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Quote from: Csmiami on June 25, 2019, 05:12:09 PM

FFS, are we really going that way? I was having some drinks with some friends at a bar, when withdrawing I saw fee was roughly 3xxx, amount he sent was 0.003, so 30-3=0.0027. It didn't sound off when doing it, and since it was not something "urgent" or "pressing" I didn't really double check with a calculator. My bad there I guess.... Roll Eyes

The amount deducted including fees is very clearly written on the page. I don't think that 27.3 == 30 in any situation.

Quote from: Csmiami on June 25, 2019, 05:12:09 PM

Also, if my intentions would have been malicious, I would have not returned any single satoshi....

This was a way to potentially take a few satoshis for yourself without anyone realizing.

Quote from: Csmiami on June 25, 2019, 05:12:09 PM

My god, a double red neg over 20k satoshi? I thought I had made myself pretty clear a couple of times about not really wanting to be involved with those funds, this started as a joke/experiment but ouch....

If you don't want to be involved with the funds, then send the whole amount back (minus tx fees) instead of keeping $3 for yourself. You're making yourself involved with the funds by taking 20k satoshis. I agree that it is a small amount, but I personally don't believe that people should be allowed to steal small amounts without consequences. If someone stole $3 from you, would you be fine with letting them go without consequences? It's not the amount, it's the principal.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on June 25, 2019, 02:11:08 PM

Quote from: Csmiami on June 25, 2019, 12:51:48 PM

Succesfully confirmed your payment request for 0.00270000 BTC to 388hFGeoMBFtUr4njtpEiNgUBVsTexUGge.

Enjoy your $3 profit Tongue

Csmiami used Freebitcoin's slow withdraw to return ArmandoComellas's 0.003BTC (minus tx fees). Freebitcoin's withdraw fees are dynamic, but fees have not hit around 800 sat/byte which would cause a 0.3 mBTC withdraw fee. A reasonable maximum would be around 0.05 mBTC (5000 satoshi), and thus Csmiami pocketed 0.25 mBTC+ (roughly $3 USD with current exchange rates). The 0.05 mBTC figure is a rough estimate based upon a 120 sat/byte fee for next block, though the 'Slow' withdraw option is a batch transaction and the fee charged is likely based off of a future estimate for when the transaction was sent. It would make little sense for any algorithm to assume that 120 sat/byte would last, and a more reasonable guess would be around 0.037 mBTC fee based off of the current charge of 0.034 mBTC.

FFS, are we really going that way? I was having some drinks with some friends at a bar, when withdrawing I saw fee was roughly 3xxx, amount he sent was 0.003, so 30-3=0.0027. It didn't sound off when doing it, and since it was not something "urgent" or "pressing" I didn't really double check with a calculator. My bad there I guess.... Roll Eyes

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Csmiami is likely doing this with malicious intent - the 'borrower' does not seem to know how Bitcoin fully works as shown in this post, and thus may not know what a reasonable transaction fee would be. It is a small amount, but I consider these actions untrustworthy.

If my intentions had been malicious, I would not have repeatedly said "0.03 for 0.015" on every message I sent from the begining, I would just say it once, never mention it again until payment was (obviously) not made full and the I'd have started bitching around how he didn't send me the money or something. I honestly didn't expect him to go as far as to send me any BTC, and when that happened I turned to consult two other members that had been active in the discussion, since those funds were doing me no favour. Also, if my intentions would have been malicious, I would have not returned any single satoshi....

My god, a double red neg over 20k satoshi? I thought I had made myself pretty clear a couple of times about not really wanting to be involved with those funds, this started as a joke/experiment but ouch....

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on June 25, 2019, 02:11:08 PM

Quote from: Csmiami on June 25, 2019, 12:51:48 PM

Succesfully confirmed your payment request for 0.00270000 BTC to 388hFGeoMBFtUr4njtpEiNgUBVsTexUGge.

