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Topic: Investigation and action required. Unusual forum moderation. (Read 977 times)
I don't think there is much more to talk about here. The moderators did not engage in misconduct, and Ratimov was warned in addition to from the forum restoring the deleted threads. If he continues to keep a low profile nothing more is going to happen, although I'll bet we'll still have discussion in the threads, especially about DT inclusions and exclusions. Better keep the discussion on the Reputation section.
You are correct. This topic achieved its goal. It's clear that Ratimov used the holes and tricked forum staffs which caused to create this thread. legendary
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I don't think there is much more to talk about here. The moderators did not engage in misconduct, and Ratimov was warned in addition to from the forum restoring the deleted threads. If he continues to keep a low profile nothing more is going to happen, although I'll bet we'll still have discussion in the threads, especially about DT inclusions and exclusions. Better keep the discussion on the Reputation section.
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Yes, a veteran thief. Grand master.
He is a merit source? Do you have any evidence to prove that he has been misusing his source merits?
Who has given him more than 11,000 merits other than other merit sources? Why don't you consider them "tricked", shouldn't sources read a post in full before meriting someone? And why didn't anyone notice his "manipulation" tactics before giving him so much merits?
I will not judge anyone here, but if someone takes advantage of a community by manipulation and deception, deserves no respect and should not be put in a position of authority.
Also note that, back scratchers are every where, it's not limited to this case, almost all merit sources discriminate when it comes to meriting.
I understand you had a long gap in-between you left the forum and rejoined here. Instead of asking questions [beginners level] that makes no sense to us, try to educate yourself with the development of the forum when you were absent. Many things will make sense for you then. Until you do, it's better not to leave any comment in any topics which are related to reputation and forum itself.Who has given him more than 11,000 merits other than other merit sources? Why don't you consider them "tricked", shouldn't sources read a post in full before meriting someone? And why didn't anyone notice his "manipulation" tactics before giving him so much merits?
I will not judge anyone here, but if someone takes advantage of a community by manipulation and deception, deserves no respect and should not be put in a position of authority.
Also note that, back scratchers are every where, it's not limited to this case, almost all merit sources discriminate when it comes to meriting.
As I said, if you want to convince me, it would better to do with showing provable facts with links and explanations. If the facts will be convincing, it could change my mind. And ongoing forcing can't.
I don't know which references you are looking for while all things are already everywhere from the discussions from several of us in last few days, even the forum admin convinced that his staffs were tricked, the forum staff himself feels he did bad job. I have no time to continue the discussion to convince a single person. You think all is good? Good for you.Perhaps there should be a time limit on self mod. I can't think of a good reason to delete posts months later.
I can think of a reason:It's self-moderated to keep the topic as compact as possible (for more efficient scraping).
I don't often delete posts to keep some Q&A, but once there's enough to delete to make the topic a page shorter I do it.Quote
he's laying low
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Yes, he is a veteran forum member after all.
So its possible if he keeps deleting or editing his old topics without writing something in here , that the Account maybe got hacked or sold ?
Unlikely. He's still posting, and he still has the same signature. My guess: he's laying low because at this point the amount of drama he caused is only making things worse for himself.Perhaps there should be a time limit on self mod. I can't think of a good reason to delete posts months later.
I can think of a reason:It's self-moderated to keep the topic as compact as possible (for more efficient scraping).
I don't often delete posts to keep some Q&A, but once there's enough to delete to make the topic a page shorter I do it. legendary
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Perhaps there should be a time limit on self mod. I can't think of a good reason to delete posts months later.
Obviously, I can't know what's going on in theymos' head but I don't think one particular case justifies a general change regarding self-moderated threads. But I want to make it clear that I am not against it, especially if implementation is easy.
It's allowed for topic-starters to delete all replies to their self-mod topics. Restoring the posts would only be considered in special cases such as if their account had been hacked.
Also, if a topic has no more replies, moderators will typically delete the topic on request, since then there isn't the issue of deleting other people's replies. That's why the empty topics were not restored.
Also, if a topic has no more replies, moderators will typically delete the topic on request, since then there isn't the issue of deleting other people's replies. That's why the empty topics were not restored.
It's just that he trashed a bunch of threads out of spite or mental breakdown or whatever that was, not because of anything related to the threads themselves. That's why I think it's abuse of a forum feature/privilege.
