Topic: Is capitalism killing morality in the name of the law? - page 3. (Read 674 times)

Every system is killing itself, compare with the socialist countries and you see that capitalism las lifted more people out of poverty than socialist countries have people. Socialist countries tent to induce poverty as a mass indoctrination tool.

This is interesting to talk about. Somehow I think that the prostitution as an act which involves direct contact by opposite sex in sexual gratification for money or other exchange in satisfaction could be different from what capitalism has come up with in porn industry. For the Porn people, Porn industry is made in form of movie industry to also teach some people a few things or information, revelation of what they seem not to know or what will interest them. In this form like fiction movies, cartoon, epic, action movies, romantic etc and like porn movies. So they are all creation of capitalism in different forms like any other business organizations like construction companies, IT, agriculture, oil and gas etc are all the view of how a porn star or porn company director would see his business or explain it to be.
So they may not see porn industry as immoral but like any other business investment or organization.

Haha this is really true. I just saw a reel that day which showed pretty much this only. In it people were doing prostitution but eventually police catches them but they had a camera nearby so they told it's not actually prostitution it's porn as it's paid but it's being recorded. So you are correct when big companies wants things their way they know how to change the law as well. I think it's more like immoral concepts are also becoming legal due to capitalism.

You raised a good point, i want to say few words before answering your question that when i was kid i thought why is it USA and other big economic countries are making hell lot of money while my country is not regardless of import and export professions. Then i came to know that, USA and similar countries do not look at the impact on morality, of work they are doing, like the ones you mentioned and list is long.

To digest this, i come up with an answer that, what if those countries do not see capitilism as immoral because immorality of something is declared according to person's nature, culture and religion. If our culture or religion telling us, this work or profession is immoral we do not tend to work in that, even stop others too. Regardless of thinking how much money it could generate and how much tax will be paid resulting in better economy but no we just say "no" to those professions.

While these countries are not taking it as immoral professions due to the nature of there culture, so overall, to me i see them as immoral and the one who is involve in them will have to meet consequences.

Usury, prostitution, selling of drugs, usage of alcohol etc are few on my list of immoral professions.

There are thousands of jobs we can do to earn money. Making money by prostitution is the easiest and most embarrassing of these. If you ask me, I'd rather live half-starved than go through something like this. Because I am an honorable person. Do you know what honor is?
 
And why do you think I am muslim? I don't even believe in god. Is morality only their monopoly? Are you jealous of their morals? I did not give any religious references in my arguments. Do you have a hard time talking to me without reference to religious references? Please don't deviate from the topic.



Women working in the porn industry commit suicide due to drug addiction and psychological humiliation.
 
Women who commit suicide while working in other sectors experience this because of different difficulties in their social lives.
 
Are these two the same? Please don't deviate from the topic.

And I don't spread hate. Capitalism is destroying concepts such as morality and virtue created by thousands of years of human history. Please don't distort what I said. Actually, you don't have to be honest with me. You can keep accusing me of being a peasant by using derogatory terms like you always do. However, if you are not honest with yourself, you will lose your self-respect and one day you will turn into a bad person. I'm sure it would bother you if your mother acted in a porn movie. However, you have to defend even humiliating situations because the capitalism you are defending offers you this on a golden platter.



Now I will answer the question that you are very curious about. I'm here because financial freedom doesn't mean getting rich for me. Financial freedom means getting rid of the capitalist-colonial banks for me. Satoshi is a bank killer hero for me. Does it mean just making a little more money for you? Oh! Of course, this could not have meant anything else to a capitalist. Sorry for asking you this question.
 
 
Before I forget, I must say that 500,000 children killed by the USA in Iraq have provided you with a comfortable life and a great education.
https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1506706179178725379
 
https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/



How similar is it, right? There is no difference between them. He who rejects one of them rejects the other. Whoever accepts one of them also accepts the other. Would you like to make a confession to me now? Is the murder of 500 thousand children quite normal for you? How many more children will have to die before you can have a comfortable education and a comfortable life?
 
I hope I didn't put you in a difficult situation as an ordinary peasant. You elites please forgive the vulgar behavior of the common peasants, my lord.

Usury has a very serious basis.  How was it before?  

A farmer threw a grain of wheat into the damp earth and a year later received a harvest - an ear grew from one grain, on which there were hundreds of wheat grains.  

