Topic: [Investigation] Fighting The Account Mafia (Read 3621 times)

There was a user data breach in 2015 - part of it was user email addresses - so likely what happened was somebody figured out that your email had expired and re-registered it. I see old accounts coming back to the forum all the time; many of them were probably obtained through this same method.

Just wish campaign managers would do 5 seconds of research before accepting them into their campaign    by doing so they are only encouraging this kind of behavior.

Writing it just to this thread, coz thinking that Fighting The Account Mafia is a never-ending-process;)


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(Finally) Here would be some sort of description of how my BTT account fell into the wrong hands, sold, etc.

No other explanation has been found than the fact that the email account associated with the BTT account
was not used for 6 months.
The email service provider had changed the "inactive time" from 1 year to 6 months, which caused my "mistake" = "forgetting" (or missed the provider's notification email in other email inboxes).


After the email account had been inactive for 6 months, it was closed and then the email address was released to the open markets.
And someone X had taken it from there - for free.
And after that he had either sold that email account to Y, or reset the BTT password.
Anyway, either X, Y or Z took over my BTT account in July 2022.

I don't know how X would have guessed to try BTT-resetting, because there shouldn't have been any connection between the email address and BTT anywhere. I am remembering that the email address has been 'hidden' in my BTT settings.

Therefore there would be 3 options, why X decided to try to reset the BTT password:

1) pure guess or systematically tried for several sites
2) the email account had not been cleaned properly, but there would have been some emails that contained "bitcointalk"
3) Has there been a data leak on the BTT website? At least some years ago there was a warning on the page about "some hacking".   That was the reason, why I changed my email address in that time. But, I do not know, if the email addresses could have been leaked then?



X tried to cover his tracks with different stories, e.g. that Google Support helped him.
It couldn't have been true, because Google was in no way connected to my BTT account or my BTT email account.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60525631


Problem solution:
In August 2022 I contacted the BTT (admins and [email protected]), and received instructions.
In December 2022 "BTT jury" decided that I am the real owner of the jkoil account.
Maybe the delay was caused by the missing PGP or Bitcoin signature...
I have used no Bitcoin address on this forum; the only way to prove myself was to send a signed message from may NEM ICO wallet.

Also it may have helped a bit that I have written in the same "style" and "language" since Dec 2013  
At least some members recognized the imposter by his postings



Other related:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60706810
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recovering-hackedlost-accounts-5089777   ( signatures, etc. )
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60529510 ( "if a user never used a bitcoin address anywhere on this forum.." )



PS.  Since the problem was not related to password hacking, I still avoid using the password managers ... for my important passwords.

LOL. That's just BS.

Looking at Rigon's trust page I see that he has several neutral trusts of negative spirit, and although I have great respect for those of you who have left them, I don't see why they are not negative. In any case, I see this case much clearer than LDL's, so I'm going to leave a negative. This reminds me of the one who made up a story about having a brother in Indonesia who had given him the account, martyns.

I think Rigon is maybe going to be lucky because I don't think Royse777 is going to rush to take action with just one negative feedback from me.

Another lie. I didn't say the original owner was from Canada. Read carefully. Show me where I mentioned Canada; is it worth picking up an atlas?
In addition, the first owner was a woman, if you carefully read the highlighted text.


Rigon needed enough time to answer my question because alternate accounts started showing up. I sent the first PM to Rigon a long time ago but didn't get a response. But I sent a PM again recently, and now, due to a related topic, Rigon woke up and replied.


However, the fairy tale about moving from country to country is not accepted.

LOL I don't believe any of that for one second.

Worst. Story. Ever.

He's just afraid that if he admits its a bought account he'll be red tagged, so he feels like he has to lie. But in reality he should have just said nothing.

I won't make anything up with you here. After being basically inactive for seven years I came to Bangladesh in 2020 covid19 year active and I decided to bounce in 2021 when the market is good so that I can earn some money to support myself and family. But I am currently staying in Bangladesh and I will be coming back to Canada in few months. I have not resorted to any dishonest means. I told my reality you will judge.

Take a moment and listen to my whole story. In 2009-2012 America Diversity Visa (DV) my elder sister won the American lottery and my elder sister immigrated to America with her husband. After they moved to America I also moved to America with my sister and spent several years there. In 2020 I moved to Bangladesh and started some of my work qualifications I trained for my electrical course. And also I spend some time on bitcoin forums.

