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How to mine bitcoin with a laptop ? I don't know anything about "MINE" LOL!

Thank you very much !

Don't bother mining with a laptop you will not earn a single satoshi from it. If you want to mine Bitcoins you need special hardware, Which requires lot of investments to actually make profit.(Mining should be done where electricity is cheaper.)

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How to mine bitcoin with a laptop ? I don't know anything about "MINE" LOL!

Thank you very much !

I would never mine with a laptop due the high risks of damaging it due to the increased temperatures (consider a laptop is more enclosed than a desktop).

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Where can I trust 100% toinvest mycoins for garentee payback
Please help me for that !
Sincere thanks !

You cannot 100% trust to someone for a safe payback. No free lunch exists in the world.
Instead you should try accept some degree of risk of losing your coins if you are really interested to Investments; otherwise, keep all of them in a secure wallet.

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Quote from: GreenStox on March 23, 2015, 06:40:10 AM

Quote from: deisik on March 23, 2015, 06:32:34 AM

It is not even a true front running, since front running involves some risk for the exchange. But when a market is tight, that is, where the difference between a lowest ask and highest bid is minimal (and cannot be less than that), you as an exchange can place your buy and sell orders before anyone else, and safely earn profits (in case of dogecoins two opposite trades will earn you 2% profit at present)...

That's just arbitrage then, thats no big deal, many people do it, and it's actually beneficiary because it provides liquidity and better prices for those who wish to sell/buy.
The whole purpose of traders is to provide better prices for commercial buyers or personal buyers.

You don't understand. There are many orders at these two price levels (bids and asks). For example, right now there are 7.83 BTC in sells at 0.00000051, and 40.21 BTC in buys at 0.00000050. There can be no price in between, I specifically mentioned that. If you are an exchange you can safely buy and sell at these levels (provided you place your orders before anyone else's pending orders at that price), since someone will surely buy from you or sell to you...

And at any moment you can close your position without taking losses

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Quote from: techgeek on March 11, 2015, 01:29:38 PM

Quote from: Berau on March 11, 2015, 01:30:55 AM

Insider trading is illegal and immoral, but it's probably the best way to generate a huge profit with minimal risk, if the guy you're talking to is a person you know and trust. Probably the best option to go for if you're trading altcoins etc., as there's lots of people on the dark net who can provide those kind of information.

regardless if its immoral or not, people do it lol

its called capitalism and those who can get away with it will do it over again.

Insider trading might be immoral but it is definately not illegal in all markets. Bitcoin and altcoin markets are not regulated and can thus not be under normal regulation regarding insider trading.

And because of that, some people who have some solid connections to the exchanges do this, generating themselves huge profits. I would admit that if I have that some kind of connection, I would sometimes do it for the sake of profit. Not being greedy or evil, but just being practical.

And to gain huge profits you even don't need insider information as such. It is enough to be able to place your bids and asks before anyone else in the order-book in a tight market like that of dogecoin. I've caught cryptsy doing just that (have snapshots of my orders being pushed further in the order queue)...

I don't trade there any longer

I can say that I've never experienced this. Not even once. And that includes Cryptsy and other sites. What you're probably experiencing is the server lag, which is entirely different.

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Quote from: deisik on March 23, 2015, 06:32:34 AM

It is not even a true front running, since front running involves some risk for the exchange. But when a market is tight, that is, where the difference between a lowest ask and highest bid is minimal (and cannot be less than that), you as an exchange can place your buy and sell orders before anyone else, and safely earn profits (in case of dogecoins two opposite trades will earn you 2% profit at present)...

That's just arbitrage then, thats no big deal, many people do it, and it's actually beneficiary because it provides liquidity and better prices for those who wish to sell/buy.
The whole purpose of traders is to provide better prices for commercial buyers or personal buyers.

I`m not familiar with their exchange model , are they market makers or just simple peer-to-peer exchange?

Quote from: deisik on March 23, 2015, 06:32:34 AM

There could be no slippage by any means. How can an order be executed at a different price other than what you set it at?

Sorry i was confusing it with CFD's. Are they peer-to-peer exchange right?

