Is capitalism killing morality in the name of the law?

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Quote from: harapan on April 05, 2023, 04:05:34 PM

Quote from: Dzigie on March 27, 2023, 11:16:01 AM

You accuse me of being a peasant. Then you must pass this test.

If your mom and 7 niggers were in an action movie(?), would you consider it normal? Would that be an art for you?

Do you think women who commit suicide while working in the porn industry are doing it because they're happy with their lives? Why are so many porn victims killing themselves?

Women who commit suicide in the porn industry do so not because of what they do but because of the stigmatization and judgement of people like you. You can't just pick and choose what's immoral and what is not for everyone. I don't know what race or religion you belong to but if you tell me and I'm willing to indulge you I can pick out a few things that you do that are immoral to a certain set of people.

By the way, stop that sorry line of "why are so many porn victims killing themselves".
Suicide rate in general has increase. We have religious people committing suicide these days, people who do "honest work" according to you commit suicide. People from every single part of life commit suicide.

Why are you curious about my religion? I did not give any religious reference in my arguments. Why do you associate morality with religion only? Is morality monopolized only by religion? Anyway, this is irrelevant to the topic, but to satisfy your curiosity, I can say that I do not believe in God and I am a member of the human race. I am against the destruction of moral and virtue rules created by the history of humanity by the capital class.

Women who commit suicide in the porn industry experience it because of the bullying in the industry.

https://meaww.com/why-porn-stars-kill-themselves-death-suicide-dakota-s-kye-dahlia-sky-porn-industry-depression

You unrelatedly associate the issue with the religious in order to ignore those who pushed them to this extinction. They use vulnerable women for their bad purposes to make more money. I find this immoral. I don't think it's right to ignore the way greedy people hurt others.

P.S. I am starting to think this discussion is not fruitful. I will lock this thread in a few days.

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It is important to note that different societies and cultures may have different views on what is considered moral or immoral, and laws can reflect those societal norms and values.

It is also worth considering that regulations and laws can be put in place to protect consumers and ensure fair business practices, rather than solely to make more money for capitalists. Therefore, it is not accurate to suggest that all laws regulating these industries are solely motivated by profit.

Overall, the issue of the relationship between morality and capitalism is complex and multifaceted, and there are many different perspectives and arguments on the matter.

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Quote from: Dzigie on March 27, 2023, 11:16:01 AM

You accuse me of being a peasant. Then you must pass this test.

If your mom and 7 niggers were in an action movie(?), would you consider it normal? Would that be an art for you?

Do you think women who commit suicide while working in the porn industry are doing it because they're happy with their lives? Why are so many porn victims killing themselves?

Women who commit suicide in the porn industry do so not because of what they do but because of the stigmatization and judgement of people like you. You can't just pick and choose what's immoral and what is not for everyone. I don't know what race or religion you belong to but if you tell me and I'm willing to indulge you I can pick out a few things that you do that are immoral to a certain set of people.

By the way, stop that sorry line of "why are so many porn victims killing themselves".
Suicide rate in general has increase. We have religious people committing suicide these days, people who do "honest work" according to you commit suicide. People from every single part of life commit suicide.

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Quote from: Dzigie on March 25, 2023, 09:15:52 AM

Usury is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is banking. And banking is regulated by law.

Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?

Usury and prostitution are older than the term and concept of capitalism. The world has been always like this. Actually, it's said prostitution is the oldest of all professions in the world.

There are people who are greedy and want to earn money without any efforts, through the use of their own money or own bodies, then we have loan sharks and prostitutes. And even though they are frowned up in most socities, they have always existed, because there is constant demand for those services...

However, don't put this over capitalism's shoulders, as they exist as independent things.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on April 05, 2023, 12:40:24 PM

Quote from: Dzigie on March 25, 2023, 09:15:52 AM

Usury is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is banking. And banking is regulated by law.

Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?

You do realize usury is defined as excess rates of interest far higher than the norm?

"Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
u·su·ry
noun
noun: usury
the illegal action or practice of lending money at unreasonably high rates of interest.
"the medieval prohibition on usury"
Similar:
extortionate moneylending
payday lending
loan-sharking
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interest at unreasonably high rates.
Origin

Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French usurie, or from medieval Latin usuria, from Latin usura, from usus ‘a use’ (see use).
Use over time for: usury"

so if I lend you 100 dollars and want 105 back a week later = usury

and if a bank or even I lend you 100 dollars and want 105 back in a year = a legal enough loan

Usury? Nah, it's more like "you-sorry," am I right? But for real, interest rates ain't the enemy; they're just part of the game. They let lenders stack that paper while borrowers get that cash they need. Sure, there are some sketchy lenders out there, but let's focus on taking them down instead of hating on interest rates.

