Pages:
Author

Topic: Is gambling a weird way of weath redistribution? - page 4. (Read 1530 times)

hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 509
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Yesterday I was sorting my winnings tickets I put while watching the game, had quite a nice sum and while standing in line to cash them I thought about how money is moving around, got the idea it's pretty close to a wealth redistribution.

Might be a stupid theory but hear me out on this, we have the gamblers that bet on 1 million, half of them lose, half of them win, the casinos get their 5% share, from this share they pay wages and rent and other costs, cutting the part where the casino gets the money it's that basically gamblers pay the wages of the whole staff manning those, and they also shuffle money between them.
Assuming rich people have more to lose and their share of the losses is bigger, taking into account they support with this money a ton of jobs, 70 000 in Europe alone, is this a form of wealth redistribution?
Realistically money doesn't stay at a place it literally goes round, what makes you wealthy and rich is what you do with it when it comes to you. A fee gamblers are wealthy probably they have got another source of income from which they bring in their funds into the casino and when they loose it, it goes to the other gamblers who win so it's the even movement and distribution therefore I would agree with your wealth distribution theory because when this money turns around it still comes to the wealthy and later leave again by the time they are done using it for one thing or the other, just like the casino, they pay rent, pay their staffs and use the other money to run the business, their staff further proceed to use the money for their personal need and some of the gamblers offer the services of a daily need so this gives an idea into the rotation and even distribution of wealth.
legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 1102
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
It all boils down to why you do it, but the entertainment, in my opinion, should be the main goal, with the money you are okay to spend. Of course, usually, the odds aren't on your side, but it doesn't mean you should think that the whole world is against you.
If entertainment is the primary goal, then winning and losing will not be a problem for those who set such a goal because the goal of entertainment is simply to have fun through gambling so there is no problem whatsoever whether they have to lose or win. In addition, people who have such a goal will definitely use money they can afford to spend in one go without thinking too much about it when the money doesn't come back to them.
hero member
Activity: 1008
Merit: 520
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Casino are business ventures, and unlike the physical casino that requires physical structure and staffing that results into much expenses for the team, but lately cryptocurrency casino have made things a whole lot easier for the operator because are that is very important is the casino site itself, since there is no need to build a physical structure for online gambling and the number of staffs are drastically reduced in cryptocurrency casino's, this make the Revenue more tangible and the expenses less for the team, but note this, casino is a highly lucrative business and at that they make alot of money, and to get guarantee that they are always at gain, they implement what we call the house edge structure where the casino is always put at advantage over the gambler.

So regardless of how much money is won by gambler's, the ratio is and will not be upto how much the casino earns in revenue from the loses that occur on daily basis from gamblers games, times, so the revenue is a none stop for them even though gambler's own income from winning is just based on luck and chances which doesn't happen all the time.
copper member
Activity: 56
Merit: 1

Might be a stupid theory but hear me out on this, we have the gamblers that bet on 1 million, half of them lose, half of them win, the casinos get their 5% share, from this share they pay wages and rent and other costs, cutting the part where the casino gets the money it's that basically gamblers pay the wages of the whole staff manning those, and they also shuffle money between them.
Every business is sustained by the proceeds of that business, and the proceeds of a casino comes from the gamblers using the casino, do that's how it should be, the gamblers funds are used to service everyday activities of the casino and the casino still benefits from the excesses.

I also stand to believe that the casino investsa good percentage of the profits in some other profitable ventures to serve as a backup funds to support the casino in the events they have massive wins and available funds can't cover them all.

Yeah, it can do whatever it wants with them, even if it's not related to getting it back into the house to make it better. If the profit is bigger - why not?
sr. member
Activity: 490
Merit: 346
Let love lead

Might be a stupid theory but hear me out on this, we have the gamblers that bet on 1 million, half of them lose, half of them win, the casinos get their 5% share, from this share they pay wages and rent and other costs, cutting the part where the casino gets the money it's that basically gamblers pay the wages of the whole staff manning those, and they also shuffle money between them.
Every business is sustained by the proceeds of that business, and the proceeds of a casino comes from the gamblers using the casino, do that's how it should be, the gamblers funds are used to service everyday activities of the casino and the casino still benefits from the excesses.

I also stand to believe that the casino investsa good percentage of the profits in some other profitable ventures to serve as a backup funds to support the casino in the events they have massive wins and available funds can't cover them all.
hero member
Activity: 2814
Merit: 618
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Yesterday I was sorting my winnings tickets I put while watching the game, had quite a nice sum and while standing in line to cash them I thought about how money is moving around, got the idea it's pretty close to a wealth redistribution.

