“No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path.”
― Gautama Buddha, Sayings Of Buddha
Topic: IOTA - Unmoderated thread - page 33. (Read 70768 times)
“No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path.”
― Gautama Buddha, Sayings Of Buddha
Sergey, you are trolling me again...
I'm not trolling you, I just have a well-developed empathy.
Ok, final time:
I already offered you a bet of 10 000 dollars to see if we got a ternary async processor by the end of 2016, you pussied out and didn't dare to take it.
So now I offer you yet another offer of 20 000 dollars to see if IOTA is vapor or not. Do you dare to take it?
Any other answer than "Yes, let's use X escrow service" will be met by 100% ignoring.
I already offered you a bet of 10 000 dollars to see if we got a ternary async processor by the end of 2016, you pussied out and didn't dare to take it.
So now I offer you yet another offer of 20 000 dollars to see if IOTA is vapor or not. Do you dare to take it?
Any other answer than "Yes, let's use X escrow service" will be met by 100% ignoring.
No wonder you don't, you don't have any academic background nor any experience.
I feel your pain, no doubt it really hurts when someone not having your academic degree nor your experience is much more successful. Maybe accept the harsh truth that the youth power > wisdom of the old. Buddhism might help you on the road to reality acceptance.
Sergey, you are trolling me again, but for the benefit of others, the IOTA scam is not a success story. Was the luring of money from the idiots an effective and efficient operation terms of getting the money? Surely it was in that sense, because you got the money, but getting the money via a fraud is not an achievement. (Having this discussion about success indicates what we are dealing with - normally you don't have such conversation, you can have this with only scammers and trolls). You can't put on your CV that "I scammed $500k from 230 idiots within 4 weeks and 5 days, and then told them that fuck off, you bought a software, hahaha" ... this is not what can be included in your CV - except if you present the CV to some other Belarusian scammers.
No wonder you don't, you don't have any academic background nor any experience.
I feel your pain, no doubt it really hurts when someone not having your academic degree nor your experience is much more successful. Maybe accept the harsh truth that the youth power > wisdom of the old. Buddhism might help you on the road to reality acceptance.
I no longer got time for you
Surely that's the case. That's why you monitor 24/7 when I come here to write something and then you show up to explain yourself. Pathetic really.
got to do some actual work
One of the issues among many is, that you don't do any work. No wonder you don't, you don't have any academic background nor any experience. Scamming the idiots with the help of these greedy shills is not a work experience, even if you are indeed effective in it.
Can I hire you as a lawyer altcoinUK? You are way better than all other lawyers in the universe. I will make a new token and pay you in it, promise!
You need a criminal lawyer son. You are a fraudster. Tough you are lucky, if you stay in Norway you will be shipped to a nice prison. Like that wanker Breivik who killed 77 innocent people, he has TV, computer, play station. Quite astonishing. You will have as well, but because you won't be isolated your tight ass will be penetrated daily bases by the horny prison population. Not that I have anything against gay people, we are not in the 1970s, just letting you know about your future sex life for that 4-5 years period.
Ahh, I have finally figured you out.
Your perpetual homo-erotic freudian slips tell me that you have been a repressed homosexual your whole life and now you just lash out. Don't worry man, even though you're past 60 you can still find someone on Grinder or something. No sane person judge homosexuals anymore. Live your life. Good luck, I no longer got time for you, got to do some actual work (aka: preparing flight to Somalia to escape your officers)
Can I hire you as a lawyer altcoinUK? You are way better than all other lawyers in the universe. I will make a new token and pay you in it, promise!
You need a criminal lawyer son. You are a fraudster. Tough you are lucky, if you stay in Norway you will be shipped to a nice prison. Like that wanker Breivik who killed 77 innocent people, he has TV, computer, play station. Quite astonishing. You will have as well, but because you won't be isolated your tight ass will be penetrated daily bases by the horny prison population. Not that I have anything against gay people, we are not in the 1970s, just letting you know about your future sex life for that 4-5 years period. Isn't it your fantasy to be a gangster or something ? Sometimes I wonder...
Some cleaning has been done. Next time don't quote altcoinUK, please.
Fuck off Sergey. My posts, deep thoughts, fine conclusions and spot on analysis were the only quality material of your thread.
Can I hire you as a lawyer altcoinUK? You are way better than all other lawyers in the universe. I will make a new token and pay you in it, promise!
You need a criminal lawyer son. You are a fraudster. Tough you are lucky, if you stay in Norway you will be shipped to a nice prison. Like that wanker Breivik who killed 77 innocent people, he has TV, computer, play station. Quite astonishing. You will have as well, but because you won't be isolated your tight ass will be penetrated daily bases by the horny prison population. Not that I have anything against gay people, we are not in the 1970s, just letting you know about your future sex life for that 4-5 years period.
But it was just told you above, David was trying to explain really-really hard, there is no investment, no asset. It was not a get rich scheme. Not at all. You bought a software. How can a purchased software be an asset? Oh wait, perhaps David sold a coin, because he also said he is already delivered a 20x ROI ... for the software ... which is not an asset not a coin ... but there is an ROI. Oh boy ... how messy is the pathetic attempt to mask the illegal financial security selling.
