Topic: Is Bitcoin the Trojan horse to help push the move to a world government? - page 2. (Read 2105 times)

Doug Casey is a smart idiot, like most other tinfoil hats.

The disintegration of large nation-states into a plethora of smaller ones is precisely what creates the power vacuum that will make the world government possible. Duh.

Why do you think that Rothshilds is protecting Wikileaks and encouraging the destruction of the nation-state, by exposing corruption and for example fomenting a civil war between liberals and conservatives in the USA.

I dont think that bitcoin is the one that will be used but it defiantly paves the way for another government controlled currency, using crypto.

A splendid interview with Doug Casey that can put all your worries about the world government to rest.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/11/nick-giambruno/nation-states-brink-failure/

But....if they "capture" all the bitcoin, then the bitcoin will have no value.  So, what would the motivation be behind the "globalist controlled mining cartels" acquisition of all the bitcoin.  Plus, mining requires energy, energy requires work, and work requires laborers....doesn't this describe a division of labor which promotes distribution of wealth?  That's not even to question what the effects of halving has on the mining outfits, nor does it address the consequences of full dilution....So, this is it: we can keep the fractional reserve banking systems and trust that the elite wont pull the carpet out from under us, or we can take out the middle man and reap what we sow.

cjmoles & Milkduds,

The globalists have ultimate control over the mining cartel that ultimately captures Bitcoin. Proof-of-work can't remain decentralized (even without scaling, but even more true the more it scales). Period. It is economically impossible.

So you can be as organized as you want to be, but that still doesn't give you any alternative money system which your idealistic hearts can prevent the powers-that-be from controlling.

I think both of you guys would prefer not to live in a civilization and instead revoke the maximum division-of-labor (i.e. Adam Smith's Invisible Hand) and go live "on the other side of moon" at the standard-of-living of the Amish. Well actually worse than that, because at least the Amish acknowledge trade with the outside world and its money system.

The rest of the world will not follow you there...

Yes....I agree and I thought about that after I posted.  However, having a network already in place which brings the people together with a common goal actually shifts the power in a downward and outward direction, as opposed to an upward and inner concentration....ad unum omnes.  Yes, they could force us all into labor camps that serve their decadence, but is that something that the world will accept without a Marxist type of uprising?  Distributed networks aren't new, they're just digitized now.  Distributed intelligence networks proved effective in surviving the Russian Gulags. (The Gulag Archipelago: Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, 1973).  How much more could blockchain technology fasten the distribution of information in such a way that makes it impossible to cut the head off of a movement?  A movement that has no leader?

You attribute far too little apathy and far too much awareness to the sheepeople.

Besides there is a stronger force in play. Society can't function in complete chaos. Society requires a winner, especially w.r.t. to money.

So which money is society going to choose when all the globalized options are winner-take-all power vacuums? Would the people prefer their corrupt nation-state currencies and be shut off from a global marketplace?

India this week (with the cancellation of their largest currency notes) is a prime example. So the government can stop people from avoiding taxes and force them to give their money to government funded corruption. Yet of course the MSM tells you that ending black money is about reducing corruption, which is a lie. Idealistically taxes should always be voluntary.

You are looking at this from a sane mans vantage but this is not what we are dealing with in context to a dominating power,seeking to control the world.
In the Western world we think free will is ours and in more destroyed areas of the world people realize it is not free.
If any man can be broken through torture,what hope do you think bitcoiners have of staying above the water when government turns their gaze in our direction!
Its easy to spin and if you have money it is a tool you use to crush any opposition. Bitcoin can barely get the word out about its  self to the world and we think its going to survive a attack?
Not saying you are wrong because I think you are looking at bitcoin through a lens of bitcoin only and I like to pan out and look at the world shifts of late to draw in to the bitcoin discussion.
Mans default setting is different for some,if you read any holocaust books,they talk about some people surviving well others gave in. Its a very strange aspect about humans and I always wonder about that when ISIS is rounding up these men and they bunch together like this is not happening. Not judging them but it makes me uneasy seeing that aspect of life,it forces me to contemplate some values.

But, how will they get my corn when I don't want their currency?  And, how will they recruit my labor if I am unable to purchase my food with their payment option?  They can have all the bitcoin in the world....it won't mean a thing if there isn't a willingness to use it to exchange real world production for real world service.....a measure's worth of food for a measure's worth of labor.  <----that's what everything boils down to and that is mankind's default setting....How will the global elite force us to use their platform when we decide  it has no use?

Proof-of-work mining is a winner-take-all economic paradigm:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16957687
https://gist.github.com/shelby3/67111f328822a36beb4cad1a5220eb33

When I say that it is decentralized....I mean that no single entity has control over the contents of the ledger.  It is too cost prohibitive to roll back the entire ledger in order to change it's contents every time a change is required to be manifested....While there might be issues with a concentration of hashing power which has the effect of  disenfranchising smaller operations....that aspect of the technology is self mitigating in the long run.  But, my question is: how will the global elite (whoever they are) take advantage of being able to regulate the miners?  If we have the individual freedom to engage in transactions without the burden of having to trust a third party to manipulate the tally sheet, then how would that be oppressive to us?  If we view bitcoin as a means to exchange goods and services, as opposed to a means to "create wealth" out of thin air, then it's future is not so divisive.  

Right now when we put our money into the bank, the banks are taking that money and giving it to somebody else to turn a profit by manipulating their centralized ledgers to reflect that there is more money then there actually is in circulation....That form of currency is not backed by actual goods and services; in fact, it dilutes the value of our accumulated store of goods and services at an exponential rate....I just don't see how that devaluation could be coerced while we maintain an immutable ledger.

I hate being this way but I need to go grab my tinfoil hat for this discussion...


The things that got me concern are flying right a long at the same time as bitcoin and fall into the grasp for global domination but a elite group.
We have governments being over turned and trade deals going sour with a protectionist lean becoming the apparent new in thing.
The trick is making people believe that the changes they want are their own and not some concept dreamed up to strip the average citizen down into a drone.

These things happen over generations and look at the current deal with cell phones,everyone has one and they rely on them day to day like zombies.
You take away the internet and people would not know how to adjust and would need some one to guide them along,its a very easy path to see if you take your head out from where ever you have it tucked. It may not happen but it is quite easy to see happening.

Hell I am still scratching my head over gender categories for some new dating site,37 different sexes!!! I mean I can count 6 maybe by listing off the LGBTQ and adding hetro to the end.

So if you look at bitcoin...(Like I proved anything,more of a psychotic rant) you can see all the little aspects that have been shut down like negative interest rates and how a government sponsered coin could achieve these goals. Problems with the peons,strip their coins away in one sweep and have them beg for it back. Give it back but take away a little human right as you go.
If you find this hard to swallow think about the rights that went bye bye after 9/11.

As much as I like bitcoin I can see the perversion of it coming in quickly.

Dude, you didn't understand the OP.

The entire point is that it is a Trojan horse against (nation-state) governments. Of course they are fighting it, and that is consistent with it being a Trojan horse against them.


The population is going to accept it with open arms, once someone solves the onboarding and security problems. Both of which I've conceptually solved. Implementation follows.


Malthusians are always correct.  

(they never are, never)

They always see a larger pie as impossible.

Eh, could be, but I highly doubt it.  With Satoshi's identity being unknown, it is pretty interesting to speculate about how and why bitcoin was conceived.  And of course, who aside from "Satoshi" was behind it.  Could be a malignant government presence, could be just a computer geek.

If this is some evil government trojan horse, it's not taking like they thought it would, is it?

Bitcoin is far from being some trojan horse; if it was there would either be less push-back against it or more subtle acceptation of it globally, and we're not seeing that. Governments treat it like a threat, and the population is equally wary of it. Something being a trojan horse would be more accepted rather than rejected.

Also, for those suggesting a world government is a good thing; not on the banker's terms, and not before the rest of the world catches up to "first-world" status. The labor imbalances and new labor markets opening up for super cheap, along with societies further back in technology, are a net negative. Plus national culture is lost, among other things. Not a benefit.

I don't know for sure what will happen in the future about the growth of the bitcoin. However there are a few things you might want to do in this discussion, because without discussion then something will happen is a misunderstanding. so I better see all of what they say and looking for something that is right. Although satoshi never comes then I will believe the bitcoin will remain visible for

You didn't state anything that refuted the premise, "banks are powerless to stop lurch to cryptocurrency".

I didn't say that some banks wouldn't find some profit in Bitcoin. Nevertheless, as cryptocurrency becomes the currency of virtual commerce (and the lurch to the Knowledge Age which will overtake everything), the national fiats the banks control, will become an ever smaller portion of the economic pie.

Also onboarding without going through fiat is now coming into reality.



For the individuals in banking and government, but not for the nation-state jurisdiction scoped institutions.

I have an essay which I wrote for you to read about genius:

http://unheresy.com/Essence%20of%20Genius.html

Genius is able to distill the essence from the irrelevant.

Again, the mystery of bitcoin's beginning and unknown identity of Satoshi Nakamoto is here to haunt us.
Do you think this discussion presenting bitcoin as something created by some government agency would take place if we knew who Satoshi is?

At first bitcoin is currency which has highest privacy protect nowdays.
Secondly, when you say that banks are powerless to stop lurch to cryptocurrency, you lie from this first proposal. Ask me in this question, who offers you bitcoin to usd exchange? Banks of course, who are mining companies? People who wants to take control on it and than manipulate price.
Also bitcoin is mostly used for money laundering and it's also good for both side ( for bankers and govermant ).

Why even give Zcash a bad name.Any currency is not bad but the use we put it to is either bad or good.You can make donations with bitcoin or zcash or buy marijuana.It is entirely upto you