So when you borrow some dough, don't stress about usury. Just check the deets and know what you're getting into. And remember, borrowing can be a dope way to level up your life, as long as you keep it smart.

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Quote from: Dzigie on March 25, 2023, 09:15:52 AM

Usury is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is banking. And banking is regulated by law.

Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?

You do realize usury is defined as excess rates of interest far higher than the norm?

"Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
u·su·ry
noun
noun: usury
the illegal action or practice of lending money at unreasonably high rates of interest.
"the medieval prohibition on usury"
Similar:
extortionate moneylending
payday lending
loan-sharking
View 1 offensive word
ARCHAIC
interest at unreasonably high rates.
Origin

Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French usurie, or from medieval Latin usuria, from Latin usura, from usus ‘a use’ (see use).
Use over time for: usury"

so if I lend you 100 dollars and want 105 back a week later = usury

and if a bank or even I lend you 100 dollars and want 105 back in a year = a legal enough loan

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It can be said that the point of view on morality is a complex issue and there are many different views. There may be conflict between ethical views and financial and business regulations, however this does not mean that ethical concepts are being killed by the imposed laws of capital. Financial and business regulations can be established to ensure soundness and honesty in business operations, while protecting consumer interests and ensuring growth. But bringing politics in to see how it affects morality I think it's fair enough, when each of us was born and raised in a common environment, the earth, why keep separate, when that we can love and help each other equally. I understand the moral chaos of the moment, because it is impossible to keep it good forever according to one's own understanding, and everything when it grows to a certain extent, there is a deterioration, if it's better then it'll thrive again.

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Quote from: Kodok Bencot on April 05, 2023, 05:40:32 AM

Capitalism has changed the power of the world economy, capitalists can now easily dominate and control a country's economy, they are the real rulers, unfortunately many countries do not care about issues like this so they choose to close their eyes and allow capitalist practices.

I think that viewpoint is a bit too narrow. A capitalist can be some who makes a 1000 per week, which is in many countries a low income. Same with calling people rich because there is a belief that instead of a thousand he makes 10k without any proof that it is that way.
Even a millionaire is not that rich as many think just because he has 2 houses each 500 k worth.

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Capitalism has changed the power of the world economy, capitalists can now easily dominate and control a country's economy, they are the real rulers, unfortunately many countries do not care about issues like this so they choose to close their eyes and allow capitalist practices.

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on April 01, 2023, 02:27:39 PM

Some would argue that Porn don’t directly cause harm to people nor does it cause loss of life. Infact pornography is a thriving business venture that many has been able to make Profits of it.

But the fact that people make profits of some doesn’t make it right if not some drugs should be legalized. I believe pornography should be optional to people of the right age and this law should be enforced and not just by clicking yes I am eighteen makes one an adult.

All have laws, in my country, porn sites were banned many years ago. But the problem is that the internet is so vast, and many people defy the law that the government cannot block it or control it all. The development of technology is also a double-edged sword, with the proliferation of VPN software, blocking such pornographic sites is almost impossible. For me, the porn industry is a harmful industry, many rapes and murders are also partly rooted in pornography.

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Culture and religion can influence this matter mate. if the country is an Islamic majority, it will definitely reject the porn industry, alcohol and gambling. Although they still run it independently without any legal protection from the government. Call it the Arab kingdom, they are unlikely to legalize the industry but lately they have started to open up to the tourism industry, whereas what we know from the past the Arab kingdom was closed to foreign cultures that entered (tourists) to vacation there.

It also makes sense capitalist killing morality, and in this era the most important thing is economic progress.

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Is it possible to build a society based on ethical and moral values? This is a very difficult question...

Such experiments have been undertaken in the history of the world.

One of the most famous is the construction of socialism, as the first step towards building communism. Communism is an ideal social system in which the rule operates - "Each person contributes to the well-being of Mankind, while the needs of all people are satisfied, regardless of the size of their contribution to the common cause!" It was assumed that by the time Communism was built, the borders between all countries would disappear, and all people would adhere to high moral principles. As you know, Communism was never built.

Capitalism, unlike Communism, does not require high moral principles from people. The main virtues of the capitalist are reasonable selfishness, adequacy and vigorous activity aimed at making a profit.

Many scold capitalism because it encourages human vices. But this is not surprising, given that the basis of capitalism is a philosophical theory according to which a reasonable egoist (as opposed to a religious or communist fanatic) does good not only for himself, but for the whole society by his actions.