They are different perspectives. What I was talking about is from the perspective of a buyer. Actually each buyer may have a different perspective as well.
Yes, they are in the IOTA thread that tries to sell some shit to the idiots. In reality it is either an investment product or a software. It can't be both. If it was, c'est la vie, we sold a software and it is your responsibility to make it work - that's what David said isn't it - then there cannot be investment, ROI nor an asset. Such two entirely different propositions could only coexists in the head of a confused shill or in the head of a liar. Pick which is applicable to you.
Yes. I know that much, I'm asking if we may have a breakdown of exactly what goes where and what development costs are like. I'm curious, for example, what the balance between spending on Iota vs Jinn is like. Etc etc.
Would be nice to also have an understanding of the size of the team and what the burn rate is.
Would be nice to also have an understanding of the size of the team and what the burn rate is.
Like any other sane start-up we won't open our spreadsheets, no. But in general: with exception of salaries to CfB so he can feed his family, our burn rate remains very low, the biggest expense thus far has been the VAT tax to the Norwegian state on the software sale itself. (Welcome to the real world of business, you can't just put money in your pocket). Which is why I work for free, so that we can put the vast majority into Jinn development.
IOTA team still consist of Me, Serguei(Mthcl) and CfB. I won't digress this thread into explaining the Jinn team and roadmap, I have already stated that this comes post-IOTA launch in Jinn thread on nxtforum.
As for the roadmap of IOTA: last-stage of beta and then launch, help exchanges add it, launch new website and video.
From thereon out the adoption and marketing will be taken care of by the foundation and community itself, as was the plan from day 1.
Of course on the side of this is a lot of partnerships and marketing that we have been working on which will be announced mostly post-Foundation founding.
Oh dear, oh dear. What a stupid boy. The scammer thinks that calling the blatant scam a software sale and pay tax on the income save his ass. Oh dear. He thinks scammers and fraudsters don't have to go to jail if they pay some tax. Desperate and pathetic, like all scammers with no class.
Can I hire you as a lawyer altcoinUK? You are way better than all other lawyers in the universe. I will make a new token and pay you in it, promise!
Yes. I know that much, I'm asking if we may have a breakdown of exactly what goes where and what development costs are like. I'm curious, for example, what the balance between spending on Iota vs Jinn is like. Etc etc.
Would be nice to also have an understanding of the size of the team and what the burn rate is.
Would be nice to also have an understanding of the size of the team and what the burn rate is.
Like any other sane start-up we won't open our spreadsheets, no. But in general: with exception of salaries to CfB so he can feed his family, our burn rate remains very low, the biggest expense thus far has been the VAT tax to the Norwegian state on the software sale itself. (Welcome to the real world of business, you can't just put money in your pocket). Which is why I work for free, so that we can put the vast majority into Jinn development.
IOTA team still consist of Me, Serguei(Mthcl) and CfB. I won't digress this thread into explaining the Jinn team and roadmap, I have already stated that this comes post-IOTA launch in Jinn thread on nxtforum.
As for the roadmap of IOTA: last-stage of beta and then launch, help exchanges add it, launch new website and video.
From thereon out the adoption and marketing will be taken care of by the foundation and community itself, as was the plan from day 1.
Of course on the side of this is a lot of partnerships and marketing that we have been working on which will be announced mostly post-Foundation founding.
Oh dear, oh dear. What a stupid boy. The scammer thinks that calling the blatant scam a software sale and pay tax on the income save his ass. Oh dear. He thinks scammers and fraudsters don't have to go to jail if they pay some tax. Desperate and pathetic, like all scammers with no class. LOL he even paid tax.
Sorry altcoinUK can't reply, too busy escaping to Africa to evade your officers
[...] Send your details with quoting IOTA to either the Norway, UK, US or Russian law enforcement. Following our submission all of them have opened a case[...]
Show us just one copy please.
increase the value of IOTA, namely the value of your own assets. As investors, we all need to sit down and seriously think about how to make our investment worth more and valuable instead of just coming to BTT every days to ask questions and wait for the big news coming out and dreaming of other people working hard for this projects.
If you are not a whale, IOTA could be your last opportunity to become rich in the cryptocurrency world. Actually now you as an individual have a chance to make it happen by helping on the testing and the core team, searching, thinking, and researching on the real business opportunities and marketing strategies, getting IOTA connected to more programmers and startups and entrepreneurs in the IoT space , and many more.
If you are not a whale, IOTA could be your last opportunity to become rich in the cryptocurrency world. Actually now you as an individual have a chance to make it happen by helping on the testing and the core team, searching, thinking, and researching on the real business opportunities and marketing strategies, getting IOTA connected to more programmers and startups and entrepreneurs in the IoT space , and many more.
The IOTA shill (sockpuppet?) Tobo admits it was a token sell "to become rich".
But it was just told you above, David was trying to explain really-really hard, there is no investment in IOTA, there is no asset in IOTA - it is a software product. It was not a get rich scheme. Not at all. You bought a software. How can a software product be a coin asset with ROI in the same time? Oh wait, perhaps David sold a coin, because he also said he is already delivered a 20x ROI ... for the software ... which is not an asset not a coin ... but there is an ROI. Oh boy ... how messy is this, even Tobo shill/sockpuppet nick can't get his head around what was sold.
