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Since this thread has been up, Ashish posted then deleted a tweet on Twitter pertaining to his connection to Satoshi, and http://hashcash.com/ no longer redirects to http://neomailbox.com/ currently depicting a page with...

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Coming soon...

If you're looking for Adam Back's Hashcash project, it's here...

dun dun dunnnnn
Dramatic...
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Since this thread has been up, Ashish posted then deleted a tweet on Twitter pertaining to his connection to Satoshi

So what did the tweet say if you still have it.. enciphering minds need to know!  (and undetweetable.com says they've been asked to shutdown).

Adam


Here you go, Adam.

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Well, doubt he would have admitted it anyways Smiley

Following leads from Ashish's last tweet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atul_Chitnis

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Atul Chitnis (February 20, 1962 – June 3, 2013) was a German-born Indian consulting technologist. He was also the founder of FOSS.IN[1] (formerly Linux Bangalore), which was one of Asia's largest free and open source software (FOSS) conferences.

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Chitnis, along with other sysops including Ashish Gulhati, Kishore Bhargava, and Suchit Nanda, created an online campaign — the first of its kind in the Indian subcontinent — spreading via the various BBSs that had just begun spreading in India.
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Since this thread has been up, Ashish posted then deleted a tweet on Twitter pertaining to his connection to Satoshi

So what did the tweet say if you still have it.. enciphering minds need to know!  (and undetweetable.com says they've been asked to shutdown).

Adam
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WTF???
Since this thread has been up, Ashish posted then deleted a tweet on Twitter pertaining to his connection to Satoshi, and http://hashcash.com/ no longer redirects to http://neomailbox.com/ currently depicting a page with...

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Coming soon...

If you're looking for Adam Back's Hashcash project, it's here...

dun dun dunnnnn
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Since this thread has been up, Ashish posted then deleted a tweet on Twitter pertaining to his connection to Satoshi, and http://hashcash.com/ no longer redirects to http://neomailbox.com/ currently depicting a page with...

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Coming soon...

If you're looking for Adam Back's Hashcash project, it's here...
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Proof that Ashish worked on Hashcash: http://web.archive.org/web/20070111153902/http://www.netropolis.org/hash/blog.cgi/About/CV.html?seemore=y

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Meng Weng Wong's TextAmp
Adam Back's HashCash

Its strange because as far as I can tell Ashish did not contribute to the hashcash library (and there were a few dozen people did).  Actually I had no idea who Ashish was other than the owner of hashcash.org (.com, .net) until reading this thread to realize he sounds like a pretty interesting open source crypto hacker and even involved with ecash related things at DMT which I was barely aware of though I had read some of the late J Orlin Grabbe's libertarian articles in the distant past.  I didnt realize he was an economist (see his wikipedia).

edit: Actually its not ambiguous the heading of the section on the above link is "As Seen On..." and includes sections for TV, news, magazines, and... code that mentions his name.  And hashcash certainly did that in the context of his giving the domain name, gratis.

Ashish did give me the domain - I think I offered $100 to have a better .org domain for the opensource project.  His counter-offer to give it to me was a pleasant surprise.  He got me to make a PGP signed statement saying I wouldnt try to obtain hashcash.com nor hashcash.net.  I notice now hashcash.net is for sale by one of those resellers so maybe he accidentally didnt renew it.

The speculations about Ashish personality to be eschewing financial reward are interesting (re $100m of unclaimed BTC on the block chain).  I dont know Ashish so I cant help there.  But it is interesting that there are some cultures and religions that do intentionally forgo financial reward, and shy away from shows of wealth etc.  I noticed some indian sub-cultures have that, but they are certainly not alone.  Ashish apparently was/is involved in open source, and interesting projects like DMT where presumably most of the interest is the technology purist, or political freedom potential.

Adam

Awesome. Thanks for your contribution. To both this thread and for inventing hashcash(aka bitcoin mining for those not familiar).
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Proof that Ashish worked on Hashcash: http://web.archive.org/web/20070111153902/http://www.netropolis.org/hash/blog.cgi/About/CV.html?seemore=y

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Meng Weng Wong's TextAmp
Adam Back's HashCash

Its strange because as far as I can tell Ashish did not contribute to the hashcash library (and there were a few dozen people did).  Actually I had no idea who Ashish was other than the owner of hashcash.org (.com, .net) until reading this thread to realize he sounds like a pretty interesting open source crypto hacker and even involved with ecash related things at DMT which I was barely aware of though I had read some of the late J Orlin Grabbe's libertarian articles in the distant past.  I didnt realize he was an economist (see his wikipedia).

edit: Actually its not ambiguous the heading of the section on the above link is "As Seen On..." and includes sections for TV, news, magazines, and... code that mentions his name.  And hashcash certainly did that in the context of his giving the domain name, gratis.

Ashish did give me the domain - I think I offered $100 to have a better .org domain for the opensource project.  His counter-offer to give it to me free was a pleasant surprise.  He got me to make a PGP signed statement saying I wouldnt try to obtain hashcash.com nor hashcash.net.  I notice now hashcash.net is for sale by one of those resellers so maybe he accidentally didnt renew it.

The speculations about Ashish personality to be eschewing financial reward are interesting (re $100m of unclaimed BTC on the block chain).  I dont know Ashish so I cant help there.  But it is interesting that there are some cultures and religions that do intentionally forgo financial reward, and shy away from shows of wealth etc.  I noticed some indian sub-cultures have that, but they are certainly not alone.  Ashish apparently was/is involved in open source, and interesting projects like DMT where presumably most of the interest is the technology purist, or political freedom potential.

Adam
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No sir, you need this wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins

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Don't mess with Satoshi
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What is it with the name Ashish besides putting an H in front of it and dropping the last three letters resulting in Hash?

You should smoke some then you'll know  Grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashish

Yes, the full spelling of hash did slightly elude me, only pointing out the term associated with computers--hash.

I took a puff of hash once, thinking at the time that you should take a deep puff and hold it like I've done only a small times before with dank. I learnt afterwards that the shit expands in your lungs. I'm pretty sure it was from that day forward I considerably scaled back my ulta-minor drug habit.

To this day, I never spend money on drugs, with the exception of purchasing a purple microdot (of which I gave away to ?) in San Diego while at Mission Bay after completing Naval boot camp.
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http://thefree.in/

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FREE was created in July 1994 by Ashish Gulhati, Dr. Arun Mehta and Rishab Aiyer Ghosh as an online forum dedicated to protecting and enhancing fundamental human rights in the electronic domain, and representing the interests of the electronic community in India.

http://web.archive.org/web/19970227011758/http://www.netropolis.org/hash/





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My company, Netropolis Technologies, provides consultancy, training and software for Internetworking applications.

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Rand

IMHO, Ayn Rand was this century's most profound thinker and the greatest literary artist of all time. Her portrayal of man as an independent, efficacious, rational being is worth experiencing, no matter which side you take in the violent controversy that surrounds her and her works.


No matter with an IQ of 180 - anyone who believe's the bolded comments above is either extremely narrow minded or certifiably crazy.


Major in philosophy, and prefers Ayn Rand over giants like Deluze, Nietzsche, Sartre...
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What is it with the name Ashish besides putting an H in front of it and dropping the last three letters resulting in Hash?

You should smoke some then you'll know  Grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashish
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From the I-can't-believe-what-I-just-found file:

Am the "Ashish Goel" in question. Not sure whether anyone is still reading this thread, but here goes some stuff.

a) I did read everything about bitcoin on its web page

b) Yes, the ripple model is the one I am more excited about. I am not the one who came up with the model (references are in http://arxiv.org/abs/1007.0515) -- I am just developing theory for it with some students and trying to understand applications. So have no vested interest in pushing one model over the other. Also, not saying that ripple will work as a company, just that it is a more interesting currency.