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Quote from: naikturun on April 04, 2023, 12:24:06 PM

yes, those are the rules, the rich make the rules so if we want to win this game we have to follow the rules in it, or at least we know how to play it.
otherwise we will only be losers and always fail, no one will tell you the rule, you must find out with yourself.

If you want to be successful, of course everyone has to find out everything for themselves because every thing that is needed will not be obtained if we are not active in looking for it. And it's not only about the rules and how to play whatever may be related to certain morals and laws in a certain scope, but also in work or in running a business that we have mastered, because the rules are only part of the points that everyone must understand before start doing something in his life.

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Quote from: Dzigie on March 25, 2023, 09:15:52 AM

Usury is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is banking. And banking is regulated by law.

Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?

I think yes, the more we don't have money, we will be looked down upon and oppressed by people. We don't have to be rich. Obviously, we have to be grateful for our situation, because some rich people will legalize any means to make money, even if they bribe the government.

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yes, those are the rules, the rich make the rules so if we want to win this game we have to follow the rules in it, or at least we know how to play it.
otherwise we will only be losers and always fail, no one will tell you the rule, you must find out with yourself.

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Quote from: bosede1 on April 01, 2023, 02:44:27 PM

In my country, it is more of a mixed economy because as we have people who do usury we have some banks which do not. For prostitution and related business, there are regulations to them to curb any excesses.

I don't understand what you mean by mixed economy, whether it's a regulation that was deliberately made by a few parties so that it looks so strange to me. Because here at my place all the rules are written clearly and are also clearly visible so that everyone almost understands how the rules of the country are even though there are those who break them sometimes.

Quote from: 19Nov16 on April 02, 2023, 02:50:16 AM

Almost all systems related to finance currently contain or have the potential to become usury, when we are late paying internet fees there will be fines and means usury, a system like this really destroys life and social values, especially most of those who have large companies and dominate the current economy are capitalists.

You also need to adjust this to your own religious rules, because those who make such rules I think are so basic, because they don't think about usury that can arise when examined through the rules of the religion that you currently adhere to. So don't equate your rules of belief with rules of economics in general because you'll never find a clearer convergence through them.

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The current world economic conditions are indeed controlled by capitalism, since the 2nd world war ended, socialist practices have slowly faded and been replaced by a capitalist system, it is natural that it causes many problems such as economic inequality, and most of the victims are native or local residents.

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Quote from: Dzigie on March 25, 2023, 09:15:52 AM

Usury is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is banking. And banking is regulated by law.

Well, if you take loans from the bank and you are late you will keep your arms and legs at least. So it's more civilized to do business with banks than with loan sharks.

Quote from: Dzigie on March 25, 2023, 09:15:52 AM

Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

It's a tricky profession where some girls are exploited from very young ages... but to not get too much into it, we can say that in countries with legalized prostitution people who work in that industry (both women and men) have some rights.

Quote from: Dzigie on March 25, 2023, 09:15:52 AM

Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?

I can quote an Italian guy from the "Kings of Cannabis" documentary again... "In Italy, he would be arrested and sentenced for what he is doing in the Netherlands fully legally". He is making a lot of money from making weed products, having stores, and people following him on social networks.
Bottom line is that some politicians still live in the stone age... following some laws and regulations from decades and centuries ago. It's the 21st century, and someone would expect people to be more open-minded and aware of the world and all the living and unloving things in this world (especially with digitalization where people can learn a lot more about everything from home).

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I think those at the top have the right to change the rules about everything,but I guess they said or changed it subtly.
and I think in some countries/regions there are still those who maintain their customs.

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Quote from: 19Nov16 on April 02, 2023, 02:50:16 AM

Quote from: bosede1 on April 01, 2023, 02:44:27 PM

In my country, it is more of a mixed economy because as we have people who do usury we have some banks which do not. For prostitution and related business, there are regulations to them to curb any excesses.

Almost all systems related to finance currently contain or have the potential to become usury, when we are late paying internet fees there will be fines and means usury, a system like this really destroys life and social values, especially most of those who have large companies and dominate the current economy are capitalists.

I think they only put that as a way to discipline the people to be prompt on paying their bills. Is it effective right? Because most people don't want to be charged by extra fees so they are now paying early or even in advance. There are still some who can't pay on time for some reasons (mostly financial) so they have no choice but to face the consequences.

@OP it's not the capitalist who killed the morality of the people but it was the people who are involved on those professions that you said (pornography). There are regulations but I don't think they are a bad thing. It might be there to prevent under age people to get involved in this business.

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