You can send transactions without token? Intersesting
Correct.
Topic: IOTA - page 624. (Read 1473405 times)
But the machines should send iotas to use the tangle. No?
Yes. Or messages.
The bots are playing with your iotas?
Not literally. Tangle is operational for machines.
Nobody has Iotas token, the original Tangle is not launched yet.
On behalf of the machines I protest against using "nobody" to name bots which already utilize Iota.
No stress, we'll not reach the goals in few days. Lot of Iota owners don't follow the activity of the community. They'll follow when the crypto will be really launched.
We have to wait on the final version of Iota, because right now every thing is speculation:
- We don't sell real Iota, we only sell the promise to send them when Iota is launched
- The promises of donation are only promises. We don't know if people will send the token to the foundation or the "special deal" account. Some guys can be scamers...
Lot of people don't want to promise things for the moment. They have different reasons:
- They want to stay anonymous
- They wait to see what is really this Foundation and who manages it.
- They wait to know more about the special deal.
For example, I don't give for the deal before to know more about it.
We already have much donations for the foundation and we have already half of the Iota for the special deal.
But Iota is fictional. Nobody has Iotas token, the original Tangle is not launched yet. We have time for Foundation and special deals. We have to take our time to make things the best as we can.
We have to wait on the final version of Iota, because right now every thing is speculation:
- We don't sell real Iota, we only sell the promise to send them when Iota is launched
- The promises of donation are only promises. We don't know if people will send the token to the foundation or the "special deal" account. Some guys can be scamers...
Lot of people don't want to promise things for the moment. They have different reasons:
- They want to stay anonymous
- They wait to see what is really this Foundation and who manages it.
- They wait to know more about the special deal.
For example, I don't give for the deal before to know more about it.
We already have much donations for the foundation and we have already half of the Iota for the special deal.
But Iota is fictional. Nobody has Iotas token, the original Tangle is not launched yet. We have time for Foundation and special deals. We have to take our time to make things the best as we can.
If this deal is so important why CFB or iotatoken did not pledge any iota for the deal?
People could incorrectly interpret the situation if they knew what amounts we put into the deal. It's smarter to take part in the very end if the others think that you have insider info.
Ok so the 25 millions is without counting you on it, it seems unlikely it will happen...
Maybe the fundation could contribute and get some btc in return. Is Ludom the funder? What does he think about this idea?
I am the founder of the foundation. At the moment we're still quite a while from establishing the foundation at reached 50 million. Though we got quite some time left before launch, so I'm confident we can reach the goal.
As for deal, it's indeed more time sensitive, so hopefully more people show up this week that see the potential.
If this deal is so important why CFB or iotatoken did not pledge any iota for the deal?
People could incorrectly interpret the situation if they knew what amounts we put into the deal. It's smarter to take part in the very end if the others think that you have insider info.
Ok so the 25 millions is without counting you on it, it seems unlikely it will happen...
Maybe the fundation could contribute and get some btc in return. Is Ludom the funder? What does he think about this idea?
A couple of things:
Your assumptions regarding our holdings is wrong, while we of course have significant portions neither of us are on the very top. We did this deliberately to avoid a bad distribution. So far my contribution is making the deal happen, but yes at the end I will put into it too. However if anyone can open a similar deal I will likewise contribute a 5-10% to that deal, but until the foundation comes to life I am essentially working for free day after day to make IOTA grow, which indirectly make hundreds of other people richer, so I am very at rest with my own position and everyone else should be too.
You hit the nail on the head re: ‘market price’. This is what I hope people understand, currently the liquidity is so low that it’s hard to make any good predictions as to what the actual market price will be once it launches on exchanges. While everyone has reason to be happy about the current situation of demand for IOTA, they should not take it as a given. It’s the result of a handful of people’s work, if people want this work to continue they should pledge to the foundation without weighing it up to “How much is IOTA worth right now?”
Your assumptions regarding our holdings is wrong, while we of course have significant portions neither of us are on the very top. We did this deliberately to avoid a bad distribution. So far my contribution is making the deal happen, but yes at the end I will put into it too. However if anyone can open a similar deal I will likewise contribute a 5-10% to that deal, but until the foundation comes to life I am essentially working for free day after day to make IOTA grow, which indirectly make hundreds of other people richer, so I am very at rest with my own position and everyone else should be too.
You hit the nail on the head re: ‘market price’. This is what I hope people understand, currently the liquidity is so low that it’s hard to make any good predictions as to what the actual market price will be once it launches on exchanges. While everyone has reason to be happy about the current situation of demand for IOTA, they should not take it as a given. It’s the result of a handful of people’s work, if people want this work to continue they should pledge to the foundation without weighing it up to “How much is IOTA worth right now?”
If this deal is so important why CFB or iotatoken did not pledge any iota for the deal?
People could incorrectly interpret the situation if they knew what amounts we put into the deal. It's smarter to take part in the very end if the others think that you have insider info.
i guess it would be quite hard to perceive a "lost opportunity" if we don't even "know" what it is all about... 
really, after several pages discussion? This deal is not done deal yet. It needs to get enough coins pledged first. That is why David can't disclose the names and more details. It may not happen at all. The dilemma is that if you don't reveal enough information, people will not be interested and if you reveal too much information you violate the NDA and will put the deal in danger. It is hard. I think now we are walking on a thin wire on this deal. We might be already on the verge to break the NDA. The potential partners may walk away any time because of that.
to be clear, i understand your point, that's why i said that it makes sense, earlier. what i don't think is fine is what sounds to me like engaging in emotional blackmail.
Emotional blackmail, are you serious? I am simply stating the truth. What do you think cause adoption and appreciation of value of a software/token? It's hard work and strategic decisions. Look at Nxt, it was groundbreaking in numerous ways, yet achieved 0 real life adoption due HODL 4 LIFE mentality permeating the entire community from late 2013 to late 2015.
My comment about not wanting to hear any complaints come from experience, people tend to complain when they realize they have lost an opportunity, which I don't want to hear. Again: you are 100% free to make your decision, but you can't just sit there expecting to hodl your tokens and magically people will want to buy them for some dreamed up value without some BIG things happening. I present the community with big opportunities, if it doesn't take it (fortunately so far the overwhelming majority do take it) it can't complain either.
As I have invested in IOTA due to my trust in your team, I have pledged 100K iota for the deal as well but I am curious about few things.
If this deal is so important why CFB or iotatoken did not pledge any iota for the deal? Furthermore you know all the details about the deal so if it is really a very good thing for IOTA it is even more strange that you do not pledge... I guess you are some big holder so why not selling 5-10% of your stack for the deal? We are already at halfway so with your help we could be much closer to the goal.
Another point is not clear on my mind, when you say "selling under market price", as there is no exchange yet, how do you define marketprice and how much below marketprice you would like to make the deal? 5%? 50%?
Regards,
Hi yassin54,
Can you add me to your spreadsheet please
foundation - 15k
deals - 50k
my address:
QRAJ9KGTY9TYVSG9DBIZVWZPTQSURPZRPCLNYDUBBTAXBXLDQTCXMKKHDNVHJSA9ZDZBDNGYNDUFJBP VF
add!! Can you add me to your spreadsheet please
foundation - 15k
deals - 50k
my address:
QRAJ9KGTY9TYVSG9DBIZVWZPTQSURPZRPCLNYDUBBTAXBXLDQTCXMKKHDNVHJSA9ZDZBDNGYNDUFJBP VF
Thanks!!
Ive realy a small stake and a part is sold.
So 15k for the Foundation and 15k for the deal from my side.
add!! So 15k for the Foundation and 15k for the deal from my side.
Thanks
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