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velacreations

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Quote from: N_S on December 08, 2013, 01:16:04 PM

I don't see the point in asking the same questions over and over again when one knows the answer is unavailable.

Danny is unavailable? Why?

No, people should keep asking questions and put some pressure to get some transparency to the shareholders. I would think that if enough people speak up, Danny will want to clarify the situation.

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Quote from: velacreations on December 08, 2013, 01:27:09 PM

It's always "all or nothing" around here. Why can't we be shareholders AND expect promises to be kept? Why can't we invest AND ask questions about the operations? Why can't we hold shares AND get information on how our money is spent?

Shareholders should get the information that they were promised, it's as simple as that. And really, if Danny can't meet those promises, he shouldn't be making them.

You can! No one has said otherwise. Ask questions till you're blue in the face. My personal gripe with this is that when those questions are answered in a way you don't like, why do you keep asking or demanding some different answer. The answer we have is the answer we have. I just don't see the point in yelling about it.

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Quote from: N_S on December 08, 2013, 01:12:01 PM

Quote from: crumbs on December 08, 2013, 01:08:22 PM

Quote from: N_S on December 08, 2013, 12:57:42 PM

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Once again, I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset. They should be. As such, do what you feel is best. It's as simple as that.

People feel that it is best to voice their concerns in this thread, it's as simple as that. You, OTOH, seem to be saying that their only option is to fully divest and involve the authorities. That's simply awful PR, especially if someone takes your bait.

Fair enough. So you voice your concerns and don't like the answer you receive. Now what?

I tell you that your posts are provoking people to escalate this mess by involving authorities, and you ask "now what"?
If that's what you are genuinely looking for -- legal cases brought against your friends... i guess nothing, keep doing what you do.

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Quote from: N_S on December 08, 2013, 12:57:42 PM

Neo & Bee are trying to get funds back. Now, you're free to think that's bullshit, they're scammers, they're out doing coke off strippers, etc. It really doesn't matter. They as a company have made the decision to get involved. If you're not happy, then wipe your hands and leave it all in the rear-view.

It's always "all or nothing" around here. Why can't we be shareholders AND expect promises to be kept? Why can't we invest AND ask questions about the operations? Why can't we hold shares AND get information on how our money is spent?

Shareholders should get the information that they were promised, it's as simple as that. And really, if Danny can't meet those promises, he shouldn't be making them.

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Quote from: N_S on December 08, 2013, 01:12:01 PM

Fair enough. So you voice your concerns and don't like the answer you receive. Now what?

crumbs is merely here to entertain himself. Direct engagement is usually futile, he will often change tack on a whim. I do find it interesting, though, that les trolls-de-jour have chosen this thread over others. Possibly because Neo & Bee have started to make waves.

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I am in no way officially affiliated with Neo & Bee.

I am a shareholder with my own point-of-view. I have no responsibility for Neo & Bee PR.

Herp, here's the thing:

This is a situation in which one solution isn't going to please everyone. The questions have been raised and people are expressing a discontent with the lack of information. As it stands, however, people are simply not getting any more information at this moment. So what is the plan at this point? They can wait for another update or they can go about pursuing other avenues. I don't see the point in asking the same questions over and over again when one knows the answer is unavailable.

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I think you need to re-read what I wrote.

I don't think it's any secret that I'm a shareholder and have been out to Cyprus for a visit - I've been pretty forthcoming with both those facts.

The point is this: if you're unhappy with these dealings, or if you feel your funds have been stolen, sell your shares/don't buy shares and contact the authorities. Danny has voiced the exact same sentiment.

If Danny voiced the exact same sentiment, then him and you need to step back and let someone else handle PR because clearly you're a disaster waiting to happen. I hope you're wrong though and Danny didn't "voice same sentiment".

I don't believe this kind of dismissive arrogant attitude is doing anyone any favors imho.

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Neo & Bee are trying to get funds back. Now, you're free to think that's bullshit, they're scammers, they're out doing coke off strippers, etc. It really doesn't matter. They as a company have made the decision to get involved. If you're not happy, then wipe your hands and leave it all in the rear-view.

