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Anonymint - your last post contained 46 links.

That just shows how motivated and enthusiastic he is...

The "Yes" votes on this thread and the other one are surprisingly high.  Tongue

I did not expect such a high percentage of the readers would agree with me. I am accustomed to being far ahead of the crowd, and my views don't become mainstream until a decade after I start to capitalize on them.

So this could mean I have a found a filter (topic of Bitcoin and decentralization) for people more like me, and/or it could mean I've been much too slow to capitalize on these sort of macro-economic, geopolitical insights that I started contemplating after 9/11 and researching seriously since 2005.
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I think AnonyMint's posts can be used as entropy seeds.
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Anonymint - your last post contained 46 links.
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Listen to the linked Wesley Clark interview, I think it may change your opinion on the organized planning:


More pieces of the puzzle:

Listen to this audio to see in their own words how totalitarian the US government has become behind the curtain. Wikipedia says she was the prime suspect in the Benghazi fiasco which is part of this push Middle East towards the world currency.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/09/04/syria-benghazi-connection/

The Middle East recently announced a currency union.

My speculation is that key researchers within the NSA were tasked to create a crypto-currency that would provide for a global ledger that tracks all transaction activity, and this would also be a step towards acceptance of electronic currency worldwide. I believe the plan is to later take control of Bitcoin. I believe the NSA correctly concludes they (in cooperation with tax and law enforcement pressure on the numerous non-anonymous users) can defeat any anonymity in the physical economy and I don't think they are targeting the virtual commerce in the Knowledge Age yet (which is still non-existent to miniscule). When we get the Knowledge Age with anonymity, then they plan to move to inserting chips in the human body which can track everything we think, so they can defeat anonymity that way. Thus I see anonymity in the virtual Knowledge Age only working for while. The ultimate outcome is I think already predicted in Revelation in the Bible. I would like to find a reason to refute that prediction but I have not yet, because humans will always favor the power vacuum-- the Iron Law of Political Economics. Thus humanity will physically track down every human on earth and force them to take the chip or be killed. I don't know when that technology will be ready.

The global elite don't need to be superhuman (although they may think they are), only they need the power vacuum and the ruthlessness to maintain their web of power, i.e. assassinate any member who defects. There have been lower level "defections", e.g. I mentioned Carroll Quigley's book Tragedy and Hope.

I find it difficult to fathom how the personality for the top-down ruthlessness required being symbiotic with having a good will towards humanity. It seems more likely to be sociopaths with a creed and strategy similar to The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

I've read wild-ass hearsay (from a lunatic actress Roseanne Barr) about elite paying big money to masturbate while watching screenings of mass murders and rape of African villages. I assume you've also heard about the homosexual sex goes on at the Bohemian Grove between our elite such as Presidents of the United States, etc.. However these might be the lower echelons who are just pawns and need to be compromised so they can be easily bribed to force them to do what the upper echelon elite want.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/09/03/john-bolton-v-lindsey-graham/

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Meanwhile, the alleged closet homosexual who rumors on the Hill state he flies monthly for sex-junkets to Paris, Lindsey Graham

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/06/09/nsa-surveillance/

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It use to be only Santa Claus knew who was naughty or nice. Now it’s the NSA and they dress up as Santa who is now partying with $3500 a night rooms having a very good time. Not quite the Santa Claus we once knew. What about NSA employees blackmailing someone if they leaked something devastating?

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Rather the global elite attempt to capitalize on opportunities that arise from the order amongst the chaos of the universe. They also know the world runs in cycles. They would not destroy Armstrong (and probably pulled the strings to get him out of prison), because they desire to have as much information as possible and his work is important. I also ponder if my work is important enough that any such elite  might believe it is important to not destroy me.

Lets take a moment to walk into the rabbit hole.
Time for some speculating  Grin

Lets start with a few assumptions and lets see where they take us
Assumption #1 A global elite designed Bitcoin
Assumption #2 Bitcoin was deliberately designed to eventually fail
Assumption #3 This global elite is manipulating the world behind the scenes
Assumption #4 The goal of the global elite is to push us gradually into a single world government
Assumption #5 The economic analysis above regarding the rise of the knowledge age, the diminishing role of socialism, and the need for anonymity is correct.

If the above assumptions are all true then what logically follows?

If assumption #1 and #2 are correct then Bitcoin is perfectly designed to spark a huge interest in cryptocurrency without disrupting the underlying economy. Its spectacular marketing combined with the massive profits of the early adopters has brought the idea of cryptocurrency to the masses. Furthermore since it is designed to fail it will be self limiting with minimal long term economic disruption.  Bitcoin would thus be the equivalent of a hugely successful marketing campaign for cyptocurrency in general. It seems designed to spark and accelerate the development of improved successors.  