Might be a stupid theory but hear me out on this, we have the gamblers that bet on 1 million, half of them lose, half of them win, the casinos get their 5% share, from this share they pay wages and rent and other costs, cutting the part where the casino gets the money it's that basically gamblers pay the wages of the whole staff manning those, and they also shuffle money between them.
Assuming rich people have more to lose and their share of the losses is bigger, taking into account they support with this money a ton of jobs, 70 000 in Europe alone, is this a form of wealth redistribution?

I would rephrase it as the wealth re-distribution to the casino, more than anyone else. Whenever any gambler loses a bet or the casino game, all the money goes to the gambling casino. Gambling casino only takes certain percentages if it is a peer to peer game but such games are usually very less or none in most casino.

In case, the gambler wins the casino have to give money from themselves but there are enough losers at the casino that even paying all the winners, the casino's are still in profit.
copper member
Activity: 56
Merit: 1
You're not wrong about wealth redistribution but you got the numbers wrong.

Casino takes 100% (in the end) and Players lose 100%.

It's an addiction and they're selling the drug.

It always ends the same, that's why I never gambled in my life.

...Then why I'm in the "Gambling" zone ? just for fun.

 Cheesy

It doesn't matter who wins the house always wins, I took out my time to check 1x bet crash without playing, I was just carefully observing what the users are staking and how much the casino takes in each round, the cumulative stake from every user might be 2 million naira for a single round but the Total amount won for the round might just be 4 hundred thousand, you can see the amount difference.. i definitely agree with your point, indeed players 100 %... gambling is a rigged game you can only get lucky

It all boils down to why you do it, but the entertainment, in my opinion, should be the main goal, with the money you are okay to spend. Of course, usually, the odds aren't on your side, but it doesn't mean you should think that the whole world is against you.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 520
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
You're not wrong about wealth redistribution but you got the numbers wrong.

Casino takes 100% (in the end) and Players lose 100%.

It's an addiction and they're selling the drug.

It always ends the same, that's why I never gambled in my life.

...Then why I'm in the "Gambling" zone ? just for fun.

 Cheesy

It doesn't matter who wins the house always wins, I took out my time to check 1x bet crash without playing, I was just carefully observing what the users are staking and how much the casino takes in each round, the cumulative stake from every user might be 2 million naira for a single round but the Total amount won for the round might just be 4 hundred thousand, you can see the amount difference.. i definitely agree with your point, indeed players 100 %... gambling is a rigged game you can only get lucky
copper member
Activity: 56
Merit: 1
[...]the casinos are winning most money. I will say casinos take 95% of the money.
The casinos will always make much more profits than the gamblers would .. mind you, they don't have to pay for whatever expenditures from their own pockets. Whatever interest they make is allocated to paying taxes, renewal of license, paying staffs and teams on operation etc...

Regardless of this fact, the house edge for any casino isn't that small for them to have 95% of the money like you said... Some curious researchers bought leaked data and analyzed this; casinos can go with 82% or less, the rest remains an opportunity for anyone that gets lucky. Remember, they won't have anymore patronage if nobody is winning.

Yeah, it's a coin with two sides: the casino isn't an angel, but it's not the devil. It's a golden medium part where it should stay in for both the profits and prominence (combined with trust).
jr. member
Activity: 29
Merit: 3
gamblers that bet on 1 million, half of them lose, half of them win,

Nope, you're wrong unless the probability of the game is 1/2 even it doesn't mean 50% of the people will win or lose.

It was just an example, no number in this world would be accurate.
Almost every business makes money from average joe either it's service-based or manufacturing based company so now we need to look how much employees will be required to operate a casino I am pretty much sure it won't even past 20 for most of the online casinos that deals with millions that sums it's not really the great idea from the perspective of encouraging people to gamble because it create job opportunities or wealth distribution as you describes.

I will reply to you despite a lot putting the same question but I won't quote a dozen people!

Manufacturing means creating a product that implies production costs and that scales with quantity, in a casino they will have the same costs for a guy waging 1 million or one waging 100, with a manufacturing or a grocery shop the client only gets the product, there is no client that goes in with $100 and comes back out with $200 and 10 premium steaks.