If yes then dont worry about slippage, it only exists in CFD markets. In P2P markets you set the price.

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Quote from: GreenStox on March 23, 2015, 06:23:54 AM

Quote from: deisik on March 23, 2015, 06:18:07 AM

What do you mean by slippage here? Actually, there are two options to explain this. The first is that they are pushing their own orders (or someone else's who is close to them) ahead of anyone else, or their trade engine is broken. I asked them about this issue. At first they pretended they didn't understand what I meant, but when I showed them screenshots, they had nothing left but to just ignore me...

Slippage is when the order is delayed and executed at a different price than it was set, due to the oveewhelming of their servers.

Although in your case i smell a scam alert, they could be a bucket shop like mt.gox , if this happense again i think you should open a thread about it, and expose their scammer asses so that people should be aware of this.

If they intentionally put the orders ahread of yours thats called front-running and it's the method that scammy exchanges use in many markets.

It is not even a true front running, since front running involves some risk for the exchange. But when a market is tight, that is, where the difference between a lowest ask and highest bid is minimal (and cannot be less than that), you as an exchange can place your buy and sell orders before anyone else, and safely earn profits (at present two opposite trades in dogecoins will earn you 2% of profit)...

There could be no slippage by any means. How can an order be executed at a price other than what you set it at?

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Quote from: deisik on March 23, 2015, 06:18:07 AM

What do you mean by slippage here? Actually, there are two options to explain this. The first is that they are pushing their own orders (or someone else's who is close to them) ahead of anyone else, or their trade engine is broken. I asked them about this issue. At first they pretended they didn't understand what I meant, but when I showed them screenshots, they had nothing left but to just ignore me...

Slippage is when the order is delayed and executed at a different price than it was set, due to the oveewhelming of their servers.

Although in your case i smell a scam alert, they could be a bucket shop like mt.gox , if this happense again i think you should open a thread about it, and expose their scammer asses so that people should be aware of this.

If they intentionally put the orders ahread of yours thats called front-running and it's the method that scammy exchanges use in many markets.

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Quote from: GreenStox on March 23, 2015, 06:13:05 AM

Quote from: deisik on March 23, 2015, 06:09:05 AM

And to gain huge profits you even don't need insider information as such. It is enough to be able to place your bids and asks before anyone else in the order-book in a tight market like that of dogecoin. I've caught cryptsy doing just that (have snapshots of my orders being pushed further in the order queue)...

I don't trade there any longer

That could be only a slippage, probably not intentional.

If it's intentional though then they are then a bucket shop and probably not good to trade with them.

What do you mean by slippage here? Actually, there are two options to explain this. The first is that they are pushing their own orders (or someone else's who is close to them) ahead of anyone else, or their trade engine is broken. I asked them about this issue. At first they pretended they didn't understand what I meant, but when I showed them screenshots, they had nothing left but to just ignore me...

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Quote from: deisik on March 23, 2015, 06:09:05 AM

And to gain huge profits you even don't need insider information as such. It is enough to be able to place your bids and asks before anyone else in the order-book in a tight market like that of dogecoin. I've caught cryptsy doing just that (have snapshots of my orders being pushed further in the order queue)...

I don't trade there any longer

That could be only a slippage, probably not intentional.

If it's intentional though then they are then a bucket shop and probably not good to trade with them.

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Quote from: dothebeats on March 11, 2015, 02:02:37 PM

Quote from: Hfleer on March 11, 2015, 01:35:02 PM

Quote from: techgeek on March 11, 2015, 01:29:38 PM

Quote from: Berau on March 11, 2015, 01:30:55 AM

Insider trading is illegal and immoral, but it's probably the best way to generate a huge profit with minimal risk, if the guy you're talking to is a person you know and trust. Probably the best option to go for if you're trading altcoins etc., as there's lots of people on the dark net who can provide those kind of information.

regardless if its immoral or not, people do it lol

its called capitalism and those who can get away with it will do it over again.

Insider trading might be immoral but it is definately not illegal in all markets. Bitcoin and altcoin markets are not regulated and can thus not be under normal regulation regarding insider trading.

And because of that, some people who have some solid connections to the exchanges do this, generating themselves huge profits. I would admit that if I have that some kind of connection, I would sometimes do it for the sake of profit. Not being greedy or evil, but just being practical.

And to gain huge profits you even don't need insider information as such. It is enough to be able to place your bids and asks before anyone else in the order-book in a tight market like that of dogecoin. I've caught cryptsy doing just that (have snapshots of my orders being pushed further in the order queue)...

I don't trade there any longer

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Quote from: ranlo on March 22, 2015, 06:34:32 PM

Actually, the BIG winners are those that speculate. Those that say "x will be the next big thing" and bet big on it, watching it blow up. Places like MNST (Monster Energy Drinks), for example.

If you think like that then you are a gambler and know nothing of investments. It's never the "all in" guys that win, in fact most of them always lose.

It's obvious now that you know nothing about responsible trading/investment AND risk-control. I`ve traded a couple of years forex, and i saw guys losing there 100.000 dollars in minutes because they could not control their emotions, just like in a casino.

How many guys you see walking out of a casino with a smiling face? It's really misleading if you see 1 guy winning 50.000$ because he gambled it. So what? You never see the other 100 guys telling you how much they lose.

It's a false paradigm like the lottery. You see 1 guy winning millions of $, but you never see the many other million of guys losing every single bet for their entire life....

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Quote from: GreenStox on March 21, 2015, 02:37:27 PM

Quote from: Hfleer on March 21, 2015, 02:31:56 PM

That is just plain stupud. Investing a small amount first to see how it does is the reason that most ponzis get so successful. They do indeed give a payout on the small investments and bail with the big ones.

Intelligent investors will never invest in such shit in the first place and will invest in things with real businessplan and a proven trackrecord.

Assumptions..

Who said anything about ponzis here?

I was saying about any investment. From your own perspective it's always better to just put your finger in the boiling water than to jump in it.

Even if it says about itself that its a legit service you can never know who is a scammer, so by default investing small amounts in something is better than large amounts.

Intelligent investors dont throw around 26.000$ worth of BTC to unaccountable people, even if they promise the stars for them.

Dumb investors will put their entire life savings in a get-rich-quick scheme, and then cry about it later when they lose it all.

If you have a 5 M USD portfolio of cryptos that you want to invest into related businesses and services, then you won't go around doing 0.1 BTC investments...

Also anonymity doesn't equal unhonesty. bitmixer.io is basically the oldest existing mixer. Or would you argue that its risky to invest money at a site that dooglus manages?

Actually yes you do, because you didnt aquired that 5m $ portfolio by throwing around 26k $ on random investment sites. There are plenty of matrix sites and ponzi sites where you can throw around 26k and if you are lucky you might make some money, but thats gambling not investing.

A careful investor first puts his finger in the water to see if its boiling or not, and only then jump in it.

I`m not familiar with that mixer site or the owner, but this is just a general rule of thumb about investing, and its valid for any investment you make.

Actually, the BIG winners are those that speculate. Those that say "x will be the next big thing" and bet big on it, watching it blow up. Places like MNST (Monster Energy Drinks), for example.

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Quote from: Hfleer on March 21, 2015, 02:40:17 PM

Quote from: GreenStox on March 21, 2015, 02:37:27 PM

Quote from: Hfleer on March 21, 2015, 02:31:56 PM

That is just plain stupud. Investing a small amount first to see how it does is the reason that most ponzis get so successful. They do indeed give a payout on the small investments and bail with the big ones.

Intelligent investors will never invest in such shit in the first place and will invest in things with real businessplan and a proven trackrecord.

Assumptions..

Who said anything about ponzis here?

I was saying about any investment. From your own perspective it's always better to just put your finger in the boiling water than to jump in it.

Even if it says about itself that its a legit service you can never know who is a scammer, so by default investing small amounts in something is better than large amounts.

Intelligent investors dont throw around 26.000$ worth of BTC to unaccountable people, even if they promise the stars for them.

Dumb investors will put their entire life savings in a get-rich-quick scheme, and then cry about it later when they lose it all.

If you have a 5 M USD portfolio of cryptos that you want to invest into related businesses and services, then you won't go around doing 0.1 BTC investments...

Also anonymity doesn't equal unhonesty. bitmixer.io is basically the oldest existing mixer. Or would you argue that its risky to invest money at a site that dooglus manages?

Actually yes you do, because you didnt aquired that 5m $ portfolio by throwing around 26k $ on random investment sites. There are plenty of matrix sites and ponzi sites where you can throw around 26k and if you are lucky you might make some money, but thats gambling not investing.

A careful investor first puts his finger in the water to see if its boiling or not, and only then jump in it.

I`m not familiar with that mixer site or the owner, but this is just a general rule of thumb about investing, and its valid for any investment you make.

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Quote from: GreenStox on March 21, 2015, 02:37:27 PM

Quote from: Hfleer on March 21, 2015, 02:31:56 PM

That is just plain stupud. Investing a small amount first to see how it does is the reason that most ponzis get so successful. They do indeed give a payout on the small investments and bail with the big ones.

Intelligent investors will never invest in such shit in the first place and will invest in things with real businessplan and a proven trackrecord.

Assumptions..

Who said anything about ponzis here?

I was saying about any investment. From your own perspective it's always better to just put your finger in the boiling water than to jump in it.

Even if it says about itself that its a legit service you can never know who is a scammer, so by default investing small amounts in something is better than large amounts.

Intelligent investors dont throw around 26.000$ worth of BTC to unaccountable people, even if they promise the stars for them.

Dumb investors will put their entire life savings in a get-rich-quick scheme, and then cry about it later when they lose it all.

If you have a 5 M USD portfolio of cryptos that you want to invest into related businesses and services, then you won't go around doing 0.1 BTC investments...

Also anonymity doesn't equal unhonesty. bitmixer.io is basically the oldest existing mixer. Or would you argue that its risky to invest money at a site that dooglus manages?

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Quote from: Hfleer on March 21, 2015, 02:31:56 PM

That is just plain stupud. Investing a small amount first to see how it does is the reason that most ponzis get so successful. They do indeed give a payout on the small investments and bail with the big ones.

Intelligent investors will never invest in such shit in the first place and will invest in things with real businessplan and a proven trackrecord.

Assumptions..

Who said anything about ponzis here?

I was saying about any investment. From your own perspective it's always better to just put your finger in the boiling water than to jump in it.

Even if it says about itself that its a legit service you can never know who is a scammer, so by default investing small amounts in something is better than large amounts.

Intelligent investors dont throw around 26.000$ worth of BTC to unaccountable people, even if they promise the stars for them.

Dumb investors will put their entire life savings in a get-rich-quick scheme, and then cry about it later when they lose it all.

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Quote from: GreenStox on March 21, 2015, 02:28:06 PM

Quote from: Hfleer on March 21, 2015, 01:03:31 PM

Quote from: GreenStox on March 21, 2015, 01:01:02 PM

Quote from: Hfleer on March 21, 2015, 12:52:08 PM

The amount of investment is irrelevant to the chance of that person running away. I'd say for many things a higher investment makes it even unliklier that a person vanishes, because the amount of money he can gain from the investments is enough to make a living. A site that accepts microinvestments will most likely be only a hobby.

That is nonsense, you dont look from their perspective you look for your pespecitve. A street hustler can steal the same way 1$ like Bernie Madoff stole millions of $.

The question remains which hurts the most losing 0.001BTC or losing 100BTC.

Also dont underestimate the scammers around bitcoin. Even if he can make a fulltime income with it, he can still run away with it if there is no way of detecting his identity.

Also running a microinvestment site can be profitable aswell if enough people invest in you, and even if it turns out as a scam, the individuals lost much less / capita , than if it were a closed investment with 10 people investing 100BTC, the /capita loss would be big.

Yeah but how many micro investments sites do have a valid business modell as bitmixer.io has?

And the point still stands that 100 BTC for one person might be equal to 0.1 BTC or something of another person.

Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense.

Also you fail to understand the point, its not about rich people investing vs poor people investing, its about everyone who invests, first should check its risk tolerance. A rich guy should also invest 0.1 BTC on its first investment just to see how it turns out, no sane guy just throws money wildly, you see no billionaire do that, they are precise and careful.

If you think that gambling 100 BTC is the same than carefully planned investment with risk analysis, then your are very wrong.

That is just plain stupud. Investing a small amount first to see how it does is the reason that most ponzis get so successful. They do indeed give a payout on the small investments and bail with the big ones.

Intelligent investors will never invest in such shit in the first place and will invest in things with real businessplan and a proven trackrecord.

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Quote from: Hfleer on March 21, 2015, 01:03:31 PM

Quote from: GreenStox on March 21, 2015, 01:01:02 PM

Quote from: Hfleer on March 21, 2015, 12:52:08 PM

The amount of investment is irrelevant to the chance of that person running away. I'd say for many things a higher investment makes it even unliklier that a person vanishes, because the amount of money he can gain from the investments is enough to make a living. A site that accepts microinvestments will most likely be only a hobby.

That is nonsense, you dont look from their perspective you look for your pespecitve. A street hustler can steal the same way 1$ like Bernie Madoff stole millions of $.

The question remains which hurts the most losing 0.001BTC or losing 100BTC.

Also dont underestimate the scammers around bitcoin. Even if he can make a fulltime income with it, he can still run away with it if there is no way of detecting his identity.

Also running a microinvestment site can be profitable aswell if enough people invest in you, and even if it turns out as a scam, the individuals lost much less / capita , than if it were a closed investment with 10 people investing 100BTC, the /capita loss would be big.

Yeah but how many micro investments sites do have a valid business modell as bitmixer.io has?

And the point still stands that 100 BTC for one person might be equal to 0.1 BTC or something of another person.

Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense.

Also you fail to understand the point, its not about rich people investing vs poor people investing, its about everyone who invests, first should check its risk tolerance. A rich guy should also invest 0.1 BTC on its first investment just to see how it turns out, no sane guy just throws money wildly, you see no billionaire do that, they are precise and careful.

If you think that gambling 100 BTC is the same than carefully planned investment with risk analysis, then your are very wrong.

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Quote from: GreenStox on March 21, 2015, 01:01:02 PM

Quote from: Hfleer on March 21, 2015, 12:52:08 PM

The amount of investment is irrelevant to the chance of that person running away. I'd say for many things a higher investment makes it even unliklier that a person vanishes, because the amount of money he can gain from the investments is enough to make a living. A site that accepts microinvestments will most likely be only a hobby.

That is nonsense, you dont look from their perspective you look for your pespecitve. A street hustler can steal the same way 1$ like Bernie Madoff stole millions of $.

The question remains which hurts the most losing 0.001BTC or losing 100BTC.

Also dont underestimate the scammers around bitcoin. Even if he can make a fulltime income with it, he can still run away with it if there is no way of detecting his identity.

Also running a microinvestment site can be profitable aswell if enough people invest in you, and even if it turns out as a scam, the individuals lost much less / capita , than if it were a closed investment with 10 people investing 100BTC, the /capita loss would be big.

Yeah but how many micro investments sites do have a valid business modell as bitmixer.io has?

And the point still stands that 100 BTC for one person might be equal to 0.1 BTC or something of another person.

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Quote from: Hfleer on March 21, 2015, 12:52:08 PM

The amount of investment is irrelevant to the chance of that person running away. I'd say for many things a higher investment makes it even unliklier that a person vanishes, because the amount of money he can gain from the investments is enough to make a living. A site that accepts microinvestments will most likely be only a hobby.

That is nonsense, you dont look from their perspective you look for your pespecitve. A street hustler can steal the same way 1$ like Bernie Madoff stole millions of $.

The question remains which hurts the most losing 0.001BTC or losing 100BTC.

Also dont underestimate the scammers around bitcoin. Even if he can make a fulltime income with it, he can still run away with it if there is no way of detecting his identity.

Also running a microinvestment site can be profitable aswell if enough people invest in you, and even if it turns out as a scam, the individuals lost much less / capita , than if it were a closed investment with 10 people investing 100BTC, the /capita loss would be big.

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