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September 02, 2023, 01:09:24 PM
I mean this happens not only at casinos but everywhere.  Especially in Vegas, there's a lot of extracurricular activities that take place to induce someone to do this.  In Vegas this probably wasn't even a big shock.  This happens at sporting events all the time.  Dumb people do dumb things has nothing to do with gambling.
It's not even about being dumb, because a person who is dumb would do this when they are sober, but when a person does it when they are heavily drunk or drugged, you can't say that they did it just because they are dumb because they are not even in their correct senses at that moment, and whatever they do is not purely out of fun or they think that it will be funny if they do something like this but it is just getting out of control and doing such things.

However, I believe someone who understands that they do such ugly stuff when they get too drunk, should stop after a couple of shots so that they can stay in their senses and don't make themselves and their family and friends ashamed in front of their society and the whole world.

Well things are very sad , what happens is that if it can be as they say, if a Person wanted to go overboard and record this person to publish it and make it look bad, well I think it is very wrong, because a person who does the ridiculous with effects of alcohol 'because you should have a clear conscience and not record , or Record only for them, nor release it so that everyone begins to judge it, in a conglomerate of people I think that many or the majority have gone through processes where they have gotten drunk and, of course, some of them have lost their conscience, they do stupid things, but in general these things are not good, that is why the person who is with that person who has fallen into that painful situation, because they have to be aware of them all the time. Don't do anything stupid, because when it comes down to alcohol it's the one who can do it, and not the person as such.

In Las Vegas as well as anywhere , it's true that anyone can suffer this, so the friendships the person is with is very important because they can avoid this kind of thing, and obviously if things are like that in Las Vegas, well obviously you have to be very careful and if you are a person who is easily influenced by alcohol, it is best not to drink, sometimes you do not need to drink to be really happy and to give everything, that is something that can be done there are people who If they are not drinking, then they do not feel happy, they have to go to where the alcohol is at that moment because it becomes more uret in the blood and begins to get drunk, that is why a person like this should not drink, and if they do drink, it should be little , maybe a beer or something like that, but not to drink, besides that drunk Drunk he won't remember anything, and well he won't remember those moments except by a flash that comes to his mind, it's not something he'll do for sure, it'll be like It's a dream, I've only gotten drunk once in my Life , and the truth is I didn't like the Experience , because when you Fall Asleep you wake up all confused and the worst thing is not Remembering what you did.
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It's not even about being dumb, because a person who is dumb would do this when they are sober, but when a person does it when they are heavily drunk or drugged, you can't say that they did it just because they are dumb because they are not even in their correct senses at that moment, and whatever they do is not purely out of fun or they think that it will be funny if they do something like this but it is just getting out of control and doing such things.

However, I believe someone who understands that they do such ugly stuff when they get too drunk, should stop after a couple of shots so that they can stay in their senses and don't make themselves and their family and friends ashamed in front of their society and the whole world.

When the person get drunk,he doesn’t had a capacity to control their game in the drunk state.The people who doesn’t in the good state to understand what is happening and which you need to through,incase you are playing the card game.Only the people who use to drink will know the extract state at which the drunken person.The normal people who doesn’t drunk will get interrupt of the game,some people will criticise the people who use to drink.This is just to show that they are good and drinking others was not good.It’s not an good idea to criticise other based on their drinking habit .
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I mean this happens not only at casinos but everywhere.  Especially in Vegas, there's a lot of extracurricular activities that take place to induce someone to do this.  In Vegas this probably wasn't even a big shock.  This happens at sporting events all the time.  Dumb people do dumb things has nothing to do with gambling.
It's not even about being dumb, because a person who is dumb would do this when they are sober, but when a person does it when they are heavily drunk or drugged, you can't say that they did it just because they are dumb because they are not even in their correct senses at that moment, and whatever they do is not purely out of fun or they think that it will be funny if they do something like this but it is just getting out of control and doing such things.

