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Topic: Is Bitcoin the Trojan horse to help push the move to a world government? - page 3. (Read 2105 times)

newbie
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ok Im learning a lot more. Bitcoiners are also very paranoid.
sr. member
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So, any tool that provides freedom to the individual instead of control for the state, is a Trojan horse that the state can use to justify increased control?

Does that mean the war is lost and we should simply give up?

As we ratchet up the entropy levels, we attain greater degrees-of-freedom in society:

So perhaps I beg to differ with your assertion that there are no solutions. Even CoinCube had written that we are moving to higher and higher entropy levels because of technology:

https://gist.github.com/shelby3/67111f328822a36beb4cad1a5220eb33
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16982844

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I read this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16982844

Excellent. Seems congruent with what I wrote and shared with you yesterday.

Not able to defect should ultimately equal not needing to defect. Degrees-of-freedom should be unbounded and Coasian costs drop to zero. But as you say we will never get there, just ratchet up to higher and higher levels of entropy.

Please feel free to write this connection publicly for me if you are so inclined. I can't do it now. Feel free to cite the portion of the white paper I shared with you as that is a public url.
sr. member
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Bitcoin removes the necessity of requiring third parties to keep track of personal transactions

Incorrect if you mean to imply that Bitcoin is not centralized:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16991114

The distinction is that the centralized entities are global. The nation-states can't regulate the miners. But the miners are centralized and will become ever more so. It is a winner-take-all economic paradigm. Why wouldn't the global elite love that?

Decentralized is not the same as distributed!
hero member
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First, what is a "one world government," and second, are we assuming a "one world government" is a bad thing?  The fact of the matter is that we are on "one world" and we all have a specific responsibility to protect the one world we are on.  One nation, one religion, one ideology.....etc....shouldn't have the power to make all the decisions regarding how the world's resources are shared and distributed.  Bitcoin removes the necessity of requiring third parties to keep track of personal transactions, which reduces the control of centralized governing authorities.  A decentralized process of distributing wealth (goods, services, usury, torts...etc) also distributes responsibility in a more homogeneous manner which has the ability to negate centralized corruption. So, how might the elite benefit by creating a technology that allows the people to make their own decisions regarding the distribution of wealth?

This excellent retort and many good points made.Of course there are also many possibilities for anyone to take majority share of a decentralised structure either by buyout or monopoly production process and henceforth distribution affects decentralisation?

There are also other factors to consider such as the moving beyond the actual amount currency in control of hierarchial structures as being relevant when such structures already control and regulate all within full global economic and finally political ecosystem where the monetary aspect is concentrated on control of ledger/transaction processes as the regulatory and controlling authority while political aspect is security and resource distribution process allocation.

True control is not how wealthy one is.It is having legislative control and ability to know all things.Monetary wealth however a great advantage in the stepping stone process to access such priveledges through education/connections/collaborations etc etc less emphasis on collaborations as world moves towards knowledge based data economics where artifical intelligence is key player through neural based infrastructures and machine learning function abilities.

The real power players are already embedded but us minions must earn our place in the new order.Unless we all move to desert wilderness and live on the locusts and wild berries/honey this is the future.
legendary
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First, what is a "one world government," and second, are we assuming a "one world government" is a bad thing?  The fact of the matter is that we are on "one world" and we all have a specific responsibility to protect the one world we are on.  One nation, one religion, one ideology.....etc....shouldn't have the power to make all the decisions regarding how the world's resources are shared and distributed.  Bitcoin removes the necessity of requiring third parties to keep track of personal transactions, which reduces the control of centralized governing authorities.  A decentralized process of distributing wealth (goods, services, usury, torts...etc) also distributes responsibility in a more homogeneous manner which has the ability to negate centralized corruption. So, how might the elite benefit by creating a technology that allows the people to make their own decisions regarding the distribution of wealth?
sr. member
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And this guy calls other people tinfoil hats, LOL

You tinfoil hats are so funny.
hero member
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I think only when bitcoin is perfected and ALL anomalies bugs etc are dealt with conclusively will it then be regulated.All FREE things start like wild west with many bad seeds/weeds thrown in among the good/bad and the ugly like melting pot of chaotic innovation giving off impression of open and free however once regulation and other tyranny settle in step by step like boiling frog it will not be noticed but "maverick brand" and whatever cool buzzword still remain like designed form of freedom that is in reality opposite but this could be conspiracy theory off course and maybe be too paranoid but remember just because they are paranoid it does not mean the MAN is not watching you but does anyone really care when we are all sheople?
sr. member
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If anything Zcash is the Trojan horse.
I won't feel sorry for any darknet vendors who accept this coin as payment, when the police show up at their door, and were able to somehow find their identity,,,
legendary
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So, any tool that provides freedom to the individual instead of control for the state, is a Trojan horse that the state can use to justify increased control?

Does that mean the war is lost and we should simply give up?
sr. member
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It will be considered a basic human right that Internet money and access be without borders/barriers. The globalists want this. I believe the elite created Bitcoin as a Trojan horse against nation-state and banking interests selfishness. They are using us to force a wedge between nation-states and banks, and the global village reality of the Internet


I don't really get this theory (conspiracy theory that is) about how Bitcoin is a trojan horse by the so called elite. Why would the elite deploy a software that is open source, and allows people to hide money from the government or anyone else but you and the other party?

Because the nation-states and banks are powerless to stop the lurch to crypto-currency and the global ledger. They simply don't have globalized jurisdiction. This creates a demand for a world government system, so that regulations can be placed on all countries at once. In this way, crypto-currency can be regulated later after the world government takes form. Until then, the nation-states will find themselves powerless to stop crypto-currency unless they shut off the Internet, which they can't do. Even China will succumb (the people already know how to use VPNs to subvert the Great Firewall of China).

I mean people that work for bitcoin, if they never cash out and buy with bitcoin... the circle is closed, government can't never tax any of that,

This is why the nation-states will need to support the creation of a world government. Bitcoin is the Trojan horse that forces them to.

... they will never know how much bitcoin a person that got bitcoin within bitcoin ecosystem be it by mining or by working in exchange of bitcoin has... so what's the point?

Well Bitcoin is traceable if you have the resources of the NSA, but other countries don't have those resources. And more anonymous coins are underway, so yes ultimately governments can't track it if they can't regulate it globally to force a government viewkey to be attached to every transaction. Again crypto-currency breaks the authority of nation-states and renders banks irrelevant. It thus drives the need for a world government and a world bank.

If I was the elite, I would be hating bitcoin and having nightmares about it. I don't see how the elites benefit from bitcoin.

Grasshopper you don't think in sophisticated logic, and that is one reason why you could not ever be a member of the global elite.

Bitcoin is working perfectly as they designed it to do.

Ask yourself this. Does Bitcoin eliminate the need for people to borrow money and will Bitcoin prevent fractional reserve lending? The answer to both is no. And so the business of the global elite is still intact, while they destroy all their competitors with the Bitcoin Trojan horse.

I think bitcoin was simply the work of crypto anarchists/hackers. They saw that the future is digital, and that governments will deploy closed source currencies where they have total control. They saw this coming, and released bitcoin as a way to fight against that. Therefore I don't buy the conspiracy theory of bitcoin being a trojan horse, since I fail to see how the elite benefits in any way from it.

That is of course what they knew you would think. Masterful their plan. They know very well, you could not possible conceive of them making Bitcoin and instead you want to believe that Satoshi Nakamoto is a real person. Lol. Larry Summers has a bellyache from laughing too much.
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