I don't particularly care about those funds since I wasn't invested in Bitfunder but I do care about Neo&bee associating with a potential scammer and talking down to the people who put them where they are now (the shareholders).

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Once again, I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset. They should be. As such, do what you feel is best. It's as simple as that.

I feel it's best to give you some feedback about the way you're handling the Neo&bee PR.

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Quote from: crumbs on December 08, 2013, 01:08:22 PM

Quote from: N_S on December 08, 2013, 12:57:42 PM

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Once again, I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset. They should be. As such, do what you feel is best. It's as simple as that.

People feel that it is best to voice their concerns in this thread, it's as simple as that. You, OTOH, seem to be saying that their only option is to fully divest and involve the authorities. That's simply awful PR, especially if someone takes your bait.

Fair enough. So you voice your concerns and don't like the answer you receive. Now what?

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Quote from: N_S on December 08, 2013, 12:57:42 PM

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Once again, I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset. They should be. As such, do what you feel is best. It's as simple as that.

People feel that it is best to voice their concerns in this thread, it's as simple as that. You, OTOH, seem to be saying that their only option is to fully divest and involve the authorities. That's simply awful PR, especially if someone takes your bait.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKW1rLayW5U

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Quote from: Herp on December 08, 2013, 12:43:48 PM

If you don't understand the frustration you shouldn't be involved. I've noticed your posts since the beginning of this thread and I can only assume you're deeply connected to Neo&bee on some level.

PR is an important part of the business and you have to understand how people think and the psychology behind it. The mere association of Neo&Bee name to a potential scammer can cause damage in itself, let alone anything else that might result from further complications.

I'm a Neo&Bee shareholder also and I subscribe to what previous posters said. I personally don't have much love for that Ukyo guy from the way he conducted himself in some situations, so you need to try and see this from a different point of view. I get the fact that Neo&bee can use that guy as personal slave or something, which is why he's probably in Cyprus now. Saying it's absurd for shareholders to be concerned in this circumstance is borderline insulting.

I think you need to re-read what I wrote.

I don't think it's any secret that I'm a shareholder and have been out to Cyprus for a visit - I've been pretty forthcoming with both those facts.

The point is this: if you're unhappy with these dealings, or if you feel your funds have been stolen, sell your shares/don't buy shares and contact the authorities. Danny has voiced the exact same sentiment.

Neo & Bee are trying to get funds back. Now, you're free to think that's bullshit, they're scammers, they're out doing coke off strippers, etc. It really doesn't matter. They as a company have made the decision to get involved. If you're not happy, then wipe your hands and leave it all in the rear-view.

Once again, I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset. They should be. As such, do what you feel is best. It's as simple as that.

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Quote from: N_S on December 08, 2013, 12:02:01 PM

Quote from: velacreations on December 08, 2013, 11:54:55 AM

You act like it is unreasonable for shareholders to expect clarification when promised.

I honestly don't. I understand the frustration.

It really doesn't help to have a constant stream of people screaming scam and acting overly entitled. Having personally met the team helping resolve this, I can assure you their aim is in the right direction. They aren't scamming anyone. They are making a concerted effort to get people back their funds. Give them some slack.

If you don't understand the frustration you shouldn't be involved. I've noticed your posts since the beginning of this thread and I can only assume you're deeply connected to Neo&bee on some level.

PR is an important part of the business and you have to understand how people think and the psychology behind it. The mere association of Neo&Bee name to a potential scammer can cause damage in itself, let alone anything else that might result from further complications.

I'm a Neo&Bee shareholder also and I subscribe to what previous posters said. I personally don't have much love for that Ukyo guy from the way he conducted himself in some situations, so you need to try and see this from a different point of view. I get the fact that Neo&bee can use that guy as personal slave or something, which is why he's probably in Cyprus now. Saying it's absurd for shareholders to be concerned in this circumstance is borderline insulting.