However, I believe someone who understands that they do such ugly stuff when they get too drunk, should stop after a couple of shots so that they can stay in their senses and don't make themselves and their family and friends ashamed in front of their society and the whole world.
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Las Vegas is a city where everyone can be as if they are not themselves, do things that they would not do in another city, and I mean, of course, ugly behavior.
This city and the people who live in it every day see so much irrational behavior that they will not be surprised at all.

Well, if we talk about the complete madness that is happening there, then Las Vegas residents are much more likely to commit suicide than residents of any other city in the United States. People who visit Las Vegas are twice as likely as tourists who have visited any other city to die due to suicide, and this is terrible.
There are even excursions to places where people kill themselves most often. Where else can you hear about such a shocking phenomenon?
I won't dispute your opinion that in Las Vegas you can do all debauchery that you want but I believe that Florida would take the cake as the state that will see irrational behavior and people wouldn't bat an eye, although it's a matter of perspective, irrational behavior doesn't have any nexus, we just have a bias. Do you have a statistics on that suicide in Las Vegas? That's a serious and bold claim for such a sensitive subject not to mention that's off the topic of what's being talked about in this discussion.
I agree with the fact that casinos behaviour and character exhibition of gamblers are frawn at I some place but not every where you can still have some place that such attitude are not given a dam of it,  because it doesn't matter how drunk the gambler is,  he will not interrupt other gamblers table and if he does that it then means the casino securities will have to do they job.
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The Las Vegas casino was the dream of many gamblers and they like to play in that casino for once in lifetime.The casino with the drinking facilities was unique one,in most of the casino drinking will not be allowed to avoid of fight among the gamblers.So the gamblers only can drink outside the casino.But the big casino like Las Vegas,the drinking is allowed with the casino.Because the conducting people had a capacity to handle the people who drink.The casino should not allow the gamblers to have drink and come to casino to avoid of fighting.
We have different levels of casinos, but regarding to the one in Las Vegas, it's popular and have enough traffic from individuals who are playing and some on the queue just to gamble. It's a normal routine for some people, we tend to triggered casino gambling where's necessary without any hindrance or restrictions by laws. Furthermore, Governmental laws issued it to be legits for the public. Las Vegas casino happen to be one of the busiest place one could found themselves. Casino is broad and steady wagering from gamblers, popular in the space of gambling.
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You are right, people who do this kind of thing are not normal. Maybe that person has done a little more drinks. Unpleasant incidents are nothing new in Las Vegas. But what this man has done that is different level. It is not difficult to understand that he did not do this intuitively. However, the concerned authorities must take necessary measures so that such unpleasant incidents do not happen. It is also important to ensure that no one overdoes it on every casino platform. Otherwise the reputation of that casino planform may be decreased.
When someone has drunk too much alcohol, he certainly will not remember what he did or after he regained consciousness, will not know what happened to him. He would only feel dizzy from consuming too much alcohol. But when someone says what he did he probably won't believe it but when he sees the video evidence of what he did, he will be shocked. The same thing may also be experienced by people who act as said by @OP and he will also be surprised if he sees evidence in the form of a video containing his behavior.

But the authorities probably won't take any meaningful action because of his status in the casino. But for the security team from the casino, maybe they will just calm him down and try to contact his family to be picked up and brought home immediately to not disturb the people playing.
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I mean this happens not only at casinos but everywhere.  Especially in Vegas, there's a lot of extracurricular activities that take place to induce someone to do this.  In Vegas this probably wasn't even a big shock.  This happens at sporting events all the time.  Dumb people do dumb things has nothing to do with gambling.
In big casinos like Las Vegas, maybe this has happened a lot but not too publicized. Or maybe other similar things are happening in many of the casinos. But it was an action that he was not aware of, especially if the person's state was drunk, that made him do something like that. But it's true that stupid people often do things that have nothing to do with gambling, especially when they are in a trance or drunk. Casinos should pay attention to their customers who come to gamble at their casinos so that there are no incidents like this that can harm the casino with such embarrassing incidents. And it can also embarrass its customers when they realize it.
You are right, people who do this kind of thing are not normal. Maybe that person has done a little more drinks. Unpleasant incidents are nothing new in Las Vegas. But what this man has done that is different level. It is not difficult to understand that he did not do this intuitively. However, the concerned authorities must take necessary measures so that such unpleasant incidents do not happen. It is also important to ensure that no one overdoes it on every casino platform. Otherwise the reputation of that casino planform may be decreased.
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Currently the biggest casino for gambling is Las Vegas. There might be a legal system in place he would be punished for his bad behavior but the person usually got drunk and blamed himself here the casino had no problem so his family didn't say anything. These drunkards destroy their families along with themselves. A gambler's temperament is always marked by harshness and cruelty. The gainer becomes intoxicated with more gain and the loser becomes insane with revenge.
When you get high, the possibility you will use anything to gamble is very high and he might destroy everything in the casino if he lose all of his money. But the casino has nothing to lose since they can file a report and demand all of the possible losses because of him.

