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September 24, 2011, 04:25:08 PM
Actually, now that I look at that forum it seems the rules are kind of a joke. I see AyeYo being his typical self calling people idiots, etc.

Would you rather I found some eco-conservation forum for us to all debate? Obviously not. Honda automobiles are pretty neutral on the political spectrum, so it seems as good as any place to debate. Just sign up. I knew nothing of that forum until twenty minutes ago, and you don't see any hesitancy on my part. Get Freddie and whomever else you want over there. Put your ideas to a real test. Educate others beyond this forum about the benefits of your views.

Or should we assume that your hesitancy speaks volumes about your confidence in your ideas?
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September 24, 2011, 04:20:46 PM
Actually, now that I look at that forum it seems the rules are kind of a joke. I see AyeYo being his typical self calling people idiots, etc.
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September 24, 2011, 04:13:45 PM
Also, AyeYo will pretty much have to stop posting.

I've been posting there for five years, brah.  Tongue

Just keep in mind that those rules apply to you too, namely this one that you seem to have missed:


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PLEASE READ: Zero Tolerance Policy for Strawman Arguments

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If I see one, I'm going to delete it and dock points. I will not catch all of them but I'll try.

I'm sorry if this seems excessive, but I am really sick of wasting time/bandwidth/the health of my carpal tunnels by defending myself against wrongheaded assumptions that have been either deliberately or erroneously assigned to something I've written.


Everyone WILL be called out on dishonest debate and dodging questions.
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September 24, 2011, 04:12:01 PM
In fact, while you're at it, why don't you just copy/pasta the OP of this thread start a thread there.  We can see how this conversation unfolds with a large group of new people.


Even better ones would the global warming thread, US dollar thread, or the next 100 years thread.

Are you signed up over there? Same username?
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September 24, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
In fact, while you're at it, why don't you just copy/pasta the OP of this thread start a thread there.  We can see how this conversation unfolds with a large group of new people.

I didn't start this thread and completely disagree with the first post, why would I do that?

Just do as you wish over there. I just signed up. Same name.
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September 24, 2011, 04:08:55 PM
In fact, while you're at it, why don't you just copy/pasta the OP of this thread start a thread there.  We can see how this conversation unfolds with a large group of new people.

I didn't start this thread and completely disagree with the first post, why would I do that?
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September 24, 2011, 04:07:54 PM
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2. Intelligent Discussion - This forum is designed to give Honda-Tech users a chance to debate/discuss political matters in an intelligent and mature manner. Please refrain from "flaming" a user for their beliefs. There is a difference between expressing opinions and blatant "flaming"

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This is taken from the site guidelines and politics forum guidelines. Saying that I say absurd things is right out the window. Also, AyeYo will pretty much have to stop posting.

The way I look at it is like this, attack the ideas, not the person that holds them, the argument, not the man. That includes just saying "that idea is idiotic". It needs to be some kind of criticism which leads people to that conclusion, not simply stating the conclusion outright as if it were a fact.
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September 24, 2011, 04:07:03 PM
In fact, while you're at it, why don't you just copy/pasta the OP of this thread start a thread there.  We can see how this conversation unfolds with a large group of new people.


Even better ones would the global warming thread, US dollar thread, or the next 100 years thread.
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September 24, 2011, 04:05:32 PM
As I stated above, I'm not engaging in personal attacks. I will take your hesitancy to join the honda-tech forum as an indication that you are afraid to float your ideas in any environment other than here.

I'll make you a deal. If you stop the insults here, I'll join the forums there. I'll lay down some ground rules and if you agree to them, I'll join the forums. I'll take your hesitancy to agree to some basic rules as an indication that you know your arguments can't stand on their own merits.

How about, seeing as you joining is actually you doing yourself a favor by getting you out of this circle jerk and letting you express your opinions to fresh faces (not you doing him a favor like you're making it seem), you just join the damn forum and the strict (compared to this place) moderation will take care of any personal insults or dishonest debate.
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September 24, 2011, 04:04:47 PM
As I stated above, I'm not engaging in personal attacks. I will take your hesitancy to join the honda-tech forum as an indication that you are afraid to float your ideas in any environment other than here.

I'll make you a deal. If you stop the insults here, I'll join the forums there. I'll lay down some ground rules and if you agree to them, I'll join the forums. I'll take your hesitancy to agree to some basic rules as an indication that you know your arguments can't stand on their own merits.

We'll follow the rules of the honda-tech forum. I don't know what they are, but I'm willing to agree to their rules (nor yours) without even having read them.

But I'm willing to start fresh, and assume a clean slate over there.
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September 24, 2011, 04:03:44 PM
As I stated above, I'm not engaging in personal attacks. I will take your hesitancy to join the honda-tech forum as an indication that you are afraid to float your ideas in any environment other than here.

I'll make you a deal. If you stop the insults here, I'll join the forums there. I'll lay down some ground rules and if you agree to them, I'll join the forums. I'll take your hesitancy to agree to some basic rules as an indication that you know your arguments can't stand on their own merits.

We'll follow the rules of the honda-tech forum. I don't know what they are, but I'm willing to agree to their rules (nor yours) without even having read them.
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September 24, 2011, 04:01:34 PM
As I stated above, I'm not engaging in personal attacks. I will take your hesitancy to join the honda-tech forum as an indication that you are afraid to float your ideas in any environment other than here.