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Is this the best location to get investor updates on Neo & Bee? I'm not seeing much recent info in the "News" section of the LMB Holdings website...

velacreations

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Déjà vu: N-S defending the company. Crumbs, pannake, and I asking for proper clarification after a broken promise.

Smells like Labcon in this thread. In a bit, you'll see some dipshit suggest that we be ignored for asking the company to fulfill its promises and provide more transparency.

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It really doesn't help to have a constant stream of people screaming scam and acting overly entitled. Having personally met the team helping resolve this, I can assure you their aim is in the right direction. They aren't scamming anyone. They are making a concerted effort to get people back their funds. Give them some slack.

I don't think they are scamming anyone, but all I want are details that were supposed to be provided days ago. Is that really too much to ask?

And, for the record, I did give them slack. I waited for the Friday announcement with patience. It's now Sunday. That's all the slack I can afford in the bitcoin investment space, at this time.

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Quote from: velacreations on December 08, 2013, 11:54:55 AM

You act like it is unreasonable for shareholders to expect clarification when promised.

I honestly don't. I understand the frustration.

It really doesn't help to have a constant stream of people screaming scam and acting overly entitled. Having personally met the team helping resolve this, I can assure you their aim is in the right direction. They aren't scamming anyone. They are making a concerted effort to get people back their funds. Give them some slack.

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Quote from: N_S on December 08, 2013, 11:37:40 AM

Quote from: velacreations on December 08, 2013, 11:32:29 AM

Again, I ask Danny to give us a proper update that explains the details of this deal. In a typical, non bitcoin, business a deal like this could not be made without shareholder approval first. All we are asking for are details that were promised to us.

Keep in mind that when you purchased shares, you did so acknowledging that those shares did not come with voting rights. In other words, they don't need shareholder approval.

We've been told there are legal documents in place that prohibit Danny from explaining more. What do you expect him to do? Violate those?

Yeah, I know we don't have voting rights, and I never said we did. But, you know, if this company wasn't in the Bitcoin economy, Danny would have been removed by the shareholders by now. If his goal is to help the image of Bitcoin, he's not doing anyone any favors.

I expect Danny to do what he says. If he says "I'll give you details on the deal on Friday", I expect him to do just that. I don't know the specifics of his legal arrangements, it's his duty to inform us of those, not ours to assume what they might be.

You act like it is unreasonable for shareholders to expect clarification when promised.

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Quote from: N_S on December 08, 2013, 11:33:17 AM

Please note that this is a major assumption. Danny is, after all, a business man. Why don't we wait and see if it's coming at a sunk cost. At this stage, we can't say it is or isn't.

It's a major assumption to say otherwise, as well. I was waiting for the details, as they were promised several days ago. How long do we have to wait for people to keep their promises?

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Quote from: N_S on December 08, 2013, 11:45:28 AM

Quote from: crumbs on December 08, 2013, 11:43:27 AM

There is absolutely no mention of any legal documents. What are you reading?

And here:

Quote from: cryptocyprus on December 07, 2013, 06:20:00 AM

If you promise to support my family, following me making that information public at this very moment in time.
You will have to excuse the fact that I value my freedom.

I'm not going to hold your to help you read between the lines.

Let me explain how legal documents work, N_S:
The very reason such documents exist is to remove any need, or possibility, to "read between the lines." What you're describing is poetry and love letters, not legal documents.
*What i'm seeing is you assuming that there are such documents, and proceeding to make your argument from that baseless assumption.
**You would not even be able to tell me the parties to these presumed legal documents. Who is involved? Are these "legal documents" between Ukyo & Danny? Ukyo & the Feds? The Feds, Ukyo & Danny?
Why do we need to guess at all of this fail?

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Quote from: crumbs on December 08, 2013, 11:43:27 AM

There is absolutely no mention of any legal documents. What are you reading?

And here:

Quote from: cryptocyprus on December 07, 2013, 06:20:00 AM

If you promise to support my family, following me making that information public at this very moment in time.
You will have to excuse the fact that I value my freedom.

I'm not going to hold your to help you read between the lines.

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