Your vision is hard to understand, you collected nearly a million dollars and you dont want to spend even € 10,000 for a decent marketing campaign.I dont want to open a discussion or do protest,but if you think in that way we are practically burned at the start.
I know everyone is impatient because iota did not launch yet, ofc there is not much visible marketing right now, it's too early. But I'm sure once it launches david has some announcements that will boost marketing by itself. No need to pay for thunderclap campaigns or signature ads. Btw what campaign would you run? Some articles on a crypto news site? An ad in a newspaper? A giveaway?
What iota needs are business connections. And use cases, which we, the community can do.
But honestly, let's put your statement into perspective: Imagine you buy a physical casascius bitcoin, and hope to trade it for more money later. Would you expect Mark (the creator) to launch a marketing campaingn, praising his coins, after you bought it? No. Because the deal was: 1 physical coin for your money.
The deal with iota was your BTC for tokens. The devs are free to spend the 500k for blackjack and hookers imo, after they deliver the software, which they will.
Warning! IOTA shill alert.
When an "investor" say it is OK the devs spend the 500k for blackjack and hookers, then everyone can be pretty sure it is either a sockpuppet or a shill. Never mind the shill say it was token sold ... not a software.
Your vision is hard to understand, you collected nearly a million dollars and you dont want to spend even € 10,000 for a decent marketing campaign.
Alright let's just get this straight once and for all as I don't have time to address this ad nauseam:
First of all I abhor dealing with people who just make up facts. 1 million dollars? We raised ~500 000 dollars, of which a significant portion was JINN tokens that can't be used to buy things. So nowhere near 1 million dollars, unless you have a cheque worth 500 000 dollars that you just forgot to give us? If that's the case then we can of course discuss how to use these 500K to market IOTA.
And 10 000 euro for marketing? The work we have already done in that regard for the past 5 months is worth far more than 10 000 euro. Why do you think IOTA trades at 20x its ICO price? That is the value of what we have already done. For free.
We said from day 1 that this is a COMMUNITY PROJECT. Otherwise we'd set aside a pre-mine. Why did we do this? Because we did not want people to become passive bystanders that don't participate, and to be 100% free from the cancerous mentality of people who think they own you because they bought software from you. EVERYONE knew this and EVERYONE agreed to this when purchasing IOTA.
No person has worked harder for your iota to become known and adopted in the world than me. I have worked literally EVERY day since October on IOTA, I have conducted tens of interviews, done all the branding and marketing as well as management of the project. I got tons of things lined up. So I am not going to sit here and listen to someone tell me what to do. You get the software you paid for and the additional boost from our work. You got no more rights than that. I absolutely despise how some people think they OWN people because they bought software from them.
The fine display of the pathetic struggle of a stupid scammer who try to mask a token ICO as a software sale.
First, you idiot admit that IOTA in fact is a financial instrument (albeit illegal one) and you delivered already 20x ROI. Then, you stupid fuck start the usual masking and pathetic lies to tell that in fact they bought a software. Which one is then you piece of shit? Is it a software which they need to make it work or is it a token which you deliver 20X ROI?
Don't do it oldman, you got nothing to live for, but you're entertainment for a whole forum, don't give up!
fully agree with this. The BTC raised in the crowdfound must be used for marketing branding and other important thing. You can not expect that this matter must be done by the crowdfound members.I know community and work group are important but the money you have raised are also important to do something.I have the impression that you're asking too much to the community! Which are already people who have largely financed you and your project.
No. You don't go to the store to buy football shoes and then expect the seller to also train you how to play football and ensure that you make it to the champions league. You bought IoT software, no more and no less. Not a single dollar of the money we raised were EVER said to go to marketing or branding, only the software. The work we have done for marketing, branding, adoption etc. for the past 5 months has been our volunteer work as community members. Remember we didn't even set aside a single iota premine to ourselves, precisely because this is a community project; if the community fails to deliver it is 100% responsible. This has been clear from day 1, so please stop being passive and do something.
Now we have setup the foundation initiative as a way for the community to CHOOSE if they want us to continue doing the marketing etc. but it's not something anyone will do for free. You did not buy some magic lottery ticket that entitles you to a ROI. Stop with this bystander effect.
Your vision is hard to understand, you collected nearly a million dollars and you dont want to spend even € 10,000 for a decent marketing campaign.I dont want to open a discussion or do protest,but if you think in that way we are practically burned at the start.
Cfb what is your opinion about this? You want to invest some crowdfound btc for a marketing campaign or we do a free campaign(!!) maded by someone chosen at random among IOTA owners?Some good Samaritan which had invested in IOTA and then donated them to the foundation and then work .... for free!(an ideal world but very far from reality)
Yep. Give up man. You were scammed. Send your details with quoting IOTA to either the Norway, UK, US or Russian law enforcement. Following our submission all of them have opened a case for the blatant IOTA scam. More victims and complaints speed up the process and get the scammers to prison quicker.
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