I'll make you a deal. If you stop the insults here, I'll join the forums there. I'll lay down some ground rules and if you agree to them, I'll join the forums. I'll take your hesitancy to agree to some basic rules as an indication that you know your arguments can't stand on their own merits.
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September 24, 2011, 03:59:58 PM
where politics are actually debated intelligently

I'm glad you at least realize that what you and FirstAscent are doing is anything but.

Obviously it was directed at responses like this one, which boils down to the childish, "I know you are, but what am I!"

That's a riot coming from you. You really have no sense of irony.

You can test this. Instead of seeking affirmation of your ideas on a forum where you expect agreement, go float your ideas to people walking out of a store. Or go to a public place and engage in random polls. Feel free to report back the results here - just be honest. Then tell me that my claim that your statements are absurd is false.

Better yet, I'd like to see him (and you as well) sign up over on Honda-tech, where politics are actually debated intelligently.  He can make a couple threads over there and we'll see what the (fairly representative of the US population, some wacko liberatrians included) crowd has to say about his idea.

http://honda-tech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=76

bitcoin2cash,

Join the above politics forum, and I will join it as well. Feel free to invite others who have participated in this thread. Hopefully, AyeYo will join in as well. You will then have the opportunity to show how immature AyeYo and I are to others.

We could just follow the same rules they follow. Why do we need to join a different forum just for you to stop engaging in personal attacks?

Because that forum has 30-40 active participants compared to this forum's 4-5.  It has more shades of gray than this tiny clusterfuck which consists of myself, firstascent, and hawker who all seem to share identical views, and you, atlas, moronshadow, and fred who all share identical nutty views.  It might as well be a 1v1 debate.

A change of venue will bring different shades of opinion into the mix.
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September 24, 2011, 03:56:46 PM
It seems that you would actually want to spread your ideas, no? Don't you want to move beyond the limited audience of this forum?
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September 24, 2011, 03:55:24 PM
You can test this. Instead of seeking affirmation of your ideas on a forum where you expect agreement, go float your ideas to people walking out of a store. Or go to a public place and engage in random polls. Feel free to report back the results here - just be honest. Then tell me that my claim that your statements are absurd is false.

Better yet, I'd like to see him (and you as well) sign up over on Honda-tech, where politics are actually debated intelligently.  He can make a couple threads over there and we'll see what the (fairly representative of the US population, some wacko liberatrians included) crowd has to say about his idea.

http://honda-tech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=76

bitcoin2cash,

Join the above politics forum, and I will join it as well. Feel free to invite others who have participated in this thread. Hopefully, AyeYo will join in as well. You will then have the opportunity to show how immature AyeYo and I are to others.

We could just follow the same rules they follow. Why do we need to join a different forum just for you to stop engaging in personal attacks?

As I stated above, I'm not engaging in personal attacks. I will take your hesitancy to join the honda-tech forum as an indication that you are afraid to float your ideas in any environment other than here.
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September 24, 2011, 03:53:09 PM
where politics are actually debated intelligently

I'm glad you at least realize that what you and FirstAscent are doing is anything but.

Obviously it was directed at responses like this one, which boils down to the childish, "I know you are, but what am I!"

That's a riot coming from you. You really have no sense of irony.

You can test this. Instead of seeking affirmation of your ideas on a forum where you expect agreement, go float your ideas to people walking out of a store. Or go to a public place and engage in random polls. Feel free to report back the results here - just be honest. Then tell me that my claim that your statements are absurd is false.

Better yet, I'd like to see him (and you as well) sign up over on Honda-tech, where politics are actually debated intelligently.  He can make a couple threads over there and we'll see what the (fairly representative of the US population, some wacko liberatrians included) crowd has to say about his idea.

http://honda-tech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=76

bitcoin2cash,

Join the above politics forum, and I will join it as well. Feel free to invite others who have participated in this thread. Hopefully, AyeYo will join in as well. You will then have the opportunity to show how immature AyeYo and I are to others.

We could just follow the same rules they follow. Why do we need to join a different forum just for you to stop engaging in personal attacks?
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September 24, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
where politics are actually debated intelligently

I'm glad you at least realize that what you and FirstAscent are doing is anything but.

Obviously it was directed at responses like this one, which boils down to the childish, "I know you are, but what am I!"
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September 24, 2011, 03:51:47 PM
You can test this. Instead of seeking affirmation of your ideas on a forum where you expect agreement, go float your ideas to people walking out of a store. Or go to a public place and engage in random polls. Feel free to report back the results here - just be honest. Then tell me that my claim that your statements are absurd is false.

Better yet, I'd like to see him (and you as well) sign up over on Honda-tech, where politics are actually debated intelligently.  He can make a couple threads over there and we'll see what the (fairly representative of the US population, some wacko liberatrians included) crowd has to say about his idea.

http://honda-tech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=76

bitcoin2cash,

Join the above politics forum, and I will join it as well. Feel free to invite others who have participated in this thread. Hopefully, AyeYo will join in as well. You will then have the opportunity to show how immature AyeYo and I are to others.
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Elder Crypto God
September 24, 2011, 03:50:47 PM
where politics are actually debated intelligently

I'm glad you at least realize that what you and FirstAscent are doing is anything but.
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September 24, 2011, 03:47:19 PM
So your idiotic statements remain idiotic.

but as usual, you usually post absurd ideas

This is the level of debate your side brings. It's no wonder that you have trouble understanding mature arguments.

By what metric do you qualify your arguments as mature (as you claim above)? Because many of us here do not feel your arguments are mature.
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