A casino want to make sure their gamblers will not do anything that will harm themselves, but if they're broke the rule, they must need to accept the consequence too.
Basically it is just a small picture of the present society the horrors of gambling addiction are more widespread. Various laws have been recognized in all countries regarding gambling and they have created laws in different countries to effectively dismiss gambling. But those who gamble do not flout the law and lose everything when they participate in gambling at a designated secret location. Casinos generally operate within their own rules and regulations but must be penalized for breaking the rules if he does something bad while drunk it affects his family.
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The Las Vegas casino was the dream of many gamblers and they like to play in that casino for once in lifetime.The casino with the drinking facilities was unique one,in most of the casino drinking will not be allowed to avoid of fight among the gamblers.So the gamblers only can drink outside the casino.But the big casino like Las Vegas,the drinking is allowed with the casino.Because the conducting people had a capacity to handle the people who drink.The casino should not allow the gamblers to have drink and come to casino to avoid of fighting.
Before online casinos were introduced, many people wanted to gamble in Las Vegas. But after online casinos began to be known and people could get various conveniences from online casinos, maybe it reduced people's enthusiasm to go to Las Vegas. However, surely there are still those who want to go there. And maybe in Las Vegas, casinos with liquor facilities are commonplace and can be found a lot, but that makes these gamblers have to be extra careful not to play gambling while drunk. Those who are drunk while gambling cannot control the game and may spend more money than usual. Maybe that's the purpose of the casino to provide drinking alcohol in its place so that people can also enjoy their short break from gambling and their time at the casino.

Indeed, this is a tough thing for gamblers because they have been provided with facilities previously not easy for them to find in other casinos. This makes them want to try it and of course, having a little drink is fine for them. So they thought. But drinking a little will provoke a second glass and gambling while drinking it will make them lose control and end up gambling too much.
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In big casinos like Las Vegas, maybe this has happened a lot but not too publicized. Or maybe other similar things are happening in many of the casinos. But it was an action that he was not aware of, especially if the person's state was drunk, that made him do something like that. But it's true that stupid people often do things that have nothing to do with gambling, especially when they are in a trance or drunk. Casinos should pay attention to their customers who come to gamble at their casinos so that there are no incidents like this that can harm the casino with such embarrassing incidents. And it can also embarrass its customers when they realize it.

The Las Vegas casino was the dream of many gamblers and they like to play in that casino for once in lifetime.The casino with the drinking facilities was unique one,in most of the casino drinking will not be allowed to avoid of fight among the gamblers.So the gamblers only can drink outside the casino.But the big casino like Las Vegas,the drinking is allowed with the casino.Because the conducting people had a capacity to handle the people who drink.The casino should not allow the gamblers to have drink and come to casino to avoid of fighting.
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I mean this happens not only at casinos but everywhere.  Especially in Vegas, there's a lot of extracurricular activities that take place to induce someone to do this.  In Vegas this probably wasn't even a big shock.  This happens at sporting events all the time.  Dumb people do dumb things has nothing to do with gambling.
In big casinos like Las Vegas, maybe this has happened a lot but not too publicized. Or maybe other similar things are happening in many of the casinos. But it was an action that he was not aware of, especially if the person's state was drunk, that made him do something like that. But it's true that stupid people often do things that have nothing to do with gambling, especially when they are in a trance or drunk. Casinos should pay attention to their customers who come to gamble at their casinos so that there are no incidents like this that can harm the casino with such embarrassing incidents. And it can also embarrass its customers when they realize it.
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Of course drinking someone else's drink is irresponsible and risky.  However, the guy was probably already pretty drunk or under the influence of drugs by that time, and as you probably all know, in this state, no one pays attention to whose glass he drinks from.  So this kind of confusion with drinking always happens at drunken parties.  Therefore, it is better to always drink alcohol from disposable cups and at the same time drink up to the end of its contents without leaving unfinished residues in a glass on the table.  But this advice is only good for a sober company, and when everyone is drunk, such advice does not work.  

As for the guy, he obviously became famous stupidly and I think that he will get off with just a big fine without more serious consequences.
I read somewhere that her wife or family said that someone actually mixed something in his drink and that is why he behaved that way, this drinking someone else's drink is something totally new to me and there was no mention of this in that news article. A lot of times, a cup or a glass doesn't only contain liquor but as you said, only a sober person can understand that they shouldn't drink someone else's drink that he has left without finishing it.

The guy was most probably pretty drunk since he was in Vegas and in a casino so he was definitely there to have some fun but he didn't realize when things got out of hand and he behaved so irresponsibly. There is a movie series based on Vegas and what kind of things people do after going there, it is called The Hangover.
Lets face it: trying to understand human nature is no easy task. Someone telling you he was on drugs might explain his "irresponsible" actions. It's simple to criticise from a distance. And for the love of God, life isn't a movie; talking about "The Hangover" as if it were a serious study of Vegas visitors' habits is ludicrous.

The act of finishing someone else's drink is the height of foolishness and a demonstration of the fundamental carelessness that characterises our species. Perhaps alcohol impaired his judgement.

And it is quite possible that this guy and even his close relatives are now just making him such an innocent victim and such an angel, as it were, to whom something was poured into a drink and he literally went crazy from it.  
The reason for this is obvious - to reduce the responsibility for such an act.  But in fact, it's much more likely that the guy is not such an angel who has never used drugs.  And the guy is such that sometimes he drinks alcohol and smokes marijuana at home, like the vast majority of the same guy in the age of a little over 30 years old.  

So here the police and maybe the court, I hope they will figure out his story and find out for sure whether there is a deceit in the fact that the guy is presented to the public by all his relatives, as a victim of circumstances and bad friends in his environment, who came up with such a cruel joke for this guy
If getting drunk then there are really things which we might be able to possibly do that we havent done before or with our entire lifely and this would definitely be depending on how severe that alcohol that you do have in your body which it would really be resulting on such action.If its been drugged then for sure there would really be some investigations that would be done specially if a certain person do knows that he cant really do such thing even hes been under the influence of alcohol which it is really just that right that it should really be fight for.Even myself i would really be able to know on what are the things that i have done or been doing even if im drunk and no one would really be that a fool on doing those kind of actions in public which is something that would really be bringing out that shame on their entire lives.
For those loved ones you do have then they would definitely be making out such concern on what are the things that probably happen that night or situation which there might be some involvement of being doped or drugged.
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I mean this happens not only at casinos but everywhere.  Especially in Vegas, there's a lot of extracurricular activities that take place to induce someone to do this.  In Vegas this probably wasn't even a big shock.  This happens at sporting events all the time.  Dumb people do dumb things has nothing to do with gambling.
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Lol... Not because of the news, because of your comment "...why do players do that..."

 Man!  You don't have a cell phone, you're cut off from the news, ah!  I don't think so, since you are the one who brings this "particular" news, then you should know that there are certain types of people who, when they adopt the character of a drunk, do this kind of thing.

 Ah, the place is circumstantial, weddings, birthdays, parades, graduations, oh yes, a casino then, Las Vegas + Casino is the theme of this board.

 Conclusions: gamblers always do this type of show and preferably in a casino and if it is in Las Vegas much better.  (Sarcasm)

 This topic enters the "jokes" board.

 #TBT surely for many this is a symptom of gambling addiction.
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Of course drinking someone else's drink is irresponsible and risky.  However, the guy was probably already pretty drunk or under the influence of drugs by that time, and as you probably all know, in this state, no one pays attention to whose glass he drinks from.  So this kind of confusion with drinking always happens at drunken parties.  Therefore, it is better to always drink alcohol from disposable cups and at the same time drink up to the end of its contents without leaving unfinished residues in a glass on the table.  But this advice is only good for a sober company, and when everyone is drunk, such advice does not work. 

As for the guy, he obviously became famous stupidly and I think that he will get off with just a big fine without more serious consequences.
I read somewhere that her wife or family said that someone actually mixed something in his drink and that is why he behaved that way, this drinking someone else's drink is something totally new to me and there was no mention of this in that news article. A lot of times, a cup or a glass doesn't only contain liquor but as you said, only a sober person can understand that they shouldn't drink someone else's drink that he has left without finishing it.

The guy was most probably pretty drunk since he was in Vegas and in a casino so he was definitely there to have some fun but he didn't realize when things got out of hand and he behaved so irresponsibly. There is a movie series based on Vegas and what kind of things people do after going there, it is called The Hangover.
Lets face it: trying to understand human nature is no easy task. Someone telling you he was on drugs might explain his "irresponsible" actions. It's simple to criticise from a distance. And for the love of God, life isn't a movie; talking about "The Hangover" as if it were a serious study of Vegas visitors' habits is ludicrous.

The act of finishing someone else's drink is the height of foolishness and a demonstration of the fundamental carelessness that characterises our species. Perhaps alcohol impaired his judgement.

And it is quite possible that this guy and even his close relatives are now just making him such an innocent victim and such an angel, as it were, to whom something was poured into a drink and he literally went crazy from it. 
The reason for this is obvious - to reduce the responsibility for such an act.  But in fact, it's much more likely that the guy is not such an angel who has never used drugs.  And the guy is such that sometimes he drinks alcohol and smokes marijuana at home, like the vast majority of the same guy in the age of a little over 30 years old. 

So here the police and maybe the court, I hope they will figure out his story and find out for sure whether there is a deceit in the fact that the guy is presented to the public by all his relatives, as a victim of circumstances and bad friends in his environment, who came up with such a cruel joke for this guy
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Las Vegas is a city where everyone can be as if they are not themselves, do things that they would not do in another city, and I mean, of course, ugly behavior.
This city and the people who live in it every day see so much irrational behavior that they will not be surprised at all.

Well, if we talk about the complete madness that is happening there, then Las Vegas residents are much more likely to commit suicide than residents of any other city in the United States. People who visit Las Vegas are twice as likely as tourists who have visited any other city to die due to suicide, and this is terrible.
There are even excursions to places where people kill themselves most often. Where else can you hear about such a shocking phenomenon?
I won't dispute your opinion that in Las Vegas you can do all debauchery that you want but I believe that Florida would take the cake as the state that will see irrational behavior and people wouldn't bat an eye, although it's a matter of perspective, irrational behavior doesn't have any nexus, we just have a bias. Do you have a statistics on that suicide in Las Vegas? That's a serious and bold claim for such a sensitive subject not to mention that's off the topic of what's being talked about in this discussion.
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The point here is why gamblers do such shameless acts and what the rules of the casino suggest the penality for these acts. Do you think the gambler did it purposefully perhaps to become popular in the headlines  Huh

From what I read that he didn't do it deliberately to seek popularity, but as soon as he drank a drink he felt something strange about him and then he ran towards the casino and took off his shirt. The drink made him like that, he was hallucinating and couldn't control himself. So from this case we must understand what the composition of the drinks we drink, because it could be a drug that can make us hallucinate and unable to control ourselves.
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People show very unstable behaviors when they are drunk or high. Most of them would be ashamed to watch themselves after. It seems very funny also he being at bachelor party. I was like wha? hahah. Casinos would love drunk men partying at their casino for sure, instant profits for casino. But sad for guy I think he may be permanently banned from playing there. We should always drink responsibly and rather gamble without drinking.
It's not really unstable behavior, alcohol lowers inhibitions so that means that people act who they really are when they get drunk, of course they would be ashamed, that's a behavior that they don't like showing to anyone. They don't just love drunk people, they produce those drunk people, Las Vegas casinos iirc have the unlimited alcohol and cocktails as part of the perk of gambling in their establishment for that very reason. I wouldn't say permanently banned, maybe a suspension or something disciplinary, casinos don't like losing players that's likely to spend a lot of money and lose and if he's really banned, I don't think he won't mind because it's a bachelor party anyway.

Las Vegas is a city where everyone can be as if they are not themselves, do things that they would not do in another city, and I mean, of course, ugly behavior.
This city and the people who live in it every day see so much irrational behavior that they will not be surprised at all.

Well, if we talk about the complete madness that is happening there, then Las Vegas residents are much more likely to commit suicide than residents of any other city in the United States. People who visit Las Vegas are twice as likely as tourists who have visited any other city to die due to suicide, and this is terrible.
There are even excursions to places where people kill themselves most often. Where else can you hear about such a shocking phenomenon?
Wait a minute, what exactly are you saying?
You mean tourist who want to kill themselves, or should I say, commit suicide specially go to Las Vegas to do that? Hmm, that is really crazy and I don't think I can ever believe such without asking for some sort of evidence or prove.

By the way, where did you get such information from? Do you live in Las Vegas or have you lived there before? Or was this just somstories you were told and you believed it to be true without verifying to make sure the facts are true?

Well, if the latter be the case, then you has wrong to have believe such without verification, I know las Vegas is a place filled by alot of crazy people, but then, this you've said I've never heard about the city, or read about anywhere.
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People show very unstable behaviors when they are drunk or high. Most of them would be ashamed to watch themselves after. It seems very funny also he being at bachelor party. I was like wha? hahah. Casinos would love drunk men partying at their casino for sure, instant profits for casino. But sad for guy I think he may be permanently banned from playing there. We should always drink responsibly and rather gamble without drinking.
It's not really unstable behavior, alcohol lowers inhibitions so that means that people act who they really are when they get drunk, of course they would be ashamed, that's a behavior that they don't like showing to anyone. They don't just love drunk people, they produce those drunk people, Las Vegas casinos iirc have the unlimited alcohol and cocktails as part of the perk of gambling in their establishment for that very reason. I wouldn't say permanently banned, maybe a suspension or something disciplinary, casinos don't like losing players that's likely to spend a lot of money and lose and if he's really banned, I don't think he won't mind because it's a bachelor party anyway.

Las Vegas is a city where everyone can be as if they are not themselves, do things that they would not do in another city, and I mean, of course, ugly behavior.
This city and the people who live in it every day see so much irrational behavior that they will not be surprised at all.

Well, if we talk about the complete madness that is happening there, then Las Vegas residents are much more likely to commit suicide than residents of any other city in the United States. People who visit Las Vegas are twice as likely as tourists who have visited any other city to die due to suicide, and this is terrible.
There are even excursions to places where people kill themselves most often. Where else can you hear about such a shocking phenomenon?
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People show very unstable behaviors when they are drunk or high. Most of them would be ashamed to watch themselves after. It seems very funny also he being at bachelor party. I was like wha? hahah. Casinos would love drunk men partying at their casino for sure, instant profits for casino. But sad for guy I think he may be permanently banned from playing there. We should always drink responsibly and rather gamble without drinking.
It's not really unstable behavior, alcohol lowers inhibitions so that means that people act who they really are when they get drunk, of course they would be ashamed, that's a behavior that they don't like showing to anyone. They don't just love drunk people, they produce those drunk people, Las Vegas casinos iirc have the unlimited alcohol and cocktails as part of the perk of gambling in their establishment for that very reason. I wouldn't say permanently banned, maybe a suspension or something disciplinary, casinos don't like losing players that's likely to spend a lot of money and lose and if he's really banned, I don't think he won't mind because it's a bachelor party anyway.
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