The fisherman made a fishing rod and caught several tens of kilograms of fresh fish.  

The hunter made a bow and killed a deer weighing several tens of kilograms.  The cow gave calves and milk, the chickens gave eggs....

People realized that benefits can arise from nothing, it only takes time.  Therefore, back in the days of the ancient Sumerians, people came to the idea that money is also a commodity and money can reproduce itself.  This is a very important idea.... The ancient Sumerians discovered the principle of the time value of money.  

And for a fisherman (hunter, farmer, peasant) usury was not evil.  Because people understood that it was important right now to buy grain for sowing, fishing tackle, bowstring, etc.  

Every business needs initial capital, and after making a profit, both the principal and the interest on the loan can be easily repaid.  Interest-bearing loans are the backbone of any business.

So how exactly should a bank lend money? without interest? If yes then there will be no need for the banks. Banks have their shortcomings but we can't deny how much they've added to the development of our world as we know it today. From the beginning of time lending money for interest has been a thing if a particular people, culture, religion, or belief disagrees with it then that doesn't make it immoral, we disagree on a lot of other things.
And funny you should mention prostitution. My major problem with prostitution is that it enables sex and human trafficking. If whoever is doing it is actually doing it out of their own free will then it's their life. It may be immoral to you but again it's not your life.
Capitalism, like Democracy, has its downside but it's by far the best option. There would still be prostitutes in a socialist economy.

I'm sorry, maybe I don't know something, but...
And what - for women who turned out to be alone with children, there are no options to earn money other than prostitution?
I know examples, I’ll clarify - this is in my country (maybe something is wrong with us ?! ) a woman can work remotely at home, be part-time, be an IT specialist, psychologist, pediatrician, head of a bank branch, co-owner of a company, or co-founder of an agricultural holding... Why only prostitution?! Is the woman some other kind of people?
Well, if we are talking about this topic, then let's remember the saying "a coin has two sides." The second side of the coin is the consumers of the service, or those who force them to do it ... This is a more real problem. The problem is the sale of girls for a husband at 12 years old. The problem is that in some countries - a woman from birth has a lower social status. And they are simply forced to trade themselves, because. they have NO PERSPECTIVES from birth. I won’t specify, but there are some countries and some religions where, on the one hand, the cult of PARENTS, and on the other hand, a woman (the future Mother who gives life to all of us in the physical world) has no rights ...

So you're not just someone who hasn't set foot outside his village you're also a racist?
I wonder how the tens of people around here that are black,  both Muslim and not keen on porn are digesting your quote!
Are you're going to hate your mother for the rest of your life if he had sex with two in high school, or are you going to hate her if she did that to feed your sorry ass and to afford to have you going to school instead of working in a labor camp?

Quote from: Dzigie on March 27, 2023, 10:16:01 AM

Do you think women who commit suicide while working in the porn industry are doing it because they're happy with their lives? Why are so many porn victims killing themselves?

And there are tons of women committing suicide after working in a bank or in a school
And there are tons of women stoned to death by angry mobs who want to impose theirs views on morality!

Quote from: Dzigie on March 27, 2023, 10:16:01 AM

Please reply without blaming me guys. I'm not asking you for your minority opinions in the field of theory.

Minority? Again you dream of somehow being the voice of the majority? Set foot outside your village, there are 8 billion people out there!

You still haven't answered my questions about what you do on his forum where you want to promote your hate propaganda:
How did you buy your coins? By trading morality or with money (capital)
Why did you buy your coins, not to earn more and increase your capital?

Keep your hate where it belongs locked in a closet in your basement, this is not a propaganda forum nor one where you should start to preach your absurd views on the whole world. This is about bitcoin, and as much, as you hate it bitcoin is the pure product of capitalism without control.

In my opinion capitalization is robbery supported by law, unfortunately many governments support capitalization, now few countries still maintain the role of the state and limit capitalization so that it can make its people feel more justice and economic prosperity.

I will say some countries doesn't have law and I believe that law that's meant for nation is not authentic we expected because corruption have take every where, some times people bring up their own law the way I'm seeing it perfectly, so I believe such very well, many people have taken some measures which I have seen that have putting them into problems.

That is literally what illegal means. Legal means what the government allows you to do, there is law, and if you follow the law then it is legal, and if government changes the law, which they are there for, then it will become illegal, or vice versa.

