Topic: IS GIVING RED-TRUST THAT NON-EXPLANATORY ? - page 3. (Read 2901 times)

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Please do create your own thread about your amnesia issues. By no means ever try to provide specific examples of shit you're accusing others of because where's the fun in that, you sleazy hypocrite.

After 8 years of being active here, my "trust farming" strategy is certainly taking the slow approach isn't it? Almost like what you describe as  "trust farming" is indistinguishable from being an active and trusted member here for many years. What retaliatory bullshit? Please do cite specific examples.



As I suspected, you are a naive dope sucking down stories from people with a grudge feeding you fairy tales. I absolutely do not add everyone I have had a successful trade with to my trust list. If I did that my trust list would include several HUNDREDS of people. This accusation is just pure horse shit.

Lets for the sake of argument assume you leave personal differences out of the decision, you aren't very good at gauging that in others and simply take the words of those with long standing vendettas at face value. The accusation you are referring to here is first of all made by Nutilduhh who has a very long standing gripe stemming from their interactions with me not only involving the trust system but from discussions in Politics & Society. This of course all happened the same time this thread occurred where I successfully mediated a dispute between some members of the Turkish section and Timelord2067. At this point some of them included me on their trust list putting me back on default trust triggering a string of accusations and attacks from the same group of people I have been calling out for their behavior for some time.

I am trying to help build a culture of restorative not punitive justice here and the goobers following me around like little harpies for calling them out about their own punitive behavior get dopes like you to join in their chorus and do their bidding because you don't know any better. You are being used as a tool. Are you arguing that I shouldn't be trying to help resolve disputes because some one MIGHT include me after? GOD FORBID people start doing things to reduce disputes and build trust because of it right? I mean that would be horrible! Can you tell me exactly how I can continue to do this and avoid these accusations of manipulation in the future? I would love to hear your solution.

First of all lets address your "beliefs". You are claiming now you know what goes on inside my head and should be judged based on what you IMAGINE my goals are? How could that possibly be damaging to apply this methodology to the community right? I mean why base ratings and exclusions on observable instances of theft, violation of contractual agreements, or violation of applicable laws when you can just IMAGINE some one did something wrong? Just so it is clearly and openly stated, this has never been my goal, and the aspersions cast in the original thread accusing of this are yet again a long string of speculations that could literally be applied to ANY user here who is active using the trust system.

In the case of the Turkish members, I got involved because they are a group OUTSIDE of the current one controlling the default trust, which is I suspect why they were being targeted because they would dilute control the current group at the time had on it. This is also exactly why I was targeted for helping them understand and better approach the situation instead of just getting themselves all excluded and making them irrelevant. My goal was never inclusion, but to break the iron grip the current default trust group has on the system, making it more difficult for them to act with impunity. Of course around here, no good deed goes unpunished. Call in the clowns. Don't forget your red nose DireWolfM14.

I excluded you for one reason and one reason only; I don't like the philosophy you use to build your trust list.  I don't think that adding everyone with whom you've had a successful trade is a good strategy.  Regardless of our personal differences, if you applied a trust-list philosophy that more closely aligned with mine, you would be on my inclusion list, not exclusions.  I leave my personal differences out of the decision.

However, recently I've perceived something else that I find damaging; I think you've been trying to manipulate the system.  You've been including people with the hope that they include you.  You've been adding folks from specific local boards who have running disagreements with other DT1 members, again in the hope that they add you.  Of course there's no way to prove this, but it's my belief that you are operating this way.  

This reciprocal/retaliatory approach to the trust system is damaging, and goes against everything you claim to be fighting for.



By no means was I trying to conflate the two, or suggest that the OP's behavior justified the negative review left by Lauda.  I completely disagree with this and a few other reviews recently left by Lauda, so I did what I feel is right; I exclude Lauda from my trust settings shortly after I read the OP of this thread.

What a vivid imagination. Fits well with your trust farming and retaliatory bullshit that you want to be left alone at.

Just because I don't think your wide net shotgunning strategy in a futile attempt to catch minor scammers justifies the means doesn't make me "scam friendly". As I stated before, with a little common sense and some due diligence the vast majority of the people you claim to be protecting us from can be avoided. Power tripping control freak dictators can not be escaped and everyone suffers from them. I know you enjoy injecting yourself into peoples business as much as possible, but I as well as many others here enjoy an atmosphere of being left the fuck alone unless otherwise victimizing others. Your internet cop strategy is just simply antithetical to that goal. If you want to wipe bum bums, child proof everything, and kiss ouchies have some kids.

Hold your horses. Trust ratings can and should be used for a lot of stuff that isn't outright scamming, stop trying to define it how it suits you. If you want to go that route, just exclude Lauda and proceed on your merry way - you got your own trust system in your custom trust list.

But if you're talking about "ability to trade smoothly" then you're probably talking about DT and I doubt that even with scam-friendly weasels like TECSHARE in it we'll stoop down to the "do any shady shit just don't steal money" standard.

It is not a good reason to hamper someones ability to trade smoothly here, this is an open forum, discussed many times before and why is it that difficult for this type of users to use trust ratings to indicate scammer only? The rating I am talking about are on the people who have not scammed any funds, with no real victims. You know, it's even hard for some people around to accept apologise !

Being a plagiarizing sockpuppeting weasel is still not a good reason to get red trust, let alone sending A FUCKING MERIT. IMO.