Enjoy your $3 profit Tongue

Csmiami used Freebitcoin's slow withdraw to return ArmandoComellas's 0.003BTC (minus tx fees). Freebitcoin's withdraw fees are dynamic, but fees have not hit around 800 sat/byte which would cause a 0.3 mBTC withdraw fee. A reasonable maximum would be around 0.05 mBTC (5000 satoshi), and thus Csmiami pocketed 0.25 mBTC+ (roughly $3 USD with current exchange rates). The 0.05 mBTC figure is a rough estimate based upon a 120 sat/byte fee for next block, though the 'Slow' withdraw option is a batch transaction and the fee charged is likely based off of a future estimate for when the transaction was sent. It would make little sense for any algorithm to assume that 120 sat/byte would last, and a more reasonable guess would be around 0.037 mBTC fee based off of the current charge of 0.034 mBTC.

Csmiami is likely doing this with malicious intent - the 'borrower' does not seem to know how Bitcoin fully works as shown in this post, and thus may not know what a reasonable transaction fee would be. It is a small amount, but I consider these actions untrustworthy.

That´s correct and i think i can learn a lot here on this forum. I will be around here so don't miss me!

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Quote from: Csmiami on June 25, 2019, 12:51:48 PM

Succesfully confirmed your payment request for 0.00270000 BTC to 388hFGeoMBFtUr4njtpEiNgUBVsTexUGge.

Enjoy your $3 profit Tongue

Csmiami used Freebitcoin's slow withdraw to return ArmandoComellas's 0.003BTC (minus tx fees). Freebitcoin's withdraw fees are dynamic, but fees have not hit around 800 sat/byte which would cause a 0.3 mBTC withdraw fee. A reasonable maximum would be around 0.05 mBTC (5000 satoshi), and thus Csmiami pocketed 0.25 mBTC+ (roughly $3 USD with current exchange rates). The 0.05 mBTC figure is a rough estimate based upon a 120 sat/byte fee for next block, though the 'Slow' withdraw option is a batch transaction and the fee charged is likely based off of a future estimate for when the transaction was sent. It would make little sense for any algorithm to assume that 120 sat/byte would last, and a more reasonable guess would be around 0.037 mBTC fee based off of the current charge of 0.034 mBTC.

Csmiami is likely doing this with malicious intent - the 'borrower' does not seem to know how Bitcoin fully works as shown in this post, and thus may not know what a reasonable transaction fee would be. It is a small amount, but I consider these actions untrustworthy.

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Quote from: Csmiami on June 25, 2019, 12:51:48 PM

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on June 25, 2019, 12:30:14 PM

I don't believe you mentioned suchmoon or her suggestion in the PM you sent to me. If you're insinuating suchmoon suggested you let ArmandoComellas twist in the wind for a couple of days before sending his money back, I could see her making a comment like that off the cuff.

Nailed it.

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Succesfully confirmed your payment request for 0.00270000 BTC to 388hFGeoMBFtUr4njtpEiNgUBVsTexUGge.

The payment will be sent out in the next 6 hours.

You may close this page now.

The funds are at my freebitco.in account, and the next slow withdrawal will be in 3 hours.

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There's some satisfaction in making people like him suffer for a little while

Yup, that was actually fun Cheesy

but life goes on...

Yes that's correct buddy, life goes on... So l can wait for my funds less the fees comes to my wallet in 3 hours.

Im learning a lot from you

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on June 25, 2019, 12:30:14 PM

I don't believe you mentioned suchmoon or her suggestion in the PM you sent to me. If you're insinuating suchmoon suggested you let ArmandoComellas twist in the wind for a couple of days before sending his money back, I could see her making a comment like that off the cuff.

Nailed it.

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Succesfully confirmed your payment request for 0.00270000 BTC to 388hFGeoMBFtUr4njtpEiNgUBVsTexUGge.

The payment will be sent out in the next 6 hours.

You may close this page now.

The funds are at my freebitco.in account, and the next slow withdrawal will be in 3 hours.

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There's some satisfaction in making people like him suffer for a little while

Yup, that was actually fun Cheesy

but life goes on...

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Quote from: Csmiami on June 25, 2019, 02:14:30 AM

Nope, I think I told you on a PM too; but he suggested something similar to your PM
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It was not my intention to keep the funds (at least for more than a couple of days).
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I don't believe you mentioned suchmoon or her suggestion in the PM you sent to me. If you're insinuating suchmoon suggested you let ArmandoComellas twist in the wind for a couple of days before sending his money back, I could see her making a comment like that off the cuff. I wouldn't take it literally, though. It seems kind of cruel, and I think suchmoon would agree.

Sure, ArmandoComellas is an annoying spammer and a would be scammer, that's obvious. He came here looking for a battle of the wits completely unarmed. There's some satisfaction in making people like him suffer for a little while, but I don't see the point in letting it drag out.

If you're serious about your lending business then you want to earn the reputation of being professional. Letting personal squabbles interfere with that can't be good for business. Just my two sats, for what it's worth.

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Quote from: Csmiami on June 24, 2019, 08:19:13 PM

So you are indeed abandoning a deal in the middle of it.... Cry

Hey Csmiami,

Im still waiting for the funds minus the fees of the transaction.

388hFGeoMBFtUr4njtpEiNgUBVsTexUGge

Aqui tienes mi hash.

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Quote from: Csmiami on June 25, 2019, 02:14:30 AM

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on June 24, 2019, 10:36:54 PM

Quote from: Csmiami on June 24, 2019, 08:48:05 PM

Suchmoon suggested another approach though

If you are reffering to this:

Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2019, 07:48:01 PM

Then send the remaining 0.027 and stop clowning around.

I don't think suchmoon believes that's actually gonna happen, and I get the feeling she was being facetious. If you haven't sent ArmandoComellas' funds back to him yet I think it's about time you do.

Nope, I think I told you on a PM too; but he suggested something similar to your PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on June 24, 2019, 09:53:55 PM

Are we seriously advocating for Csmiami to just steal his money? Say someone buys something from me, and sends me the shipping fee upfront and agrees to pay the rest after they receive the item. Before it's shipped, the buyer realized that they can't actually afford the item for some reason and need to spend their coins on living expenses or whatever. Am I then allowed to keep the shipping fee?

A deal was made, and ArmandoComellas backs out. Csmiami is not damaged by the action of returning their funds. (minus tx fees)

It was not my intention to keep the funds (at least for more than a couple of days). At first I was just really amazed by the whole situation, how absurd everything seemed post after post, repeating the 0.03 for 0.015 each time. It was quite a good way to gain insight on how these people work; because the moment he smelt he could get some blood (or money), he got so focused on it he just didn't really read the posts of his own thread.

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There could be an argument made to scam a scammer to repay the person they scammed, but as of right now ArmandoComellas has not scammed anyone, and while you could argue that they were likely to scam, thought crimes aren't reasons to steal money.

That kind of reminds me of this

Man really you have troubles in your thoughts, you need to take care about this not all people is like you. Remember the Thoughts are the reflection of ourselves (Subconscious). So im just waiting for my money back minus the fees they gonnna charge you. Than you Dude!

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on June 24, 2019, 10:36:54 PM

Quote from: Csmiami on June 24, 2019, 08:48:05 PM

Suchmoon suggested another approach though

If you are reffering to this:

Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2019, 07:48:01 PM

Then send the remaining 0.027 and stop clowning around.

I don't think suchmoon believes that's actually gonna happen, and I get the feeling she was being facetious. If you haven't sent ArmandoComellas' funds back to him yet I think it's about time you do.

Nope, I think I told you on a PM too; but he suggested something similar to your PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on June 24, 2019, 09:53:55 PM

Are we seriously advocating for Csmiami to just steal his money? Say someone buys something from me, and sends me the shipping fee upfront and agrees to pay the rest after they receive the item. Before it's shipped, the buyer realized that they can't actually afford the item for some reason and need to spend their coins on living expenses or whatever. Am I then allowed to keep the shipping fee?

A deal was made, and ArmandoComellas backs out. Csmiami is not damaged by the action of returning their funds. (minus tx fees)

It was not my intention to keep the funds (at least for more than a couple of days). At first I was just really amazed by the whole situation, how absurd everything seemed post after post, repeating the 0.03 for 0.015 each time. It was quite a good way to gain insight on how these people work; because the moment he smelt he could get some blood (or money), he got so focused on it he just didn't really read the posts of his own thread.

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There could be an argument made to scam a scammer to repay the person they scammed, but as of right now ArmandoComellas has not scammed anyone, and while you could argue that they were likely to scam, thought crimes aren't reasons to steal money.

That kind of reminds me of this

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on June 24, 2019, 10:36:54 PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on June 24, 2019, 09:53:55 PM

Csmiami is not damaged by the action of returning their funds. (minus tx fees)

Csmiami sent me a PM to inform me how this event transpired, and asked what he should do. I suggested the exact same thing quoted above.

My statements in this thread are purely in jest, and I hope that was obvious. Of course I would not condone Csmiami keep the funds, or even spend them in any other way regardless how noble the cause.

Thank you so much DireWolfM14 again. I think the best thing to solve this is if "CSmiami" return back my money less the fees because the netwok will charge him that fees for the comfirmation.+

Really really thank you bro.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on June 24, 2019, 09:53:55 PM

Csmiami is not damaged by the action of returning their funds. (minus tx fees)

Csmiami sent me a PM to inform me how this event transpired, and asked what he should do. I suggested the exact same thing quoted above.

My statements in this thread are purely in jest, and I hope that was obvious. Of course I would not condone Csmiami keep the funds, or even spend them in any other way regardless how noble the cause.

@Csmiami, you said:

Quote from: Csmiami on June 24, 2019, 08:48:05 PM

Suchmoon suggested another approach though

If you are reffering to this:

Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2019, 07:48:01 PM

Then send the remaining 0.027 and stop clowning around.

I don't think suchmoon believes that's actually gonna happen, and I get the feeling she was being facetious. If you haven't sent ArmandoComellas' funds back to him yet I think it's about time you do.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on June 24, 2019, 09:53:55 PM

Are we seriously advocating for Csmiami to just steal his money? Say someone buys something from me, and sends me the shipping fee upfront and agrees to pay the rest after they receive the item. Before it's shipped, the buyer realized that they can't actually afford the item for some reason and need to spend their coins on living expenses or whatever. Am I then allowed to keep the shipping fee?

A deal was made, and ArmandoComellas backs out. Csmiami is not damaged by the action of returning their funds. (minus tx fees)

There could be an argument made to scam a scammer to repay the person they scammed, but as of right now ArmandoComellas has not scammed anyone, and while you could argue that they were likely to scam, thought crimes aren't reasons to steal money.

Thank you so much DarKstar, finally an intelligent comment. I think the best thing to solve this is if "CSmiami" return back my money less the fees because the netwok will charge him that fees for the comfirmation.+

Really really thank you bro.

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Are we seriously advocating for Csmiami to just steal his money? Say someone buys something from me, and sends me the shipping fee upfront and agrees to pay the rest after they receive the item. Before it's shipped, the buyer realized that they can't actually afford the item for some reason and need to spend their coins on living expenses or whatever. Am I then allowed to keep the shipping fee?

A deal was made, and ArmandoComellas backs out. Csmiami is not damaged by the action of returning their funds. (minus tx fees)

There could be an argument made to scam a scammer to repay the person they scammed, but as of right now ArmandoComellas has not scammed anyone, and while you could argue that they were likely to scam, thought crimes aren't reasons to steal money.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on June 24, 2019, 08:43:52 PM

LOL! @ArmandoComellas, You just won "The most entertaining fuckstick on bitcointalk today" award. You win absolutely nothing. Don't spend it all in one place.

Hey Csmiami, maybe you should donate the 0.003BTC to Known Alts And Part Time Extortion thread.

Thanks for the award but im still waiting for my money

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on June 24, 2019, 08:43:52 PM

LOL! @ArmandoComellas, You just won "The most entertaining fuckstick on bitcointalk today" award. You win absolutely nothing. Don't spend it all in one place.

Hey Csmiami, maybe you should donate the 0.003BTC to Known Alts And Part Time Extortion thread.

I was thinking about donating it to Sea Shepherd (I have some personal thing for them), but helping the forum may work too. Suchmoon suggested another approach though

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LOL! @ArmandoComellas, You just won "The most entertaining fuckstick on bitcointalk today" award. You win absolutely nothing. Don't spend it all in one place.

Hey Csmiami, maybe you should donate the 0.003BTC to Known Alts And Part Time Extortion thread.

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