I am not against that, governments should definitely change laws and make things legal or illegal, remember owning slaves was legal at some point in history, it's not now, so the ability to change the law is something quite important without a doubt. However, some governments take this as a big deal and then change what is good into bad as well, like letting abortion be legal was great, but then turned that into illegal again for some reason.

Capitalism has a "protective mechanism against such moves, at least mass ones ... Capitalism = market. A market with equal rights, which means it is well regulated by law, and the law is not for one person, but for everyone. And there are a lot of "controlling" systems. And for example, in totalitarian countries - this just happens. But there is no morality there, there is TOTALITARISM, the purpose of which is to satisfy the fantasies of one or a small group, at the expense of the majority. Do not confuse these concepts

Legalizing something illegal is an act of capitalists who want a business to run smoothly by cooperating with lawmakers. Money and power are the main tools to achieve goals. Maybe you see it's something bad for society. But some others see it as a necessity for the community, so there is a need for legal arrangements. Maybe the two examples you gave are not so bad, but what about LGBT. But for those who want this they see it as a human right that cannot be contested.
Maybe you also saw how it was popularized.
Sorry, maybe some are happy with that and contradict what I have said. But this has violated human nature and rejected God's provisions. It is still used as a business field.
Three things that make us able to change something that is bad for the better in the general public, namely power, money, thoughts. These three things cannot be separated to achieve the goal.

There is nothing like illegal profession. Unless government doesn't want to legalise it. A profession can only be called illegal if the government is finding it difficult to regulate and earn from it. Take bitcoin for instance.
When bitcoin was new, some government tagged it to be illegal because they don't find way they can regulate it and earn from it. Now that they have discovered how to task bitcoin related payments, they have started legalising bitcoin.
Government makes law and they unmake laws, they modernise and they also victims. The government system is crooked and rigged.

Capitalism has triumphed in achieving a large part of the prosperity that we live in today, but of course this was at the expense of destroying systems that governed economic and social relations as well. Marxism explains how the moral system is basically determined by the economic system. The culture of the free market and the encouragement of individual initiative made it easy for society to break the restrictions that were imposed by the moral systems whose foundations were laid by religion and customs.
But there are many fallacies that many fall into when they start accusing the capitalist economic system of being an immoral economy, because the moral situation in the pre-capitalist systems (feudalism and slavery) was not better. The feudal lords in the previous system monopolized power by blessing religion, which was the main source of all moral legislation, either by blessing or prohibition.

Capitalism like this will continue to happen, especially with human greed, which is always looking for any way to make a profit, so something like this is very possible and puts morality aside. The role of law can also erode morale because it is certain that things that do not really reflect morally like this will still exist as long as there is a legal umbrella to protect it. with a different design already mastered.

Well, the system needs alot of immoralities to further weaken humans/societies, continue to transform them into full blown zombies and make them easy to control and conquer. It's easier for them to quickly expand their kingdom by incentivizing the evil. That is the main reason (aside from the diminshing of good things) they sell alot of bad foods, drinks, sex, drugs, etc. In their world the good can weaken their kingdom and their grip on humanity while the bad strengthens & expand it.
Similar thing happens in the micro world specifically in human cells. The invaders will have to use similar approach to take full control of the cells, by  causing the human host to consume and do things that are bad for the body then they replicate and expand quickly.

Capitalism is indeed a problem for the national economy, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and they will be expelled from the land or houses they own because of capitalism, and in my opinion the state must stop capitalism so that the state can provide justice.

You accuse me of being a peasant. Then you must pass this test.

If your mom and 7 niggers were in an action movie(?), would you consider it normal? Would that be an art for you?

Do you think women who commit suicide while working in the porn industry are doing it because they're happy with their lives? Why are so many porn victims killing themselves?


https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/

https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1506706179178725379

Oh! How can they call democracy lovers who kill children devils? It's really hard to understand this. USA came there and bought oil within free market agreements. Those who hate the USA are definitely brainwashed people. What's immoral about this? Oh, those old-school folks. Yes I remember now. Their brains were machine washed at 100 degrees Celsius along with colored laundry. I guess that's why they're like this.



Please reply without blaming me guys. I'm not asking you for your minority opinions in the field of theory. I want to learn how we are pushed under the opposite imposition when almost the entire world has the same views as me in the field of practice.