I was curious by your comment the other day, so after scraping a little data together, it seems there's a good chance next year indeed the flippening might occur; sometime between Spring and Autumn would be the forecast DT1 wise. Of course anything could happen in the meantime, but if these power & logarithmic curves are anything to go, while the rate of behavior/attitude maintains itself, then someone is losing their power - only statistically speaking of course. Yup, I went there.

Did I say it was why I put you on my excluded list or why you stay there? You are a dope who buys the whipped up horse shit of the DT mob clowns and excluded me when I didn't do anything wrong. Of course that is why I excluded you, because you either have no common sense or you are on your knees in front of them. Either way I don't want you on my list.

You apologized... in the same post, then posted it anyway. Why actually post it if you were sorry and knew it was off topic? Excuse me if I think you are full of shit with your disingenuous apology here. Yeah, right, you are not here to scrutinize the victim, just be the one to dredge up unrelated bullshit completely off topic which conveniently not only misdirects the actual topic of discussion but then shifts blame to the accuser. How convenient you get curious about such a thing right now in the middle of this topic.

This is why I don't trust you, because you pretend to be moderate and nice but really you are full of shit and it is covered by a thin veneer of please and thank you. You are the new front line for the DT mob playing the role of the moderate so you can inject your bullshit for them to follow up and do the real hammering. You played the same role with me. Either you are too dumb and naive to recognize this dynamic or you are just plain old full of shit.

Thanks for the response.



We both know the only reason I'm on your distrust list is because I put you on mine.



That's why I apologized for going off topic in the first place.  That's why I asked for clarification on something (unrelated) that struck me as odd.



I'm not here to scrutinize the victim, I have no desire to do so.  I'm not looking for any excuses or false equivalencies.  But, being the victim of abuse does not shield one from the ramifications of also being abusive.  Just because this topic was started to point out one type of abuse doesn't mean I should ignore the potential existence of another.

I am not the only one who thinks the posts is constructive and deserves merit. I think this is the most right thing to say.



Rather, here I don't even intended to target any specific user, the thread is created for the sole reason of discussion of the general views around such types of red trusting issues and what changes could be made by the community to avoid such. Please don't boil this under double standards.

I was tagged once because I have sent merit to post, it is not cool. Good thing is that person who sent me negative removed it.

Why would you merit post where Tec's hare calls lauda scammer and you defend OG when other users call him out and you don't send them merit?

Makes no sense, double standards.

Right, the problem is the community not reacting to such type of abuse in an expected manner which is even suggested by theymos himself (the creator of this political system).

I would also appreciate that members stay on topic here, especially high-ranking ones who should know better to be honest.


To be clear: the legitimacy of any accusations against hacker1001101001 are irrelevant here, as it's maliciously off-topic, hence distracts from the topic. If anything, the legitimacy of these claims have been reduced considerably by default, due to the unconventional and controversial manner in which they were raised. I hope that other members reading this can see the obvious deflection tactics being used.

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To return to the topic, this is the sort of person and mentality that is being discussed at the moment, yet again:


As a reminder, this user does not care about the opinions, concerns or recommendations of others, despite being trusted by many DT1 members:


This obviously reflects badly upon those who trust this user's judgement, as opposed to the user in question, who openly doesn't care:


Lauda isn't the problem here.

This is exactly the kind of stuff that keeps you on my excluded list. This has nothing to do with the topic or the rating he received. If you want to scrutinize the target of abuse until you feel you have reached a point of false equivalence start your own topic on the matter if it is so critically important.

Very less, I know, but it was not posted mistakenly but intendedly. I was rather engaged in ICOs and there marketing at that time and many users offering such services come into contact for promotion. I don't know who posted it under my pseudoynym, but it happened without my notice.



The user I am talking to is airtman or @Gifthoy ( the person posting that thread ). My statement that "yes, you mentioned that we offer paid posting." was as I was unaware he was offering bumping and even involving me in it, I got in contact with him due to my involvements in ICOs back then. Even later I asked him to lock the thread as I was not willing to engage in any such activities here. Proof.

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Thanks for being civil and saying sorry to go off-topic but better PM me with your concern, I would be happy to address. The topic in the OP is bit more severe.

Wait a minute, sorry to go off topic here but there's something I'd like clarified:  Some random redditor (coincidentally using the exact same pseudonym that you use here) mistakenly posted your actual Telegram username on reddit?  What are the odds of that happening?

And then some random newbie offering the same service as the reddit post also mistakenly posted your Telegram username in a post here on the forum?

In that screen shot you posted the user to whom you were talking complained about getting red-tagged, to which you responded "yes, you mentioned that we offer paid posting."  Care to shed more light on how all of this happened?  

That is not even my reddit account, it has just one post which has my telegram ID, that doesn't prove I have posted that message.



Yes, I think it's acceptable and many reputed members already do have alts here. It's not even banned by forum rules.


I agree this is my twitter account, which I don't even use often but yaa it's mine. WTF is wrong with it ?


Yes, it is my account I created 2 years back, but not logged in from an year or so ! WTF is worng with it ?


airtman is not my account, this is were your deactive work got deflected. He just used my telegram ID once, I even asked him on telegram immediately to remove my ID from the posts as I was unaware what he was offering properly. I even have proof of telling him that don't involve me here, but he was unable to edit the thread.



One last time, this is MY own account, I AM the operator of this account right from the date of creation.

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Now please stay on topic here, pull up all your personal attacks somewhere else. You are looking pretty bad.

its accepted if you asked lauda and his colleagues,they wont admit these are power abuses using the trust system.