn't distract ourselves now, the crime here is plagiarized post/article these are what the shitposters are getting paid for not images.

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Quote from: El duderino_ on May 26, 2019, 05:56:33 AM

I'm also absolutely guilty of sharing something über bullish add the WO with a link provided, but I just don't do it else wear.... (sometimes its just important to know where and when as well....)

The WO thread is a world unto it's own with its own special rules, though, and I don't think that's unreasonable. There are no signatures in WO, so no one can be accused of doing it for financial gain.

Quote from: hilariousetc on May 26, 2019, 07:48:31 AM

What's next? Banning people for memes?

No, but there is a difference between using a random picture or meme like in your example, and posting someone else's infographic without a source. Something like this (https://thumbnails-visually.netdna-ssl.com/bitcoin-infographic_5029189c9cbaf_w1500.jpg) contains far more information and took far longer to produce than most of the content which is plagiarized around here. I'd argue trying to pass off something like this as your own is a far greater offense than the usual "Great project can't wait for it to go to the moon" plagiarism, and the latter does result in a ban.

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Things become complicated a bit with infographics. That comes from basic characteristics of infographics, that have two main components: graphics & texts.
- Graphics: It is obviously to judge if two infographics have identical graphic designs. The later published infographics mostly plagiarised ones.
- Texts: this one is more complicated, because the core ideas of infographics is turning already known documents into briefly phrases that will be presented on infographics. By summarizing from original documents, texts on infographics might be identical. However, the point is no one will actually do all texts in their infographics as 100% identical as of works from other people.

Personally, infographics should be considered as plagiarism if:
- Graphics stolen from other ones.
- More than 30 percent of texts presented on infographics are identical as of other infographics.
Sources of original documents from which infographic designers used should be credited to avoid plagiarsim.

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What's next? Banning people for memes? If someone just posts an infographic with no context then it's probably spam and should be removed, but if somebody writes an original post and uses infographics or pictures or memes to back up what they're writing then I don't see an issue with it. Sure, provide sources if you can but this is not something we should be looking to punish if they don't. The entire context matters here as well. Is all they're posting infographics? If so, probably a spammer, but if they're using someone else's image to make a point then I really don't see the big deal here. Again, give credit if you can but this really isn't on the same level as the plagiarism issue we have here.

Would you ban me for this post or is fair use/transformative enough:

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It should be the managers doing the casting and evaluating case by case.

That's a funny joke. Do you have any more? Have you had accounts banned personally? You only seem to pop up to complain about sig bans Roll Eyes

. The problem here for a long time has been campaign managers aren't doing their job properly if at all and hence why we have such a huge problem with spam in the first place. If every campaign manager here did an exemplary job then we would have little issue with spam in the first place.

Is that post bannable because I used an image I found on google? Should I spend time trying to track down the original owner to either source it properly or ask for permission to use it? If I had just posted the image then sure, pretty spammy, but not in context and used with the rest of the post to make a point.

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Quote from: r1s2g3 on May 25, 2019, 10:11:22 PM

Copy pasting for a sake of starting a discussion and adding your view is much different then the just copy paste image and put source link.
If forum allows this then their lot of user that just paste image/text and put source underneath. Mods always delete this post when reported.

Allowing these post will just flood bitcointalk from all kind of information from outside without any discussion happening in this forum.

But you will be always welcome to discuss the news/outside information if you really have to add something in it.

I agree, our local board is somehow half dead because of this kind of strategy, copy pasting, translating stuff that leaves a little room to a discussion. This kind of post does not stimulate readers to think and react since the sense of discussion is already killed there.

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on May 26, 2019, 05:56:16 AM

It’s not plagiarism per se since the source is added.

I think this is subjective (discussing about a starting thread post that copy paste the whole content and just leave a source link), bitcointalk is lenient with regards to plagiarism detection so this kind of action is not considered Plagiarism. But it is plagiarism outside Bitcointalk.
But factwise: it is plagiarism.

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All of the following are considered plagiarism:

turning in someone else's work as your own
copying words or ideas from someone else without giving credit
failing to put a quotation in quotation marks
giving incorrect information about the source of a quotation
changing words but copying the sentence structure of a source without giving credit
copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on "fair use" rules)

from the source given by one of the reply : https://www.plagiarism.org/article/what-is-plagiarism

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