Releasing a perfect cryptocurrency with anonymity from the start would have been very disruptive as it would have grown much slower then bitcoin and thus resulted in extreme concentrations of wealth in the hands of a handful of early adopters. Instead, optimal efficiency requires the market to be primed to ensure early widespread distribution. No better way to do that then Bitcoin.

If assumption #3 and #4 are both true then the elite must be both incredibly intelligent and disciplined.  Furthermore as a group they are likely to believe both individually and collectively that their cause is for the good of humanity. It would take only a single defector to blow the whistle on the entire group and this is would but much more likely to occur if their designs were nefarious.  

If assumption #5 is correct then a single world government is not a bad thing provided such a government does not threaten individual liberty. Such a government (once the power vacuum is solved) will allow socialism to achieve greater economies of scale as gradually winds down in diminished relevance over time. Anonymity will solve the power vacuum.

Conclusion: If assumptions #1-5 are all correct then the power elite has essentially led us to a solution for the power vacuum (development of anonymous cryptocurrency was inevitable following the release of Bitcoin). They are simultaneously preparing the world for the gradual decline of socialism (via greater economies of scale through one world government). I would imagine that neither you or Armstrong are any any danger from them as they would be in complete support of your work.

First of all, let me be clear that I hope there is no global conspiracy because I would rather be competing against idiots in ad hoc chance than against an very powerful astute elite. Secondly, I have stated that it doesn't affect my plans much either way.

Personally I think we are dealing with idiots in ad hoc chance. I don't think humans are capable of maintaining such a conspiracy. Indeed for such a conspiracy to exist I believe you would need superhuman manipulation of human society by an external more sophisticated source. While the existence of such a culture or entity cannot be dis-proven, it seems more likely we are dealing with chance.


  



 

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All great leaders must have an audience. How else are they supposed to feel important? Smiley

We cannot all be leaders

Disagree. Maximizing entropy means we are all leaders in our local frame-of-reference. What you imply is we can't all be top-down leaders of others. Agreed and as we eliminate the requirements for such top-down organization, we will enable more people to be their own leader. Prosperity!


Armstrong provides his evidence for speculating that there is no global conspiracy.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/02/08/europe-is-a-basket-case-just-turnout-the-lights-now-save-energy/

I hope you can appreciate why I would never want to be provably the KEY developer of a such an anonymous coin. One doesn't need to break any law to be a target for assasination. The USA and Europe are not far behind in terms of having laws and executive orders to assassinate citizens without a trial if they are categorized as a "terrorist". I could see myself publicly contributing in a minor refinement bounty work role on such an altcoin, for as long as I am not the creator.

They understood a long time ago (see my link to the 1988 Economist article predicting a world currency by 2020), where the cycles were heading, to design the Euro to fail, to bring about the global crisis in order to require a solution of a single world currency SDR that the regional currencies will float against. Btw, the Asian Union is scheduled for full implementation by Dec 31, 2015. The 10 Kings (reqions) in the Bible is coming true. This is not complete control. They just understand how the power vacuum of democracy must move to higher economies-of-scale i.e. world governance and currency, while the chaos (entropy) will increase with greater freedom at the individual level i.e. end of nation-states, freedom to travel any where, internet empowering self-publishing and enterprise, etc as discussed in the last couple of pages upthread and the linked thread at the above quote of myself.

As much as I admire Eric S Raymond's prose and intellect, he rubs me the wrong way (as I do him also) because he as far as I can see he is an inconsistent hypocrite...

Some more evidence of his linguistic genius. I can't do that.

I can't post on his blog, so let me state my wild-ass theory here. Perhaps his mind has deduced the possible patterns of derivation of English and other derived languages such that he computed the only possible common phonetics of German by inverse derivation.
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All great leaders must have an audience. How else are they supposed to feel important? Smiley

We cannot all be leaders

Fair enough. Surprisingly I find myself converted.
Lead on AnonyMint I will follow you into the new world order  Cheesy

Some of us must content ourselves with being early adopters and with rounding out the rough edges in the initial insight.

Personally I will be much better off if AnonyMint's theories are totally wrong. I do well under our current system. Unfortunately, I think he is right so it is only prudent to plan for the future
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CoinCube, I think families should do that safety net, otherwise there isn't much incentive to value the elderly, youth, and family unit, as we see now with the boomers and socialism throwing the youth under the bus. Beyond that, private individuals can provide charity. I do it regularly. Community spirit seems to be least where socialism is greatest, because who needs the community when you can get your backstop impersonally from the faceless monolith. Having to be humble and beg personally (as I have done at times in my life) eliminates most of the abuse and provides a strong incentive to be self-reliant.

