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The second point is, with the recent release of Pictures of pirate as well as some proof on concept and evidence of what he does, I want to ask the investors once again, would you be okay with a 3-5% exposure to pirate?

After some thought and research I too believe the chance of pirate's not being a ponzi are great, I would be ok with up to 15% pirate's exposure.

My 2 satoshis
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I don't see a problem with risking part of the portfolio on an insured PPT. Especially if you are the one running the PPT. At least we know GBF will be paid that way. Other insured PPTs may end up defaulting along with Pirate, or defaulting even if Pirate does not. Personally I consider GIPPT to be a low risk investment. A lot lower risk than many of the securities currently available on GLBSE.
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log book update is delayed until tomorrow, so is also any pms or emails sent to me Tongue
I will fix everything early tomorrow, too tired to do it now Smiley
//DeaDTerra
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Hi DeaDTerra, I agree with everyone else - please feel free to invest the GBF funds into other business ventures that you control but not with Pirate so that we can keep our Pirate exposure separate from GBF (I use Bitcoinmax myself).

Thanks and keep up the great work!

As a GIPPT investor, who understands it carries minimal risk compared to pure pirate, I don't see a problem with including it in GBF. 
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Hi DeaDTerra, I agree with everyone else - please feel free to invest the GBF funds into other business ventures that you control but not with Pirate so that we can keep our Pirate exposure separate from GBF (I use Bitcoinmax myself).

Thanks and keep up the great work!
cst
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hey guys,
I have decided that I am going to go to the London Bitcoin Conference :D
So if anyone want to meet me face to face, and talk Bitcoin, investments and much more then go to the conference :)
//DeaDTerra

How about just getting drunk? ;)
Ehm sure I guess :P
I am up for going and taking a beer :D
//DeaDTerra

Bitcoin and beer, sounds good :)
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Up to you! I could go either way, but I think that the majority of people will at the least support the GIPPT idea. It does suck to lose coins in the fund Sad, maybe just have the direct pirate exposure of 3-5% very temporary?

+1

I'm ok with a small level of pirate exposure, 3-10% is a completely managable risk for me.
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...as well as some proof on concept and evidence of what he does...
Wait, what did I miss?
He has provided some screenshots of his bitcoinica account as well as live proof of that he's the manipulator that's controlling the walls on MtGox, which indicated he's a large speculation trader Smiley
//DeaDTerra
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hey guys,
I have decided that I am going to go to the London Bitcoin Conference Cheesy
So if anyone want to meet me face to face, and talk Bitcoin, investments and much more then go to the conference Smiley
//DeaDTerra

How about just getting drunk? Wink
Ehm sure I guess Tongue
I am up for going and taking a beer Cheesy
//DeaDTerra
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...as well as some proof on concept and evidence of what he does...
Wait, what did I miss?
cst
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The Cosmos doesn't care about you.
hey guys,
I have decided that I am going to go to the London Bitcoin Conference :D
So if anyone want to meet me face to face, and talk Bitcoin, investments and much more then go to the conference :)
//DeaDTerra

How about just getting drunk? ;)
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hey guys,
I have decided that I am going to go to the London Bitcoin Conference Cheesy
So if anyone want to meet me face to face, and talk Bitcoin, investments and much more then go to the conference Smiley
//DeaDTerra
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I will keep doing my best with what I have.
//DeaDTerra

That's what it all comes down to in the end.

You're the guy we come looking for with pitchforks and battle axes when things go wrong whose judgement we're banking on.

 Wink

My vote: Whatever you think gives us the most return with the best risk management strategy.

Okay Smiley
Good to know you guys have faith in me xD, I hope I live up to it.
//DeaDTerra
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I will keep doing my best with what I have.
//DeaDTerra

That's what it all comes down to in the end.

You're the guy we come looking for with pitchforks and battle axes when things go wrong whose judgement we're banking on.

 Wink

My vote: Whatever you think gives us the most return with the best risk management strategy.
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As long as the risk is managed smartly, I support whatever decisions you make.
It's a weighed risk Smiley
//DeaDTerra
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Up to you! I could go either way, but I think that the majority of people will at the least support the GIPPT idea. It does suck to lose coins in the fund Sad, maybe just have the direct pirate exposure of 3-5% very temporary?

+1


In my opinion, if people want to take the risk for pirate, let them  place the appropriately sized amount to risk in GIPPT on their own. I see GBF more as a safe place to park coins rather than a riskier growth fund.
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As long as the risk is managed smartly, I support whatever decisions you make.
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Okay so this is the idea for now Smiley
I will exchange our loan with INAU (same terms as GIPPT) for GIPPT shares, it's exactly the same risk and reward as the bonds.
So I will buy 1000 of them (same amount as we had in loans previously), then I will place the rest of our liquid capital into trading bots and deposits Smiley
I am currently also working on liquidating some of our GLBSE assets, so hopefully our GLBSE exposure should go down by a couple of hundred BTC soon.
//DeaDTerra
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Up to you! I could go either way, but I think that the majority of people will at the least support the GIPPT idea. It does suck to lose coins in the fund Sad, maybe just have the direct pirate exposure of 3-5% very temporary?

+1
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Proposal #1:    ...invest 300 BTC into GIPPT...

Proposal #2:    ...3-5% exposure to pirate...

//DeaDTerra

Proposal #1:   I vote YES  (It's something you have your thumb on, and control to a large extent)

Proposal #2:   I vote NO  ( I feel it's not why I find the Gamma fund useful. You're giving us analysis & diversity, but most importantly: (a) access to equity we wouldn't have access to as individual investors, and (b) some freedom from complete exposure to GLBSE as a point of failure (via intelligent diversity)

If I wanted to invest directly in Pirate, I'd use Bitcoinmax and regulate my overall percent exposure that way.


After seeing those points I agree,
YES to GIPPT
NO to uninsured pirate.
Okay maybe I should explain my path of thought Smiley
The constant price increase makes people avoid buying shares on GLBSE, as buying shares on GLBSE becomes like kind of a shorting. When the USD price increases the GLBSE turns bearish as mentioned previously. I won't go in to the details but anyone that has observed the GLBSE market knows this. When the Bitcoin price increase the GLBSE share prices decrease. No in a 1:1 ratio but still enough for GBF to feel the downward trend of the share prices.

This is fine for anyone that want to gain USD as the ratio is not 1:1, you still gain net value in USD. But for us BTC savers, it's bad as the share prices lose value in BTC. This leads to a hill I have to climb every time the price increases, as our portfolio value decreases. I have tried liquidating but as mentioned previously due to the bearish market and out big investments (we are huge compared to the average trader on GLBSE), liquidating is hard and slow.

Hence I want to move into stable bonds/deposits which are not effected by the market. Most of these are somehow connected to pirate, unfortunately and to counter act the dropping GLBSE market, I was thinking if we invest a couple of percent then we can counter act the lose of portfolio value.

But it's up to you guys Smiley

I will keep doing my best with what I have.
//DeaDTerra

Up to you! I could go either way, but I think that the majority of people will at the least support the GIPPT idea. It does suck to lose coins in the fund Sad, maybe just have the direct pirate exposure of 3-5% very temporary?
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