There are people that lose money and people who earn money, people that get paid to intermediate this, the staff, and the casino. What other organization you know that tax some more and gives some money,  employees people and pays  them from that tax? Every country has one!  Wink
hero member
Activity: 2828
Merit: 611
Psychology, the urge for risk and reward, is key. Knowledge protects you. Without it, you chase dopamine and easy money. Gambling involves the dark side of human desire with the brutal fact of odds, not a game. It can trick anyone into seeing fortunes in emptiness. Take a skeptical stance and control your emotions. Accept that gambling involves losing as well as winning. Respect money and its psychological games. This is about mental resilience against the addictive cycle that can draw you in and spit you out, not just pocketbook protection
Knowledge can't protect you all the time, especially when it comes to gambling. You will often see people having a vast knowledge about gambling and similar things becoming addicted to gambling, the reason is that they can't control the urge to gamble after they start gambling. So, the key to protecting yourself from gambling and its negative side is to have self-control and patience, if you think you don't have that because a person should know himself better, you shouldn't get into gambling in the first place.

Those who know they lack self-control and patience but still get into gambling will have to face the consequences of doing that. We shouldn't do things that we are not good at, so if I know that I can't do something efficiently and if I do it, I will have to face negative consequences, I wouldn't do it at all.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 1298
In my view the story of the wealth redistribution will be never over  and the gambling is one of the oldest chapter in it. When the name of the game is money the witiest minds of humanity invents more and more gambling recipes to empty your pockets in favor of the money-bags who keep casinos and other places of entertainment.
legendary
Activity: 2422
Merit: 1083
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Yesterday I was sorting my winnings tickets I put while watching the game, had quite a nice sum and while standing in line to cash them I thought about how money is moving around, got the idea it's pretty close to a wealth redistribution.

Might be a stupid theory but hear me out on this, we have the gamblers that bet on 1 million, half of them lose, half of them win, the casinos get their 5% share, from this share they pay wages and rent and other costs, cutting the part where the casino gets the money it's that basically gamblers pay the wages of the whole staff manning those, and they also shuffle money between them.
Assuming rich people have more to lose and their share of the losses is bigger, taking into account they support with this money a ton of jobs, 70 000 in Europe alone, is this a form of wealth redistribution?
Not just casinos or gambling, but every business in the world is contributing their quarter in wealth distribution around the world, this is something that should be really easy for us all to understand.

Running a casino is a very good and lucrative business for those who know how to run it well, while gamblers are the customers who patronize the casino as every business needs a customer or else, the business fails, so, when the gamblers take their money to the casino and lose it, while some win, the casino takes that money, and out of it, they pay those that won, they pay their workers, they pay their game partners, they handle other expenses as it regards to the running of the casino, and the remaining, they use to sort out their issues as it regards to their personal lives, this is wealth distribution.
hero member
Activity: 2366
Merit: 793
Bitcoin = Financial freedom
gamblers that bet on 1 million, half of them lose, half of them win,

Nope, you're wrong unless the probability of the game is 1/2 even it doesn't mean 50% of the people will win or lose.

gamblers pay the wages of the whole staff manning those, and they also shuffle money between them.
Assuming rich people have more to lose and their share of the losses is bigger, taking into account they support with this money a ton of jobs, 70 000 in Europe alone, is this a form of wealth redistribution?

Almost every business makes money from average joe either it's service-based or manufacturing based company so now we need to look how much employees will be required to operate a casino I am pretty much sure it won't even past 20 for most of the online casinos that deals with millions that sums it's not really the great idea from the perspective of encouraging people to gamble because it create job opportunities or wealth distribution as you describes.
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 1045
Goodnight, ohh Leo!!! 🦅
[...]the casinos are winning most money. I will say casinos take 95% of the money.
The casinos will always make much more profits than the gamblers would .. mind you, they don't have to pay for whatever expenditures from their own pockets. Whatever interest they make is allocated to paying taxes, renewal of license, paying staffs and teams on operation etc...

Regardless of this fact, the house edge for any casino isn't that small for them to have 95% of the money like you said... Some curious researchers bought leaked data and analyzed this; casinos can go with 82% or less, the rest remains an opportunity for anyone that gets lucky. Remember, they won't have anymore patronage if nobody is winning.
hero member
Activity: 1694
Merit: 691
Vave.com - Crypto Casino
I do not agree with this. Casinos are not having just 5% from their customers. That is why most gambling sites do not prefer gamblers to gamble between themselves but the gamblers to be gambling with the casinos and the casinos are winning most money. I will say casinos take 95% of the money.

About the money redistribution, I do not think that is worth talking about. I understood your point and you are correct. But redistribution is not correct about this because it is about sharing something (which is money here) among people. The money is not shared to the gamblers that are losing the money to the gambling sites.

       -     I get what you mean, Mate, which is that the more you really benefit from the casino, not the casino gamblers themselves. So it is true that the casino really benefits the gamblers.

Why did I say that? That's because the number of losses is more frequent than the gambling winner and the gambling platforms are more profitable.

There is actually a bit of confusion because there are also people who say that casinos only take a few percent from gamblers and the rest of the losses from other gamblers are thrown to other gamblers, so there is a thought of distributing wealth in this thought, this is possible because we do not know how the mechanism of the system is in gambling.

Meanwhile there are people like you who say like that, that the real winner is the casino because they will accept the defeat of the gamblers and they win the most, so the fortunes that occur in gambling, especially in luck-based games are controlled by the casino itself, they make the selection of who will be given the winnings on a certain day and or on who the gamblers are playing and there they start choosing, this is just the opinion of my friend who owns an online casino too, they control everything, but I have not confirmed for myself what the truth is.
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1100
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
~snip~
Yes, because at first I was also a beginner who did misunderstand how gambling actually was so that in the end I experienced addiction, but thank God I managed to recover by using the methods I created myself, in conclusion, more or less I know enough about the various things experienced and felt by gamblers who have entered the addiction cycle, And one thing I will always advise all gamblers, especially those beginners, to first have the right understanding of how gambling is actually, because understanding is the main key to being able to stay safe in gambling, in the sense that by having the right understanding, it is less likely for a gambler to take various actions that are beyond his ability.

On the other hand, as you said, the initial mistake of beginners is thinking that they will be able to get a lot of money, or think that gambling can make them a rich man, when obviously it is nothing more than a delusion, because the reality is quite the opposite, simply put, instead of earning but what happens is that they lose money in the long run. In essence, there is nothing else I would say and suggest to beginners other than to first understand what gambling is really about, in the sense of understanding that gambling provides a winning opportunity to multiply their money but along with realizing that gambling can lose them even greater amounts of money. This is a neutral point of view that can prevent them from making impulsive actions and decisions.
Psychology, the urge for risk and reward, is key. Knowledge protects you. Without it, you chase dopamine and easy money. Gambling involves the dark side of human desire with the brutal fact of odds, not a game. It can trick anyone into seeing fortunes in emptiness. Take a skeptical stance and control your emotions. Accept that gambling involves losing as well as winning. Respect money and its psychological games. This is about mental resilience against the addictive cycle that can draw you in and spit you out, not just pocketbook protection
sr. member
Activity: 938
Merit: 303
Might be a stupid theory but hear me out on this, we have the gamblers that bet on 1 million, half of them lose, half of them win, the casinos get their 5% share, from this share they pay wages and rent and other costs, cutting the part where the casino gets the money it's that basically gamblers pay the wages of the whole staff manning those, and they also shuffle money between them.
I do not agree with this. Casinos are not having just 5% from their customers. That is why most gambling sites do not prefer gamblers to gamble between themselves but the gamblers to be gambling with the casinos and the casinos are winning most money. I will say casinos take 95% of the money.

About the money redistribution, I do not think that is worth talking about. I understood your point and you are correct. But redistribution is not correct about this because it is about sharing something (which is money here) among people. The money is not shared to the gamblers that are losing the money to the gambling sites.

       -     I get what you mean, Mate, which is that the more you really benefit from the casino, not the casino gamblers themselves. So it is true that the casino really benefits the gamblers.

Why did I say that? That's because the number of losses is more frequent than the gambling winner and the gambling platforms are more profitable.
sr. member
Activity: 588
Merit: 338
...cutting the part where the casino gets the money it's that basically gamblers pay the wages of the whole staff manning those, and they also shuffle money between them.
That is the same with all businesses, you pay the salaries of the grocery staffs when you purchase a product, you pay the salaries of the airport workers when you book a flight, money you pay to services are used to keep the service running and leave a good enough profit margin for the business.

Gambling is not wealth redistribution, but involves transfer of money as does everything else we pay for.

- Jay -
Casinos are money making ventures and they redistribute money from their earnings just like any other businesses but the difference is that they reap off their customers far more than they give them. They keep the chunk of their earnings and pay peanut to their staff just like many other business owners. In fairness to gambling companies, although the percentage of gamblers that loses are far more than those that wins but the ones that wins are given many times the amount that they used to gamble.

I regard any business that makes profits and pays people money from it, pays taxes from it to be categorized among wealth redistribution, so from this perspective casinos are included.
legendary
Activity: 3276
Merit: 3537
Nec Recisa Recedit
there is no kind of wealth redistribution.
simply those who have already won are the ones who offer you the game.
if there was real risk in this type of business there wouldn't be so much competition between casinos and bookmakers.
Pages:
Jump to: