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legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
September 04, 2016, 05:25:34 PM
So Foundation needs to put 2 T

Nope, WE need to do it. I'll send 1 Ti. Can someone send the other one please?

edit: 1 Ti sent, C9VWMHFHUBJJHRTBVHFNBSOWNNVIZSVVE9JHLRZTLKEKELFCDTUZGJWYTAVPDTNMQHZFNPKX9FIVC99 99

I'll send the other

1 TI sent, hash WZZXUFPNVVYBUEGXNZHIMGRQUEZJVDLVZEOZYLHNQTTFRZR9NEIMGAMUYCBMDR9SUDEWSLIPWKOJB99 99

Thats realy a great and impressiv move msin and achimsmile !,, Thx to Luey! msin and achimsmile! you ve done it guys, my full respect to you and every single donator!!! (including me  Grin)


Amazing IOTA community, thx to all donators, its happening,  cheers!




sr. member
Activity: 532
Merit: 250
INDEPENDENT WEALTH MANAGEMENT
September 04, 2016, 05:18:15 PM
i think all this Iota it is complete confusing people! just carefull..
legendary
Activity: 1447
Merit: 1028
September 04, 2016, 05:16:02 PM
So Foundation needs to put 2 T

Nope, WE need to do it. I'll send 1 Ti. Can someone send the other one please?

edit: 1 Ti sent, C9VWMHFHUBJJHRTBVHFNBSOWNNVIZSVVE9JHLRZTLKEKELFCDTUZGJWYTAVPDTNMQHZFNPKX9FIVC99 99

I'll send the other

1 TI sent, hash WZZXUFPNVVYBUEGXNZHIMGRQUEZJVDLVZEOZYLHNQTTFRZR9NEIMGAMUYCBMDR9SUDEWSLIPWKOJB99 99

Thats realy a great and impressiv move msin and achimsmile !,, Thx to Luey! msin and achimsmile! you ve done it guys, my full respect to you and every single donator!!! (including me  Grin)


Amazing IOTA community, thx to all donators, its happening,  cheers!


legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1004
September 04, 2016, 03:21:36 PM
So Foundation needs to put 2 T

Nope, WE need to do it. I'll send 1 Ti. Can someone send the other one please?

edit: 1 Ti sent, C9VWMHFHUBJJHRTBVHFNBSOWNNVIZSVVE9JHLRZTLKEKELFCDTUZGJWYTAVPDTNMQHZFNPKX9FIVC99 99

I'll send the other

1 TI sent, hash WZZXUFPNVVYBUEGXNZHIMGRQUEZJVDLVZEOZYLHNQTTFRZR9NEIMGAMUYCBMDR9SUDEWSLIPWKOJB99 99
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
September 04, 2016, 01:30:42 PM
Sorry if I missed this in the whitepaper. But you cant be scaling well if everyone is monitoring every transaction. Necessarily. That is the problem that needs to be addressed for any decentralized ledger system to scale truly well. So the problem here is that what if someone sends you iota and you dont happen to witness that transaction. Does the sender personally send you a reference to the transaction?

You need to see transactions related to you and to your neighbors in an economic cluster. In Iota you don't need to monitor every transaction though.

And what of transactions out side of your "economic cluster"? Or is that just shorthand for saying: Within this cluster of nodes, even though each of us is only watching a fraction of the network, we are collectively watching the entire network and will inform each other if we see anything relevant to other nodes.
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1009
Newbie
September 04, 2016, 12:40:26 PM
Sorry if I missed this in the whitepaper. But you cant be scaling well if everyone is monitoring every transaction. Necessarily. That is the problem that needs to be addressed for any decentralized ledger system to scale truly well. So the problem here is that what if someone sends you iota and you dont happen to witness that transaction. Does the sender personally send you a reference to the transaction?

You need to see transactions related to you and to your neighbors in an economic cluster. In Iota you don't need to monitor every transaction though.
legendary
Activity: 1225
Merit: 1000
September 04, 2016, 12:30:40 PM
Where did the tokens come from that people are selling. Was there an ICO? How much bitcoin was sent total if there was?

ICO thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/iota-crowdsale-1262688
It rose ~400k USD worth in BTC, and one was also able to buy in with JINN assets (from the NXT asset exchange).
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
September 04, 2016, 12:25:18 PM
Where did the tokens come from that people are selling. Was there an ICO? How much bitcoin was sent total if there was?
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
September 04, 2016, 12:06:27 PM
Ok guys I think I'm convinced. How do I buy in?
if you need escrow i am here!!  Cool
ImI
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1019
September 04, 2016, 11:53:15 AM
Ok guys I think I'm convinced. How do I buy in?

So far only trade via OTC available.

https://iotatangle.slack.com/messages/trading/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1550236.0;topicseen

Take care in Slack, its easy to change names and scammers often try to fake escrow and dev accounts.
full member
Activity: 159
Merit: 100
September 04, 2016, 11:52:28 AM
Ok guys I think I'm convinced. How do I buy in?
you can have a look at the offers at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/iota-buying-selling-1550236
and ALWAYS USE ESCROW Wink
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
September 04, 2016, 11:49:08 AM
Ok guys I think I'm convinced. How do I buy in?
tyz
legendary
Activity: 3360
Merit: 1533
September 04, 2016, 11:47:05 AM
Really great depiction of the IOTA nodes. Is it possible to see the particular server IPs. Would like to check if my IOTA node is displayed, too.

If the display is right that most nodes seem to come from Germany / central Europe at the moment.

Spent some time on it. Added node display and node list.
http://iotanodes.org/





so kewl!
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
September 04, 2016, 11:44:26 AM
Let me start by seeing if I'm guessing on the right track.

It seems to me that the ONLY way you could scale to this degree is with a segragated witness style scheme. VERY VERY roughly it seems like the idea would have to be that each node will only monitor a small fraction of the total network, and any time you are interested in a transaction that is not taking place on the part you are monitoring, you will be forced to trust the consensus of the percentage of the network that IS monitoring the transaction you are interested in.

Am I on the right track?

Kind of as I see it, yes. Not sure about witness style scheme and security. Sounds like a weak point at first, but it's the strength and feature of the system. You can conduct transaction without having to know the wohle picture. Think of a little IOT-device sleeping 10 minutes, waking up for 60 seconds, checking something (sensor?), doing transaction, sleep again. Kind of an offline transaction. This could not be done with a blockchain because the device would have to be online syncing the whole time. Or it would need a thin-client server structure, like electrum wallet.  Plus you can do transaction without any cost whatsoever other than doing a little POW.

What came to my mind would be to setup some nodes in a LAN, separating them from the network via firewall, let them be on their own for 60 minutes and then reconnect them. Transactions should be valid. Not sure sure about coordinator needed at this point in time, but if  finalized, things like that should be possible.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
September 04, 2016, 11:40:59 AM
Let me start by seeing if I'm guessing on the right track.

It seems to me that the ONLY way you could scale to this degree is with a segragated witness style scheme. VERY VERY roughly it seems like the idea would have to be that each node will only monitor a small fraction of the total network, and any time you are interested in a transaction that is not taking place on the part you are monitoring, you will be forced to trust the consensus of the percentage of the network that IS monitoring the transaction you are interested in.

Am I on the right track?

For full nodes it's not true. The scalability doesn't come for free, you have to pay with increased confirmation time.

Right. Because in a traditional blockchain so many transactions are clumped togather, the security that you purchase for your own transaction is also a 100% positive externality on every single other party in your block. With a the "tangle" style chain the security externality takes time to propagate out. Its a logarythmic process but even those start out slow. The advantage being, however, that you don't need to concern yourself personally with every transaction. Only the ones relevant to your transaction. The ones that reference you after the fact up until the point that you feel satisfied with the level of security and the history of those units in particular to check for doublespends.

Sorry if I missed this in the whitepaper. But you cant be scaling well if everyone is monitoring every transaction. Necessarily. That is the problem that needs to be addressed for any decentralized ledger system to scale truly well. So the problem here is that what if someone sends you iota and you dont happen to witness that transaction. Does the sender personally send you a reference to the transaction?
full member
Activity: 180
Merit: 100
September 04, 2016, 11:36:39 AM
Why in http://bigdeal.iotatoken.com/ we are still at 40 Ti? I cannot see the 3 additional Ti
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1009
Newbie
September 04, 2016, 11:32:11 AM
Let me start by seeing if I'm guessing on the right track.

It seems to me that the ONLY way you could scale to this degree is with a segragated witness style scheme. VERY VERY roughly it seems like the idea would have to be that each node will only monitor a small fraction of the total network, and any time you are interested in a transaction that is not taking place on the part you are monitoring, you will be forced to trust the consensus of the percentage of the network that IS monitoring the transaction you are interested in.

Am I on the right track?

For full nodes it's not true. The scalability doesn't come for free, you have to pay with increased confirmation time.
legendary
Activity: 1225
Merit: 1000
September 04, 2016, 10:47:59 AM
So Foundation needs to put 2 T

Nope, WE need to do it. I'll send 1 Ti. Can someone send the other one please?

edit: 1 Ti sent, C9VWMHFHUBJJHRTBVHFNBSOWNNVIZSVVE9JHLRZTLKEKELFCDTUZGJWYTAVPDTNMQHZFNPKX9FIVC99 99
legendary
Activity: 1447
Merit: 1028
September 04, 2016, 10:28:13 AM
3Ti sent as promised, hash BWQIEGDPBZARGOQQKDVYMLFTTINSFEYUDZFOYMCUVMCVFMQJMHHSXCNCIRBXJZCBWTERCSJIWJENZ99 99
could not sent earlier, as was delayed due to client problems and my work.

IOTA 100% PERSISTANCE!

Fuck yes. Nice work Luey. 7 Ti left. I can't wait to find out the details about this thing. Does anyone know when we'll actually find out the details?

Better not expect too much. Iirc its not like some big company or something.

Greate!  Smiley

One guy at slack promised to send 5 Ti when we reach 45 Ti, and we are now at 43, thanks to luey!!!

So just 2 Ti and we 100% fund it  Roll Eyes

So Foundation needs to put 2 T and we ve reached that goal, right?, they can get it back from manually claims  Grin )
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1004
September 04, 2016, 10:18:15 AM
3Ti sent as promised, hash BWQIEGDPBZARGOQQKDVYMLFTTINSFEYUDZFOYMCUVMCVFMQJMHHSXCNCIRBXJZCBWTERCSJIWJENZ99 99
could not sent earlier, as was delayed due to client problems and my work.

IOTA 100% PERSISTANCE!

Thanks Luey!
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