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donator
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000

Proposal #1:    ...invest 300 BTC into GIPPT...

Proposal #2:    ...3-5% exposure to pirate...

//DeaDTerra

Proposal #1:   I vote YES  (It's something you have your thumb on, and control to a large extent)

Proposal #2:   I vote NO  ( I feel it's not why I find the Gamma fund useful. You're giving us analysis & diversity, but most importantly: (a) access to equity we wouldn't have access to as individual investors, and (b) some freedom from complete exposure to GLBSE as a point of failure (via intelligent diversity)

If I wanted to invest directly in Pirate, I'd use Bitcoinmax and regulate my overall percent exposure that way.


After seeing those points I agree,
YES to GIPPT
NO to uninsured pirate.
Okay maybe I should explain my path of thought Smiley
The constant price increase makes people avoid buying shares on GLBSE, as buying shares on GLBSE becomes like kind of a shorting. When the USD price increases the GLBSE turns bearish as mentioned previously. I won't go in to the details but anyone that has observed the GLBSE market knows this. When the Bitcoin price increase the GLBSE share prices decrease. No in a 1:1 ratio but still enough for GBF to feel the downward trend of the share prices.

This is fine for anyone that want to gain USD as the ratio is not 1:1, you still gain net value in USD. But for us BTC savers, it's bad as the share prices lose value in BTC. This leads to a hill I have to climb every time the price increases, as our portfolio value decreases. I have tried liquidating but as mentioned previously due to the bearish market and out big investments (we are huge compared to the average trader on GLBSE), liquidating is hard and slow.

Hence I want to move into stable bonds/deposits which are not effected by the market. Most of these are somehow connected to pirate, unfortunately and to counter act the dropping GLBSE market, I was thinking if we invest a couple of percent then we can counter act the lose of portfolio value.

But it's up to you guys Smiley

I will keep doing my best with what I have.
//DeaDTerra
newbie
Activity: 49
Merit: 0

Proposal #1:    ...invest 300 BTC into GIPPT...

Proposal #2:    ...3-5% exposure to pirate...

//DeaDTerra

Proposal #1:   I vote YES  (It's something you have your thumb on, and control to a large extent)

Proposal #2:   I vote NO  ( I feel it's not why I find the Gamma fund useful. You're giving us analysis & diversity, but most importantly: (a) access to equity we wouldn't have access to as individual investors, and (b) some freedom from complete exposure to GLBSE as a point of failure (via intelligent diversity)

If I wanted to invest directly in Pirate, I'd use Bitcoinmax and regulate my overall percent exposure that way.


After seeing those points I agree,
YES to GIPPT
NO to uninsured pirate.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
firstbits 1LoCBS

Proposal #1:    ...invest 300 BTC into GIPPT...

Proposal #2:    ...3-5% exposure to pirate...

//DeaDTerra

Proposal #1:   I vote YES  (It's something you have your thumb on, and control to a large extent)

Proposal #2:   I vote NO  ( I feel it's not why I find the Gamma fund useful. You're giving us analysis & diversity, but most importantly: (a) access to equity we wouldn't have access to as individual investors, and (b) some freedom from complete exposure to GLBSE as a point of failure (via intelligent diversity)

If I wanted to invest directly in Pirate, I'd use Bitcoinmax and regulate my overall percent exposure that way.

newbie
Activity: 49
Merit: 0
Hmm... well I'm handling my pirate exposure separately than GBF (by mostly investing in your GIPPT xD and a few other places). However 3-5% isn't much.

I guess I don't really have an opinion on this one, with some pirate exposure it's still a safe fund, just keep it low xD.

As for the 300BTC into GIPPT, I'm worried enough already about the insurance being in pirate... On the flip side 300btc from the entire fund is not really a HUGE deal, and if you are 100% confident in our insurance then go for it I suppose.
donator
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
Hey guys!
I want your opinion on two points, the first is to invest 300 BTC into GIPPT, as it's run by me it's a conflict of interest and hence I do not feel comfortable making this decision on my own. If you guys agree then I will put 300 BTC into Gippt if not, well then I won't Smiley
The second point is, with the recent release of Pictures of pirate as well as some proof on concept and evidence of what he does, I want to ask the investors once again, would you be okay with a 3-5% exposure to pirate?
I personally believe that the chance of pirate being a ponzi has decreased dramatically over the last couple of weeks but it's always a risk.

Please post here or send me a pm with what your opinion on these two matters are Smiley
//DeaDTerra
donator
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
Hey guys sorry for the massive delay on this weekly report, I got a cold so I was kind of out for the counting for a couple of days  Tongue
But I am back to full energy today Cheesy

Weekly Report for 22-29 July 2012
This week I have keep working on selling of PureMining and such non upgradeable Mining Bonds.
While I have bought GigaMining and BitBond which both offer Upgrade paths once the ASIC tech is out and rolling Smiley
BitBond released that they will also be supporting ASIC upgrades, hence I bought 350 of them as I belive that they have now become a good long term investment and also I think this will drive the bond price up.

Not a lot of things have happened to our portfolio this week mostly due to some big withdraws which has left us with a low amount of liquid capital. Hence I have been working on liquidating out assets on GLBSE and clearing up unnecessary and unprofitable assets. With the liquid capital gained by liquidating assets on GLBSE, I have injected them into our margin trading bots.

For now the plan is to keep slowly reducing our GLBSE exposure by getting rid of unwanted GLBSE assets, then moving the freed-up capital into more liquid assets like trading bots and short term loans.

This weeks profit ended up at 1.685%, which is a okay result part of why the performance was not as good as I thought it would be, is due to the price increase, from 8.4 to 8.8$ and now up to 9.5$ and rising. To counter act this I am moving away from volatile sensitive assets and moving into more bonds and loans/ trading bots. That can be profitable even in a volatile market.

Gamma are launching a new asset on Friday, it's a insure pirate pass through, that's Insured by IneedAUserName Smiley
We are offering 2,5% a week in interest rate, with a 100% insurance against pirate default.
For more info check out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96793.20

//DeaDTerra
donator
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
The weekly report and the log book update will be finished tomorrow Smiley
Due to that my work plus the new IPO has taken a lot of energy and time, it's now a bit to late to engage in such things Tongue
So I will finish it off and post it tomorrow
//DeaDTerra
donator
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
Will you be investing in your own Piratae Pass Trough? Would be kind of meta  Grin  Tongue
No I will not, it seems silly to invest into my own asset.
//DeaDTerra
sr. member
Activity: 352
Merit: 250
Will you be investing in your own Piratae Pass Trough? Would be kind of meta  Grin  Tongue
donator
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
Smells awefully like using floats instead of integers to me though...
I am using Google documents xD it has it's limitations.
//DeaDTerra
legendary
Activity: 2618
Merit: 1007
Smells awefully like using floats instead of integers to me though...
donator
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
Hooray! Is the investor log updated? My balance hasn't changed.
It's updated now, thanks for reminding me Smiley
//DeaDTerra

I enjoy that you're keeping track of our balances down to 12 decimal places (centisatoshis?)  Cheesy
I used to do it manual and then I only did it down to 3 decimal places, but I found a way to automate it Cheesy
So now it is super exact!
//DeaDTerra
full member
Activity: 139
Merit: 100
Hooray! Is the investor log updated? My balance hasn't changed.
It's updated now, thanks for reminding me Smiley
//DeaDTerra

I enjoy that you're keeping track of our balances down to 12 decimal places (centisatoshis?)  Cheesy
donator
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
Hooray! Is the investor log updated? My balance hasn't changed.
It's updated now, thanks for reminding me Smiley
//DeaDTerra
newbie
Activity: 49
Merit: 0
Hooray! Is the investor log updated? My balance hasn't changed.
donator
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
This weeks profit landed at 1.685% Smiley
A okay result, the market is starting to turn as the Bitcoin price is stabilizing.
A full weekly report will be released in a couple of hours.
Profit has already been paid out and so has withdraws

I also want to add that I have opened up the fund for another 1000 BTC due to some withdraws which has left space for more investments.
//DeaDTerra
DrG
legendary
Activity: 2086
Merit: 1035
Invested 250BTC for a little over a week and came out with 253.xx.  DeadTerra is pretty good about getting back to PMs.  I'll be bringing funds back once I mine some more coin  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1018
Merit: 1000
invested 5 btc came back with 7 btc and change I am happy. But I want to try other experiments.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
I would like to report that I've made a withdrawal from GBF, and it was processed in a timely fashion. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of the new investment strategy, and will reinvest in GBF in the near future.

Thanks DeaDTerra!
donator
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
We have invested 500 BTC into each of Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 12% / 30 days. and Long Term Loaning ZiggiStar 20% / 30 days guarantee, These are both loaning bonds, that are open to be traded on the market, which pay a daily dividend. As these are not affected by the Bitcoin price decrease or increase, I decided it was a good idea to move some capital into such ventures.

This is something very problematic imho, as ZiggiStar does still not disclose (after nearly 2 weeks of promising to put up a list) where he "invests" that money - he admitted in the german subforum that he at least has "parts" (not detailling how high) of "Project 17" (the 20% one) at pirate "but not everything". For all you know, he might even invest in GBF!

Also he used to go into quite a flamewar on the german subforum + still has not disclosed at all where the profit for his "bank books" are coming from, only that he does "trading". Even frikkin' pirate stays calm if you call ponzi on him, ZiggiStar is at least for me something that I wouldn't tough with even a very long pole...

A "100% insured, backed by gamma" pirate deposit similar to YARR (daily dividends of ~1 Bitcent) would be something I'd love to have - if you have competitive rates that is.
He has told me he does a lot of speculation trading combined with stock/asset trading and bots. I know that his past is a bit wanky, but he a good reputation and hasn't defaulted on anything. I have his passport saved on my computer and he seems to know what he's doing. Surely it's a risk, but I wouldn't compare it to the risk of pirate.

Okay great Smiley, I will release more detail about it tonight.
//DeaDTerra
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