c) There is no need to point guns at anyone in the credit network model (our name for the ripple currency) -- the point of the model is that everyone accepts whatever currency they want, from whatever user, for whatever amount they like.

d) I understand this is a bitcoin forum, so this will be an unpopular view. But I believe that a currency can only work if there is someone backing it. In a true P2P currency, trust must be vested in peers. Bitcoin relies completely on convention, which risks going the same way as the "tulip trade".

e) Lots of nice beautiful stuff about bitcoin. Big fan of the beautiful crytographic ideas. Only disagreeing with the part about it not being clear who is being trusted.

f) Any questions about the math in the paper or comments on the credit network model or ideas regarding the open problems? Shoot me an email at ashishg AT stanford DOT edu. Or just leave a comment here and I will monitor it.

What is it with the name Ashish besides putting an H in front of it and dropping the last three letters resulting in Hash?
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This is odd!: http://netropolis.in/silklist/msg04198.html

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Re: [silk] Free Dmitry Sklyarov!

Subject: Re: [silk] Free Dmitry Sklyarov!
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> camram-spam folks are working on an implementation. Essentially, you
> refuse mail delivery unless it's paid with a digicash token. If it's not a
> spam, you return the token. If you run out of your digicash stash, you're
> grounded.

As digital cash systems become more widespread, paying for mailing
will become trivial. There are a number of systems that could be used
today.

Also see Adam Back's hashcash (no relation) system which implements a
solution using payment in processing time, which is essentially the
same deterrent that keeps script kiddies from being able to easily
implement remote dictionary attacks against unix system passwords.

#!

Clearly this is written by Ashish. Note his sig that he's used elsewhere--#!.

The hashcash domains were registered in his name in March of the same year the email exchanges took place, yet he's distancing himself from it.
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http://www.hashcash.org/source/CHANGELOG

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update everything to point at http://www.hashcash.org now we
     have the domain courtesy of it's previous owner Ashish
     Gulhati <[email protected]> (at no charge -- he declined my
     offer to pay for it and instead gave it to me!)

But hashcash.com is still controlled by Ashish and redirects to his site http://neomailbox.com/

Which begs the questions, was hashcash derived from a play on words since Ashish Gulhati has used the moniker/pseudonym 'hash' since the mid 90's?

Ashish registered in his name all top level domains (.com, .net, .org) for hashcash back in March of 2001, only giving the .org one to Adam Back.
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Amazingly, Bitcoin was nearing its first release into the wild shortly after the death of James Orlin Grabbe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Orlin_Grabbe

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James Orlin Grabbe (pron.: /ˈɡreɪbiː/; October 8, 1947 – March 15, 2008)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Orlin_Grabbe#Digital_Monetary_Trust

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In November 1999, a series of articles in the Laissez Faire City Times presented the Digital Monetary Trust project, which was a proposed financial trust providing private, anonymous accounts for individuals and entities within the DMT system, in order to securely store anonymous capital or to make anonymous monetary transactions.

That is, the DMT will be in the business of providing privacy, and doing so in a cryptographical framework which provides a more solid basis for customer anonymity than the traditional ones of (allegedly) tight-lipped bankers or (often-leaky) banking secrecy laws.

—Orlin Grabbe

Where was Grabbe during the mid to late 1999? Laissez Faire City.

Where was Ashish during the same time period? Same place.

Who at Laissez Faire City during the same time had the capability to develop such a system? Not Sonny Vleisides and his gang of programmers.
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Adam Back sure wants hashcash credited with bitcoin's invention. That is enough for me to think it isn't him because he is trying to claim credit for it. But Ashish... that's a little more interesting.

Yes, Adam Beck came up as well in Phinnaeus's links.
May have contributed a lot to the build up of the final product as well.
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A few more just for fun.

http://www.cypherspace.org/bitcoin/satoshi.html
http://www.cypherspace.org/adam/

Adam Back sure wants hashcash credited with bitcoin's invention. That is enough for me to think it isn't him because he is trying to claim credit for it. But Ashish... that's a little more interesting.
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