In any case, I thought I would end this thread on a high note, as it seems while browsing facebook I found the secret of the universe (if you can't see the following image, you may need to be logged in on facebook first):



Did someone say I was working on an altcoin?



Maybe I've been doing too much of this:

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   -it sent a chill down my spine - it reminded me of Marlon Brando's Kurtz issuing instruction to Martin Sheen in Apocolypse Now.
    

Ha ha I like you practicaldreamer. I think your heart is in the right place and your funny.

If you really believe I am a figment of Anonymint's imagination I am happy to place a small wager on that. Say one bitcoin perhaps?

I would point out that our end goal's might be more similar then you think. Both of us want society to provide a safety net to the needy and less fortunate (see my Defense of Socialism)

The difference between us is that I believe the status quo is taking us to a very bad outcome and you apparently think all is well in the world.

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The simple inherit folly, but the prudent are crowned with knowledge. - Proverbs 14:18

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If you agree, hopefully you can help teach and spread these concepts, perhaps also further developing theories on the ramifications.

I believe the best next step is to condense your ideas into a single paper and publish them in the peer reviewed economics literature. If you are interested I am willing to help write this up and publish it with you as primary author and myself as second.

I have gone through this process in the medical literature a few times. However, I would not be able to do this until late April as I have some time sensitive projects to complete before I could give this the attention it deserves.

It is my opinion that this economic theory is not anarchism. This is something better... this is something new.




Wouldn't this sort of "love in" be better suited to private message ? I mean - why share it with us all ?

You aren't the same person after all are you ? I hope you don't think I'm Rudolph Hess for suggesting it  Cheesy

And I've got to be honest - when I read this :-
 
If you agree, hopefully you can help teach and spread these concepts, perhaps also further developing theories on the ramifications.

   -it sent a chill down my spine - it reminded me of Marlon Brando's Kurtz issuing instruction to Martin Sheen in Apocolypse Now.

    
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Still following this (though having to skim AnonyMint's posts, since they are still way too big with way more words than needed to get the point accross).

I'm wondering, what ever happened to AnonyMint's cryptocurrency he was working on? It was supposed to be ASIC resistant and be democratically mined on people's computers, but he did not want to share how it would work because he didn't want anyone stealing his idea or something. Well, Ethereum just came out with a few ideas and are looking for more. Maybe AnonyMint can help them out?
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I will also be very busy in the interim. Wink

http://blog.mpettis.com/2014/01/will-the-reforms-speed-growth-in-china/#comment-13827

There is no actual “control” over the economy. For if that were really the case, we would not see this continual need for bailouts. Many want to constantly paint this as a conspiracy, but it is only a conspiracy with a short-term view that never changes – how much can we make right now. This is why the business cycle builds in intensity until the whole thing explodes in 2032. What kind of government we end up with after that will either be some form of totalitarianism or a real democracy. That requires education of the masses to at least identify the issue. Government will point their finger at the “rich” and others will target the “bankers” and that will lead to the “Jews” and you can see precisely how things like Hitler become possible.
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If you agree, hopefully you can help teach and spread these concepts, perhaps also further developing theories on the ramifications.

I believe the best next step is to condense your ideas into a single paper and publish them in the peer reviewed economics literature. If you are interested I am willing to help write this up and publish it

I have gone through this process in the medical literature a few times. However, I would not be able to do this until late April as I have some time sensitive projects to complete before I could give this the attention it deserves.

It is my opinion that this economic theory is not anarchism. This is something better... this is something new.

Edit: Actually publishing this would be much easier with a Ph.D economist (perhaps as primary author) to bring it into harmony with their existing literature.


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CoinCube, excellent summary. We are now entirely in agreement.

However, note it appears that the socialism will attempt to overshoot before it stabilizes in diminishing role. I don't know if anonymity will rise sufficiently fast enough to provide extensive relief from (and thus limit) this overshoot.

I recently had the epipheny upthread (see quote below) that the coming world government and world currency are a way to increase the economy-of-scale of the diminishing socialism component, so it can survive and be more efficient. This insight is similar to the logic I applied in 2010 to predict the European Union would not disintegrate. Note the developing world is still predominately physical (not knowledge) economies.

If you agree, hopefully you can help teach and spread these concepts, perhaps also further developing theories on the ramifications.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4701370

Remember my thesis (see above linked related thread) is the Industrial Age is dying. Yes they will tax the physical capital age into the dust bin of history right on time with its destruction and replacement by the coming Knowledge Age.

My hope (and I am nearly sure) they won't be able to tax the Knowledge Age. This will eventually lead perhaps to a chip embedded into everyone's body to break the anonymity. I realize what I proposing could potentially forestall the 666 but actually drive the requirement to put the RFID tracking in the body where it can even monitor the brain signals.

Thus I am technologically threatening the power vacuum at its source of funding, which I think it the only way it can be defeated. This is a radical paradigm shift.

Naturally people will avoid anonymity because it is a hassle and it runs counter to their ideals of a society. But as those who don't go anonymous are taxed to death (literally!), then we will have remaining those who adopted anonymity. Hopefully eventually the crisis bottoms and we can come back to saner society where the anonymity is accepted and built-in to every thing so it is no burden.
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I posit that socialism is both inevitable and necessary.

I posit socialism is a relic that will no longer be needed

We have both thesis and antithesis. Lets see if synthesis can be achieved.

I agree with your economic analysis above.
We also agree that failure to converge to an optima will occur if a dynamic system is entirely unconstrained.

You state that socialism cannot provide this constraint because of the power vacuum. You likewise argue that for similar reasons socialism cannot be used to smooth the fitness curve.

However, I contend that you have already proposed a working solution to the power vacuum (anonymous cryptocurrency). The iron law of political economics aka power vacuum breaks down once governments lose the ability to debase the currency.

In a post fiat Knowledge Era government would be forced to live on a fixed income (taxation of the physical economy). Government can try to increase taxes on the physical economy but this would be self limiting once the ability to debase the currency is lost.  Socialism would thus be limited in size to a portion of the physical economy. With the power vacuum solved socialism is freed to play its proper role of required constraint on the dynamic system and smoothing of the fitness curve.

Nothing in your analysis presented so far demonstrates that the physical economy must shrink in absolute size. You have only shown that it must progressively shrink in relative size. It is entirely possible that both the physical economy and the resources consumed by socialism will continuously grow while simultaneously fading into insignificance.

If you argue for the complete death of socialism then some other model/social contract will be needed to provide our required constraint. Any system developed is likely to look a lot like socialism.

As this is your fundamental insight we are exploring it is only polite not to claim the last word. I will now bow out and leave it to you.







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I reply one more time, because I want to share this link about what Hitler did that was initially perceived as a great accomplishment for the people.


Also I didn't expect CoinCube would miss my point that the needs for socialism have diminished. We needed socialism because we lived in physical challenges in agricultural and industrial ages. But this is all going to change so radically now. I don't think you all are comprehending how thoroughly this Knowledge Age will alter society.

CoinCube, I appreciate your efforts and the points you raised. Indeed I agree with you about the abstract math and model of adaptation, but I think you are misapplying it w.r.t. socialism and incorrect about the utility of socialism in the knowledge age. I think humans were stuck with this form of society (after tribalism) during the physical ages, but now we move to virtual reality age (where the most value will be produced).

CoinCube, we both agree that failure to converge will occur if a dynamic system is entirely undamped aka unconstrained, because the actions of the individual actors will not find any (or sufficient) mutual information aka coherence.

However, I did not propose 100% anarchism. I have stated numerous times that even with a decentralized, anonymous currency the government can continue to tax businesses that have a physical presence, which provides for a transition period from now to 2032. Beyond 2032, there will still be frictional barriers in the Knowledge Age that give rise to corporations, yet I believe these will be leaner and smaller because knowledge can spread fast to competitors with positive scaling laws without a need for slow (non-specialized, dimwitted, entrenched, vested interests) stored capital as in the industrial age, thus self-limiting not leading to monopolies, cartels, and fascism. Socialism does not smooth fitness rather defeats fitness (e.g. retards technological adaptation, c.f. the repeating 78 year technological unemployment cycle and Oxford's prediction of 47% job displacement coming) because the Coasian barriers increase over time without limit (until society is destroyed, tax exceeds the Laffer limit) due the power vacuum.

As far as I can see, large scale socialism (not Dunbar congruent tribalism or family clans) was necessary only because we had no other way to provide physical security for industry and rebalance capital allocation away from tycoons who would otherwise concentrate all capital in the industrial age (because rich spend fraction of their income on consumption whereas middle class consume a significant chunk of their income, and the rich can capture the government). We now have a new technology to do this, thus I posit socialism is a relic that will no longer be needed once society adjusts to the knowledge age.

Agriculture did not flourish until both roads and physical security were developed. Being naturally bound together in collectives to effect these necessary requirements. The Knowledge Age changes the requirements. Roads and physical security become irrelevant when everything it is by wire virtual reality. A ha! The epiphany should hit you now.

Blabberlicious, my point was Eric should respect my emotions as not irrational because they play a role in evolutionary fitness and he is an inconsistent hyprocrite for (standing on a high horse of 100% rationality and) wanting anarchism (aka individualism) and simultaneously calling for a strong US military (government) and (tax) funding of weapons to change the cultures he doesn't like top-down. I have no anarchist criticism of "do good" Westerners after the $150 trillion is written down and they are thus funding that from their own individual sweat, not other people's money which was stolen with taxes & debt gone wild. Debt = future taxation, as all you westerners will soon see. You do realize you all will be paying the $150 trillion don't you?

That is perhaps unless you buy+mine the anonymous coin anonymously. Wink

Disclaimer: I am not a professional tax and investment adviser. Please consult yours. Do not hold me responsible for your actions, as I am not providing advice. Rather I am merely sharing my opinions.


The 1988 Economist magazine article predicted the unveiling of the one-world global currency in 2018. Looks like the elite are right on track with their plan.

http://www.oldthinkernews.com/2007/05/euus-single-market-next-stage-in-bilderbergtrilateral-plan-for-world-government/
https://www.google.com/search?q=phoenix+2018





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I’m 31, and like most graduates of graduate schools, I have student loans.

1) What will happen to our generation who seem to be getting more and more stuck in student loan debt, which is backed by the federal government?  Will the government forgive it?  Or will we just be a generation in bondage, as American higher education is the most expensive it has ever been in history?

2) Furthermore – did the Roman Empire do anything similar to the younger generation to enslave them in debt?

As far as debt – this has NEVER been done to a generation to my knowledge. It is part of the New Deal – Marxist-Socialistic agenda that sounded good, but in the end, it is proving to be a total disaster.

One example with student debt that has proven devastating comes from Britain. The government needed cash so they sold all student loans for 25%. The government got cash and totally screwed the students. Now private companies are out trying to collect 100% of what is owed. The government never gave the students the ability to pay off their loans at 25% of their face value. Students are being hunted down even when they live in foreign lands. Wherever they are,  they are being hunted down by debtor collectors.

The entire system of education is a disaster. It is bloated with nonsense and has proven to be a failure with not just 60% unable to find jobs in what they paid for, but the debts they have amassed are burdensome and is reducing their standard of living going forward.
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So what is the informational value of the collective (aka socialism) which appears to me to be chains on our individual ankles? What do we lose by discarding it so that individuals can optimize more freely?

I posit that your analysis undervalues the utility of socialism.

I agree that socialism currently has negative utility. As you stated the power vacuum is pushing us towards every greater socialism and setting us up for collapse. It is a system out of balance. However, some degree of socialism is needed to find optimal fitness.

Socialism and anarchism are in constant opposition. Anarchism is needed to combat the evils/suboptimal outcomes of unrestrained socialism as you have convincingly demonstrated. However, socialism is likewise needed to combat the evils/suboptimal outcomes of unrestrained anarchism.

The informational value of socialism is that it smooth’s the fitness curve. Anarchy if left unchecked results in an ever steeper curve. This has been shown to reduce the rate of evolution/change as it forces convergence onto the nearest local valley or local optima.

http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000187

Thus unrestrained anarchism increases short term fitness at the cost of long term optimization/adaptation. To borrow from your corporation analogy the proper role of socialism is to help ensure trailblazers survive long enough to eliminate the economic friction. In a landscape with an extremely steep fitness curve those individuals may not survive or succeed (crossing those barriers involves significant cost). We can get stuck in a higher valley (of the N dimensional solution space).    

In its most extreme form anarchism can drive the entropy of society past the Error Threshold at which point information is destroyed rather than created.  A madmax outcome is indeed possible. It would arise from the death throes of excessive socialism. Like a spring pushed too far in one direction a system trying to find equilibrium is likely to overshoot in the opposite direction when the unstable order dissolves. In the industrial era the backlash lead to communism. The collapse of socialism may lead us to pure anarchy = madmax.

So we are really looking for is congruence or harmony (aka resonance and I have written about this w.r.t. to potential energy and even explored Tesla's work) but if we can't eliminate all necessary barriers then increased degrees-of-freedom in one sub-area might be suboptimal, ineffective, or perhaps counter-productive.

This is the key point. Unrestrained anarchism does not eliminate all necessary barriers. Instead it forces conformity to the nearest local optima effectively raising barriers to distant more global optima. I am an anarchist currently because the solutions of anarchy including anonymous cryptocurrency are what is needed to restore balance in our era. Had I been around at the dawn of the industrial revolution I would have been a socialist.
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