But recently my course is complete and I have applied for Canada work permit visa. I will probably be moving to Canada in a few months and will see if I can be active on the forum but will try to be as active as possible. But in this case, if I mentioned Canada in the post, would you be guilty of changing the ownership? I have tried to be precise and leave the rest to your judgement. You have the right intelligence and occupy a privileged place in the forum. Hope your honesty and integrity has impressed everyone on the forum.

That was the answer I needed, and thanks for the reference too, @lovesmayfamilis.

So far I haven't flagged anyone for any case I've encountered around the forum, but I'm more inclined to support or be in opposition if the accusations are not true. Well maybe out of ignorance of small details, but in general I know how it works.

Well the negative trust was removed and jkoil can always refer to this thread in the future. So I dont think the flag would be an issue in the future.
Also it will bring people here to explain the story, so people will understand that his account was compromised for some time. I think that is also a good thing, since it creates transparency.

The user can create a flag. You need to be very careful about its creation, and understand what purpose the flag is intended for.
The flag itself cannot be removed in the future. If the person who created the flag renounces it, i.e. withdraws their support, the flag can still remain if other users supported it.
For the flag to cease to have its power, there must be support in the opposition.
For more details, read:  Trust flags

Alright, after few moment of noticing it I have considered removing my support for flags. I hope you are well now, and try to stay safe in better way than before.
Now you can oppose the flag even though the support is still there. Maybe some of them haven't noticed yet, so consider contacting them via PM or bumping this thread to let them know.


I haven't added a flag to anyone yet, but can it be removed after adding it like our tag on other users' profiles?
If it can be removed, you might consider removing it.

Not sure if I understood what you were trying to ask, but you can also oppose the flag. Right now it's already inactive since it does not have sufficient support, so it's should not bother you as it won't show up under your profile in forum posts and replies.

Since jkoil gained access to his account again, I removed the negative feedback and added a tag on the list.
I am glad that the account sellers didnt succeed in this attempt and hope that they will loose interest in their shady business if it will not be profitable for them.

Thanks.

good suggestion... what would be a right location for the "advices for hacked" topic?

Congratulation to @jkoil back to natural owner and seems all negative feedback due your account hack have been removed, you can start with new journey right now after several moths losing access to your own account. I think you need to make some topic about how to recovery account was hack and many user here ever in your position after they are losing with their account access.

You can make little advice or guide how you can recovering your account back and how long time you need when your account back to your hands, maybe will helped many user when losing their account due hacked access and they know what have to do.

Thanks.
Ok, I'll send a msg to hZti.

You may still need to PM hZti to let him know your current situation.
Right now hZti's red feedback has no power to show as he is not DT, but that will change soon when one of the DT1s adds him to his trust list in the future. So ask him to remove that tag from your profile. This is just friendly reminder for him.

Also congratulations, you have got your account again.

Today I noticed that the negative trust of jkoil has disappeared
Thanks to all of you and especially to nutildah.

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In Trust summary for jkoil is this text:

logfiles alleged the following, but later withdrew it: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with jkoil is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions.
Support: lovesmayfamilis, _BlackStar, Eternad, hZti, shawon01, mafoja1
Opposition: nutildah, logfiles
Insufficient support.
Support | Oppose

Generally, and for the future: is this the place where account's owner could Oppose the arguments - Or has the owner anything to say here?

Also thanks for the mention here !
I deleted my support for the flag on jkoil , and hopefully all others also will be doing it.
Glad and happy to hear and to read that the Account is back to the real owner.
I also got no message or got asked from him to remove it , but with that post here all should be good.

Thanks for the mention! I took down the flag support. Just FYI, I would've taken care of it sooner but I didn't get any kind of message or notification about it.

Thanks so much for the PM @nutildah

I received a Private message from one of jkoil's Alt accounts, but the way the message was presented made me think it was one of those threats, and it had no links showing that the account had been recovered (I have received so many such messages from Jkoil impersonators claiming to own the account). I under looked the whole thing, especially by the fact that I was inactive at that time for personal reasons.

Indeed, the account was recovered by the rightful owner,



So I am going to remove the negative feedback and support for the flag.

I suggest the other members to look into this issue in case they missed out on the new development --> Lafu, Swordsoffreedom, lovesmayfamilis, FatFork, _BlackStar, Eternad, hZti, shawon01, mafoja1, icopress

Sorry for the delay.