Perhaps there should be a time limit on self mod. I can't think of a good reason to delete posts months later.
see lots of personal involvement of some users in all that
Are you still going to give special importance in personal involvements or you now can see the other issues are more important than personal?Did you provide any new provable facts since then? As I see from the thread, your accusations towards mods expectedly revealed false and basing on wrong assumptions. Those assumptions are motivated by your personal involvement. Why should my position change?
Unlike you, I did check several deleted topics via ninjastic.space and I didn't see anything of that you are saying about those topics. And I did it even before to come first time in this topic. So, despite it should be on you to prove your words (because it is your accusations), I did my own small research. And I see no new facts. Only new accusations basing on old assumptions.
As I said, if you want to convince me, it would better to do with showing provable facts with links and explanations. If the facts will be convincing, it could change my mind. And ongoing forcing can't.
He is a merit source? Do you have any evidence to prove that he has been misusing his source merits?
Who has given him more than 11,000 merits other than other merit sources? Why don't you consider them "tricked", shouldn't sources read a post in full before meriting someone? And why didn't anyone notice his "manipulation" tactics before giving him so much merits?
I will not judge anyone here, but if someone takes advantage of a community by manipulation and deception, deserves no respect and should not be put in a position of authority.
Also note that, back scratchers are every where, it's not limited to this case, almost all merit sources discriminate when it comes to meriting.
Who has given him more than 11,000 merits other than other merit sources? Why don't you consider them "tricked", shouldn't sources read a post in full before meriting someone? And why didn't anyone notice his "manipulation" tactics before giving him so much merits?
I will not judge anyone here, but if someone takes advantage of a community by manipulation and deception, deserves no respect and should not be put in a position of authority.
Also note that, back scratchers are every where, it's not limited to this case, almost all merit sources discriminate when it comes to meriting.
This is a rule violation, but it's fairly minor. A veteran forum member isn't typically going to be banned without warning for moving their topics incorrectly. (These topics were blanked and then deleted over the course of ~3 days before the issue was noticed. It wasn't part of an ongoing pattern AFAICT.) If he continues to move topics incorrectly, this would warrant a temporary ban.
Yes Retimov is a veteran member[1.] He has long experience in stealing others work [even avoided ban for plagiarism], a thief.
[2.] He has long experience in farming merit in the forum to position himself as 3rd merit earner [we were able to set him as a role model, Ratimov medals Ratimov], a merit farmer.
[3.] He has long experience in manipulating DT system to positing himself with 14 DT strength, a DT abuser.
[4.] He has long experience in conducting deals to grow his feedback page with +22 positive feedback, a trust farmer.
[5.] He has long experience in using trust feedback to hostage the feedback sender to offer peace, a feedback abuser.
We need a custom title for Ratimov: A veteran intellectual thief, merit farmer, DT abuser, trust farmer, feedback abuser. Just like this
Joking apart, what do you feel about his merit source status? You said yourself
see lots of personal involvement of some users in all that
Are you still going to give special importance in personal involvements or you now can see the other issues are more important than personal?He received a warning from me. I wrote to him about his behavior and that in case he continues such actions, he will get a ban. I did not receive a reply, but his trash topics did no longer appear after my warning. I hope for his discretion.
You did what should be done, there are no late in correcting mistake. If you would do the same and used your brain before making everything so messy like it became now then no one would try to point the fingers towards you and the other mod. I really hope you will use this experience to learn a good lesson. All the best. legendary
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Now I wonder if mr r has had something anger him and it is why he is doing it.
Have you read those 2 threads, which expose Ratimov's Trust abuses done for years in a row and his shenanigans done to cover his abuses and his plagiarism? This is the reason why.
Should Ratimov be in DT1?
Ratimov is deleting self-moderated topics. He now goes onto my Ignore list.
mr r
Oh, he is no "Mr"! You can see here his attempts to act like a gentleman.
At first I thought you are joking when you asked about what happens. Later I realized you actually don't know. Please read the linked materials thoroughlly and you'll understand.
I would argue that even self-mod threads that Ratimov cleaned out should be restored and locked, if that's not done already.
The self-moderated topics were not restored. At least the risk was known when I posted in there (I just didn't expect it).To me it seems that a self-mod OP going on a rampage and emptying multiple threads for no reason should be dealt with in a similar way as a moderator on a rampage would be dealt with. I think in the latter case deleted content would be restored. And the person would likely be stripped of the delete-other-users-posts privilege.
Years ago April fools joke was done by theymos the forum became infected for April fools day.
I got really angry over this really angry and I starting to delete one of my self modded threads.
I wish I had not reacted that way but I did. I got 30 or 40 pms and realized My anger overcame me. I did not delete any more threads.
Now I wonder if mr r has had something anger him and it is why he is doing it.
Yeah my wife had 2x pneumonia from covid and almost died she still suffers to this day from nasal and lung issues. It was not an easy disease for us. So I reacted poorly.
Maybe Mr R is in distress over Ukraine Vs Russia war and has reacted poorly in his behavior.
This is a rule violation, but it's fairly minor. A veteran forum member isn't typically going to be banned without warning for moving their topics incorrectly.
But has he received any warning about it? It seems to many of us too many threads with significant discussion and merit in them to do so without further explanation, which he has not given.
Although I suppose if he hasn't received a warning, your post, which he is sure to read, serves as a warning itself.
He received a warning from me. I wrote to him about his behavior and that in case he continues such actions, he will get a ban. I did not receive a reply, but his trash topics did no longer appear after my warning. I hope for his discretion.
It's allowed for topic-starters to delete all replies to their self-mod topics. Restoring the posts would only be considered in special cases such as if their account had been hacked.
So its possible if he keeps deleting or editing his old topics without writing something in here , that the Account maybe got hacked or sold ?I dont know if the behavior and posting manner has changed the last weeks of him or not , as i not watched him much.
Hopefully he can clear things with an statement soon.
Although I suppose if he hasn't received a warning, your post, which he is sure to read, serves as a warning itself.
I guess it can be seen as a warning or an note for future actions. legendary
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This is a rule violation, but it's fairly minor. A veteran forum member isn't typically going to be banned without warning for moving their topics incorrectly.
But has he received any warning about it? It seems to many of us too many threads with significant discussion and merit in them to do so without further explanation, which he has not given.
Although I suppose if he hasn't received a warning, your post, which he is sure to read, serves as a warning itself.
Isn't this statement contradicting itself?
The word "misconduct" implies bad intent. This was a moderator getting tricked.Since Ratimov was turning his old topics into garbage on purpose
He wants to delete his posts, but he can't delete the topics, so he's editing them to be "blank". This is common and allowed.then he moved his trash in the Russian local board
This is a rule violation, but it's fairly minor. A veteran forum member isn't typically going to be banned without warning for moving their topics incorrectly. (These topics were blanked and then deleted over the course of ~3 days before the issue was noticed. It wasn't part of an ongoing pattern AFAICT.) If he continues to move topics incorrectly, this would warrant a temporary ban.I would argue that even self-mod threads that Ratimov cleaned out should be restored and locked, if that's not done already.
It's allowed for topic-starters to delete all replies to their self-mod topics. Restoring the posts would only be considered in special cases such as if their account had been hacked.Also, if a topic has no more replies, moderators will typically delete the topic on request, since then there isn't the issue of deleting other people's replies. That's why the empty topics were not restored.
I would argue that even self-mod threads that Ratimov cleaned out should be restored and locked, if that's not done already.
The self-moderated topics were not restored. At least the risk was known when I posted in there (I just didn't expect it).To me it seems that a self-mod OP going on a rampage and emptying multiple threads for no reason should be dealt with in a similar way as a moderator on a rampage would be dealt with. I think in the latter case deleted content would be restored. And the person would likely be stripped of the delete-other-users-posts privilege.
The question is why he is doing all this and whats going on with his behavior lately for deleting all that things.
But the most thing i dont understand is why he not comes and showing himself here and write about it.
As i remember normaly he was instant replying to things that have to do with him.
But the most thing i dont understand is why he not comes and showing himself here and write about it.
As i remember normaly he was instant replying to things that have to do with him.
I would argue that even self-mod threads that Ratimov cleaned out should be restored and locked, if that's not done already.
The self-moderated topics were not restored. At least the risk was known when I posted in there (I just didn't expect it). Jump to: