Is bitcoin volatility here to stay? - page 3.

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~~ Volatility gives us more and more chances to have profit as I take it as an advantage to have low price coins and make them high by waiting in red market days. ~~

Yes, it provides the opportunity to gain big profits but we don't forget that it also has a risk to lose in a big amount as well. Even if it is a good place for investment, always plan everything properly. I mean a crypto investor should have sufficient knowledge related to crypto market and price trends, not greedy to spend all your funds, and don't follow HYPE.

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Quote from: Natalim on February 13, 2020, 04:19:12 AM

Quote from: BuNga_cute on February 13, 2020, 02:48:34 AM

I am very sorry to say that your wish for bitcoin volatility here to stay will not occur in 2020. in that keeps moving up like this.

I am not sure if you understand what volatility is, yes the price of btc has increased significantly from $7200 to $10,200 now, but let me show you the chart below, and according to the change we see a pump and dump movement and that is what we called volatility, in fact it's still a high volatility.

That simple graph pretty explains how volatile bitcoin is.
We can also check the opening and closing price using the same website - https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/historical-data/

there you can see that even with 1% - 2% of changes within 24 hours, day traders can already make money and that is the volatility we are talking.

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Quote from: slashz9 on December 27, 2019, 05:35:15 AM

bitcoin volatility will decrease when it reaches the max supply and it is still very long.
at least from the annual chart that we see even though the value is very unstable, but shows a significant increase.
yes even though the chart dropped dramatically after a severe dump in early 2018 but bitcoin is starting to show an increase again.

But the thing is, we can't just buy bitcoin bumy ourselves. It's too expensive even to just buy one. I mean, who has 8000-9000 dollars to spend over cryptocurrency. If we want to exhaust the full available supply in the market, we would need to recommend and advertise bitcoin. Or we can just wait until the developers that take care of bitcoin finally build a program that allows it to become a currency, not just some form of asset. That will significantly decrease the volatility of bitcoin's price. But would also diminish bitcoin's profitability as an asset. It might even dump on value once this happens, so there's some high risks that are involved which the investors' side of the road might disagree.

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I don't think Bitcoin's existence goes to hamper because it still takes goodbye However I think that the volatility of Bitcoin will increase Bitcoin prices have risen tons since before and there's potential to rise further. That's why we should always be holding Bitcoin now. Each item takes time to grow and reduce Now Bitcoin's status won't diminish but will increase.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on February 13, 2020, 02:48:34 AM

I am very sorry to say that your wish for bitcoin volatility here to stay will not occur in 2020. in that keeps moving up like this.

I am not sure if you understand what volatility is, yes the price of btc has increased significantly from $7200 to $10,200 now, but let me show you the chart below, and according to the change we see a pump and dump movement and that is what we called volatility, in fact it's still a high volatility.

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Quote from: Janation on February 13, 2020, 01:12:23 AM

Quote from: FLoving on December 27, 2019, 09:13:09 AM

When majority of people will buy bitcoin and they will not sell their coins then the price of it will continuously increase and will reach to a higher value and a stage will come when bitcoin will reach to a good stability but the fluctuation will still be there in the price of bitcoin.

That will affect the price but not always positively.

At the start of that phase, the price will increase, since there are a lot of holders of Bitcoin. The liquidity will now be the problem since Bitcoin will became illiquid meaning hard to be sold or turned into cash or other cryptocurrencies and that will or can change the projectile of the price chart

Your reasoning is correct, but your conclusions still somewhat miss the target

More holders of Bitcoin will lead to less market supply (in this you are quite correct), and it is indeed going to affect "the projectile of the price chart" (correct as well). Price will most certainly skyrocket initially. But since there will be less bitcoins available for purchase as well as sale, it will necessarily lead to higher levels of volatility. In the end, there will be some sort of shaky equilibrium, though not in the sense of supply-and-demand balance but rather between expanding volatility and declining liquidity. In a way, it can be considered an effect of the second order (with the balance of supply and demand being of the first)

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Quote from: Finestream on February 13, 2020, 02:09:57 AM

Quote from: Janation on February 13, 2020, 01:12:23 AM

The liquidity will now be the problem since Bitcoin will became illiquid meaning hard to be sold or turned into cash or other cryptocurrencies and that will or can change the projectile of the price chart.

