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Topic: Is Bitcoin Mining Really Causing Environmental Damage? Maybe not that much... - page 6. (Read 1997 times)

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There is this widespread notion that Bitcoin mining is detrimental to the environment, because of all the electricity it consumes. At a quick superficial glance, it seems logical. But in reality, it is not exactly the case.

Who mines Bitcoin and what kind of electricity is used for Bitcoin mining?

Currently, China accounts for about 71% of the mining hash power in the world. The mining farms are based in Western China. But why there?

Hydro power plants have been created in the past for the production of aluminium. Electricity is 60% of the cost to aluminium production through smelting. The aluminium market is oversaturated for years now and China, being a top producer, has cut the production. So they have a huge surplus of hydro energy that is not utilized. For simplicity, imagine a hydro power plant in the fields, surrounded by nothing else. And hydro energy is clean energy. It doesn’t kill trees.

However, the technological infrastructure for transporting the energy to regions that actually need it, is lacking. This overcapacity of energy can’t just be sent to China’s bustling urban centers. Actually it can, but electricity will have to travel long distances, which equals huge losses. Therefore, it would be more economical for a power consumer to be closer to the source of the power. This is where the mining farms and their warehouses have been built. Right next to the close-to-useless hydro power plants. So the majority of miners are using failed energy projects and not investing in new ones.

In order to mine Bitcoin, all you need is mining hardware, internet connection and a simple software and now the unutilized energy is used towards creating a decentralized blockchain system. Unused clean hydro energy is entering the global economy. This is the real mining! At the core of it, we have a Chinese river allowing a rural farmer in Africa get paid for the cotton he produces through the Bitcoin network. The Chinese rivers help a Filipino immigrant in USA to send his payroll to his relatives in the Philippines for cents of a dollar, rather than for a 40% commission fee via Western Union.

But Bitmain and the other pools are making so much money out of it. Is it fair?

Well, gold diggers and oil rigs are also making tons of money. Is it fair? Traditionally, the resource mining business has always been one of the most lucrative. It is at the top of the supply chain. In order for us to go to a gas station and fuel our car tank, someone had to drill that oil first. Gas has value for us as end users. We travel faster than on horses. In order for the gas station to make profit on retail prices, they need to buy that gas from someone first and so on. There is value for everyone in the chain, provided that the product or resource is actually needed.

The value exchange is pretty simple

Unutilized clean energy coming from rivers that doesn’t pollute the air on one hand. And the maintaining of a global decentralized payment system on the other.

So the real question is: “Is a decentralized, open, alternative, state-free monetary system needed?” For the average citizen in a developed country, it may still not be. But for billions underbanked that is life-changing.

A system that allows for 24/7 payments with no borders and close to zero fees. An alternative system to fiat money, that allows people in countries like Venezuela to protect their money and assets in rough times. A system that provides banking for billions in regions where there is no banks.

Conclusion

Unutilized clean hydro energy is being transformed into a global, borderless, open, decentralized, alternative financial system. The air is not being polluted. But the annual profits of banks are! And they will keep pondering how detrimental Bitcoin mining for humanity is. Is this the truth? Decide for yourself.

I would be happy to hear your thoughts on the subject...

Reality speaking most of the things existing in this generation contributes negatively to the environment. When it comes to the energy being consumed by bitcoin, I believe it is not much to be an issue. There are other alternative ways to produce energy. Too much consumation of energy is already a problem even before crypto was not made. What people should think is how to make those alternative ways possible and sufficient for every country.
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I am believe electricity consumption for bitcoin mining not too much. Not more than 1% from electricity global supply. Beside that, right now many alternative energy and friendly energy that used by miners
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Compared to the governments dropping munitions all day long?  Or Chinese factories?  This is just media fake news hype.  I cannot believe anyone even reads or believes this shit. 
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I think that mining cryptocurrency Bitcoin, as well as mining any other cryptocurrency does not cause environmental harm to the planet.
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There is this widespread notion that Bitcoin mining is detrimental to the environment, because of all the electricity it consumes. At a quick superficial glance, it seems logical. But in reality, it is not exactly the case.

Who mines Bitcoin and what kind of electricity is used for Bitcoin mining?

Currently, China accounts for about 71% of the mining hash power in the world. The mining farms are based in Western China. But why there?

Hydro power plants have been created in the past for the production of aluminium. Electricity is 60% of the cost to aluminium production through smelting. The aluminium market is oversaturated for years now and China, being a top producer, has cut the production. So they have a huge surplus of hydro energy that is not utilized. For simplicity, imagine a hydro power plant in the fields, surrounded by nothing else. And hydro energy is clean energy. It doesn’t kill trees.

However, the technological infrastructure for transporting the energy to regions that actually need it, is lacking. This overcapacity of energy can’t just be sent to China’s bustling urban centers. Actually it can, but electricity will have to travel long distances, which equals huge losses. Therefore, it would be more economical for a power consumer to be closer to the source of the power. This is where the mining farms and their warehouses have been built. Right next to the close-to-useless hydro power plants. So the majority of miners are using failed energy projects and not investing in new ones.

In order to mine Bitcoin, all you need is mining hardware, internet connection and a simple software and now the unutilized energy is used towards creating a decentralized blockchain system. Unused clean hydro energy is entering the global economy. This is the real mining! At the core of it, we have a Chinese river allowing a rural farmer in Africa get paid for the cotton he produces through the Bitcoin network. The Chinese rivers help a Filipino immigrant in USA to send his payroll to his relatives in the Philippines for cents of a dollar, rather than for a 40% commission fee via Western Union.

But Bitmain and the other pools are making so much money out of it. Is it fair?

Well, gold diggers and oil rigs are also making tons of money. Is it fair? Traditionally, the resource mining business has always been one of the most lucrative. It is at the top of the supply chain. In order for us to go to a gas station and fuel our car tank, someone had to drill that oil first. Gas has value for us as end users. We travel faster than on horses. In order for the gas station to make profit on retail prices, they need to buy that gas from someone first and so on. There is value for everyone in the chain, provided that the product or resource is actually needed.

The value exchange is pretty simple

Unutilized clean energy coming from rivers that doesn’t pollute the air on one hand. And the maintaining of a global decentralized payment system on the other.

So the real question is: “Is a decentralized, open, alternative, state-free monetary system needed?” For the average citizen in a developed country, it may still not be. But for billions underbanked that is life-changing.

A system that allows for 24/7 payments with no borders and close to zero fees. An alternative system to fiat money, that allows people in countries like Venezuela to protect their money and assets in rough times. A system that provides banking for billions in regions where there is no banks.

Conclusion

Unutilized clean hydro energy is being transformed into a global, borderless, open, decentralized, alternative financial system. The air is not being polluted. But the annual profits of banks are! And they will keep pondering how detrimental Bitcoin mining for humanity is. Is this the truth? Decide for yourself.

I would be happy to hear your thoughts on the subject...
I don’t think that bitcoin is causing any kind of environmental damage, the only requirement for using the bitcoin and investing into it is the internet, internet is the only requirement for bitcoin and for other crypto currencies operation too and I have also heard the rumour that in the coming future bitcoin will use twice the amount of electricity as use by the entire world currently and I found to be totally hypothetical and I think that bitcoin is that kind of resource that could never be easily exhausted so I don’t think that bitcoin is causing any kind of environmental damage.
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Probably not.After all, mining consumes energy and as we all know it, we can extract water from the air and from anything,in the flesh to sunlight and rice grains!
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Humanity is developing now, look around. Yes, the production of bitcoin requires a lot of electricity, as well as the development of electric cars, robots...
sr. member
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Yes, bitcoin mining is not really causing damage for our environment.
If you see the real gold mining or other metal mining, they should causing more damage for environment because their waste products.
cryptocurrency mining is only consuming electricity and doesn't have waste products.
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Until there is an independent scientific study that shows the damage (or non-damage) to the environment, this question does not make sense.
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all this energy  drama has been mostly an attack against bitcoin to indirectly imply that "bitcoin is a waste of energy" and with that imply that "bitcoin shouldn't exist". but the thing is they are just spreading FUD to make people believe that bitcoin is not providing any utilities. OP had a good point, bitcoin is a 24/7 global payment system with very small fees and no restrictions like the ones banks have. if you really think about what bitcoin is truly doing then you can see that no matte how much energy it consumes it still wouldn't be too much.
as for environmental damage, anything that uses energy is damaging environment. humans living on earth are damaging the environment but would you stop living because of that?
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I don't think bitcoin mining is causing any environmental damage. Though, the over use and over heat of electricity can cause domestic damage if not carefully managed. Some miners carelessness have caused so much damages to private and public properties.We have heard news on how buildings caught fire because some restless minners didn't cool their machines enough.

yes, I agree with you. the bitcoin mining uses electricity and not causing environmental damage. maybe there will be a big consumption of electricity that will be used for bitcoin mining. and I think the bitcoin mining company will solve this problem as the electricity is not the only use for mining only but also use for the humankind.
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One possible solution is for nations to use more renewable energy for mining. I think most sensible people realize that it's not practical for cryprocurrencies to rely on proof of work mining, so the shift to proof of stake by some coins should alleviate some of the energy consumption.
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I don't think that bitcoin mining causing a huge environmental damage. But I guess there occur a little by using a concidarable number of electricity. I thinik Environmental damage is occuring by many other related aspects.

because mining tools usually use high-level VGA, then I think that makes dangerous mining equipment is the stability of the power supply
If you use a hydroelectric power station, you should think hard to keep power steady in your supply of VGA and RIG mining
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Well I think so.  My experience to synchronize the bitcoin core take about 6 weeks almost nonstop to finish.  After that it takes another several hours to resync if I quit the app for a day. 
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The Chinese rivers help a Filipino immigrant in USA to send his payroll to his relatives in the Philippines for cents of a dollar, rather than for a 40% commission fee via Western Union.

Hmmm... I think it gives an idea of who is disturbed about Bitcoin's potential and its positive impact on the world. Ecological excuses are a good strategy when you want to weak an opponent. Always suspect exaggerated predictions told by ecology experts as they were absolut truths.

Bitcoin isn't the first victim of the environmental activists and it won't be the last...
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Not, really. BTC is all done in an electronic manner. The things are done on devices which does not emit any harmful substances. The only downturn is, it uses up a lot of energy. That is the only downside. Apart from that, it is not that harmful for the environment.
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I do not think so. Actually we are now living in the era of technology and technology is nothing without electricity. So if electricity consumption is bad then we will have to stop using technology. Bitcoin is consuming electricity but it is also giving benefits to the society also. It is also helping to establishing energy project also.
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All your points are logical enough. I totally agree with you. We can utilize the unused hydro energy for mining Bitcoins and that won’t do any harm to the environment. Moreover, we should look for another alternative way in which there will be no harm to the environment and we can still utilize the unused hydro energy.
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I don't think that it is causing environmental  damage as by doing this air is not being polluted.Banks have a big part for spreading this type of news. However a large amount of energy consumption needed for bitcoin mining.
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The article is really self explanatory in the support of bitcoin mining in that part of the world because its really not affecting anything and that is a cogent reason why I think the Chinese government have not pull the plug on mining activities despite their negative stance against bitcoin and crypto activities. To me, its a win-win to them because the facility that a whole lot of money was spent to bring into existence is now being wasted away but some facilities are therefore making use of it at the same time making money out of it to pay taxes to government.

I also don't think the banks are damaging the environment because they don't engage in manufacturing activities or exploring activities that we see in companies in that sector do to the environment.
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