I don't see that scenario will happen, people may hold and when the demand increases the price will rise but people who buy can still buy bitcoin but of course at a higher value, however if these people are not mainly into investing, price won't matter at all as they will just spend that bitcoin for whatever purpose they have in mind.

I think buying bitcoin is very good but it should buy bitcoin for a long-term investment because you should be able to see the limited suppl will make the price of bitcoin more expensive from year to year, now there are also many platforms that develop blockchain technology so there will be more cryptocurrency created and can make the price expensive so the investment you make can provide a lot of profit.

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I am very sorry to say that your wish for bitcoin volatility here to stay will not occur in 2020. Because from the beginning of 2020
alone until now the price of bitcoin is very volatile, the price increase is very fast. Imagine that at the beginning of January 2020
bitcoin is still at $ 7200, but you can see that bitcoin is now at $ 10400. The price is very volatile, but I, as a bitcoin holder, really
like bitcoin that keeps moving up like this.

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Quote from: Janation on February 13, 2020, 01:12:23 AM

The liquidity will now be the problem since Bitcoin will became illiquid meaning hard to be sold or turned into cash or other cryptocurrencies and that will or can change the projectile of the price chart.

I don't see that scenario will happen, people may hold and when the demand increases the price will rise but people who buy can still buy bitcoin but of course at a higher value, however if these people are not mainly into investing, price won't matter at all as they will just spend that bitcoin for whatever purpose they have in mind.

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Quote from: FLoving on December 27, 2019, 09:13:09 AM

When majority of people will buy bitcoin and they will not sell their coins then the price of it will continuously increase and will reach to a higher value and a stage will come when bitcoin will reach to a good stability but the fluctuation will still be there in the price of bitcoin.

That will affect the price but not always positively.

At the start of that phase, the price will increase, since there are a lot of holders of Bitcoin. The liquidity will now be the problem since Bitcoin will became illiquid meaning hard to be sold or turned into cash or other cryptocurrencies and that will or can change the projectile of the price chart.

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Quote from: deisik on February 05, 2020, 09:26:16 AM

Quote from: HarmonyA on February 04, 2020, 06:35:12 PM

Despite the predictions that cryptocurrency markets will settle as they develop, particularly as supposed stablecoins develop in prominence and impact. Consider the possibility that, in any case, the entirety of the instability isn't a bug. It's altogether conceivable that it's a market include that is not leaving at any point in the near future.

These predictions have been proved wrong time and again

In fact, people were making such claims as back as 2015 (and probably even earlier). They claimed that Bitcoin (let's talk about it here) was going to be more stable at higher prices. But it is impossible for a speculative asset to remain stable for any longer amount of time, and still less so at higher prices. And the reasoning can be easily reversed. If we want a more stable Bitcoin, we should make it less speculative (which is a daunting task on its own, though). Dogecoin is an illustrative example of how things should be with Bitcoin in this regard

A decentralized cryptocurrency cannot be price stable by nature. This is especially true of bitcoin, which is more used by people as a speculative means than a means of payment. In addition, in my opinion, the higher the price of Bitcoin rises, the more its price volatility will manifest itself.

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Quote from: julius caesar on February 05, 2020, 11:44:37 AM

Volatility is always part of the bitcoin. It is caused by the consumers demand to a certain exchange.

You don't call them consumer because when they buy bitcoin that will still remain in circulation, it will not be loss like those that are consumable.
Basically when the demand will only increase for investment this is not a good thing as the price could not be stable since it could be due to the hype of the market, like for example, when the market is bullish that means people are buying hoping they can sell in a short term for a profit.

What I really like to witness is the consistent growth and the demand for the purpose of using it, whether it's use in gambling, buying online stuff, and other purposes.

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Volatility is always part of the bitcoin. It is caused by the consumers demand to a certain exchange. It the consumers demand is higher than the supply in the exchange, the value of the bitcoin will for surely gonna rise up. We will never know when the price of it rises up or down but we can actually try to conclude its next price so that we will be able to gain a advantage for our next trading.

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Quote from: HarmonyA on February 04, 2020, 06:35:12 PM

Despite the predictions that cryptocurrency markets will settle as they develop, particularly as supposed stablecoins develop in prominence and impact. Consider the possibility that, in any case, the entirety of the instability isn't a bug. It's altogether conceivable that it's a market include that is not leaving at any point in the near future.

These predictions have been proved wrong time and again

In fact, people were making such claims as back as 2015 (and probably even earlier). They claimed that Bitcoin (let's talk about it here) was going to be more stable at higher prices. But it is impossible for a speculative asset to remain stable for any longer amount of time, and still less so at higher prices. And the reasoning can be easily reversed. If we want a more stable Bitcoin, we should make it less speculative (which is a daunting task on its own, though). Dogecoin is an illustrative example of how things should be with Bitcoin in this regard

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Despite the predictions that cryptocurrency markets will settle as they develop, particularly as supposed stablecoins develop in prominence and impact. Consider the possibility that, in any case, the entirety of the instability isn't a bug. It's altogether conceivable that it's a market include that is not leaving at any point in the near future.

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Quote from: slashz9 on December 27, 2019, 05:35:15 AM

bitcoin volatility will decrease when it reaches the max supply and it is still very long.
at least from the annual chart that we see even though the value is very unstable, but shows a significant increase.
yes even though the chart dropped dramatically after a severe dump in early 2018 but bitcoin is starting to show an increase again.

No the volatility do not decrease with a maximum supply because it has nothing to do with the volatility but the main thing which will affect the volatility will be the mass adoption. When majority of people will buy bitcoin and they will not sell their coins then the price of it will continuously increase and will reach to a higher value and a stage will come when bitcoin will reach to a good stability but the fluctuation will still be there in the price of bitcoin.

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Quote from: huige007 on December 25, 2019, 11:05:29 AM

Quote from: kotik085 on December 24, 2019, 10:39:35 AM

Of course, bitcoin is volatile today and do not worry about this action. After Halving, the price needs a rapid rise.

Halving is definitely highly awaited event of 2020 because the reward prices will be cut down to half for every block that has been mined out on bitcoin network. In short for those who do not know about halving, this is a process of cutting supply of new bitcoin into half which is supposed to increase the value of bitcoin enormously. Halving has become mandatory in order to walk on sunshine in 2020.

Halving will definitely occur approximately by the mid of 2020 and till then people who are real bitcoin investors are focusing on collecting as many of it as they can to ensure great profits after the process of halving. I personally am not worried about the current prices of bitcoin and other famous altcoins because this is something very normal in this market. People shall stay relax and simply wait for halving.

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bitcoin volatility will decrease when it reaches the max supply and it is still very long.
at least from the annual chart that we see even though the value is very unstable, but shows a significant increase.
yes even though the chart dropped dramatically after a severe dump in early 2018 but bitcoin is starting to show an increase again.

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Quote from: huige007 on December 25, 2019, 11:05:29 AM

Quote from: kotik085 on December 24, 2019, 10:39:35 AM

Of course, bitcoin is volatile today and do not worry about this action. After Halving, the price needs a rapid rise.

Halving is definitely highly awaited event of 2020 because the reward prices will be cut down to half for every block that has been mined out on bitcoin network. In short for those who do not know about halving, this is a process of cutting supply of new bitcoin into half which is supposed to increase the value of bitcoin enormously. Halving has become mandatory in order to walk on sunshine in 2020.

But we should also consider a chance when bitcoin will be killed by halving almost completely
When reward of mining block will be too small to put effort in.
I doubt it will happen 2020, but it can happen soon enough we'll miss it coming.

Anyway - I believe Bitcoin will stay volatile until last block is mined

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Quote from: kotik085 on December 24, 2019, 10:39:35 AM

Of course, bitcoin is volatile today and do not worry about this action. After Halving, the price needs a rapid rise.

Halving is definitely highly awaited event of 2020 because the reward prices will be cut down to half for every block that has been mined out on bitcoin network. In short for those who do not know about halving, this is a process of cutting supply of new bitcoin into half which is supposed to increase the value of bitcoin enormously. Halving has become mandatory in order to walk on sunshine in 2020.

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