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Quote from: El duderino_ on December 30, 2019, 06:53:23 AM

the main thing I don't understand on whole of the forum is why people curse this much ... like truly everyone

Quote from: eddie13 on December 29, 2019, 02:02:45 PM

my ass..

You are right..
I use foul words sometimes when I shouldn't but I'm not sure if you could ever find me using them to insult anyone..
I try not to use insults in general..

Quote from: LeGaulois on December 30, 2019, 03:46:55 PM

-snip-

Well that sucks, even though it is a bit beside the point, it doesn't lend itself well to the point..
Not many of us survive the extreme scrutinization after being outspoken, but some of us do.. It hurts the point though..

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Quote from: El duderino_ on December 30, 2019, 05:14:21 PM

Main thing here is i'm saying the point of that specific NEG-feedback for that reason of that merit on that post was inappropriate... Here i'm saying that imo Lauda is wrong then why being a d*ck towards me, here i'm just showing i'm a guy that isn't on no ones side or whatsoever and in some cases members as you can be right, on other Lauda could have a point...
Thats not unreasonable I think, but on other things I could sometimes better read the OP carefully before saying some things that isn't based on the full story, for that I know I have been wrong for some people...

Maybe read what I said again. I have no control over whether you get offended or not, only you do. I am not going to mute my words because you take offense to them, sorry. You can either find a way to deal with it or keep complaining about it, either way I won't be catering to your demands to fix something you have complete control over.

Fair enough, i'm not offended, maybe misread or read a bit fast as i'm multi amusing myself at this moment ... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: El duderino_ on December 30, 2019, 05:14:21 PM

Main thing here is i'm saying the point of that specific NEG-feedback for that reason of that merit on that post was inappropriate... Here i'm saying that imo Lauda is wrong then why being a d*ck towards me, here i'm just showing i'm a guy that isn't on no ones side or whatsoever and in some cases members as you can be right, on other Lauda could have a point...
Thats not unreasonable I think, but on other things I could sometimes better read the OP carefully before saying some things that isn't based on the full story, for that I know I have been wrong for some people...

Maybe read what I said again. I have no control over whether you get offended or not, only you do. I am not going to mute my words because you take offense to them, sorry. You can either find a way to deal with it or keep complaining about it, either way I won't be catering to your demands to fix something you have complete control over.

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Quote from: El duderino_ on December 30, 2019, 02:40:47 PM

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Quote from: El duderino_ on December 30, 2019, 06:35:42 AM

I don't know but for Lauda is still a person that catches a lot of spammers and did helped the forum on many ways, with continuously searching spammers/scammers and whatsoever then of-course you will be a hated person by a lot of members as well and many will try to stop that person and....
So I think he/she earned a lot of credit by helping out, I do remember having a question and being answered prompt (don't remember the matter instantly, but it was fast) Then again if the red-feedback was only on that merit post that was saying something over highly respected members then I would say thats over the line.... Imo I would say its fair to remove the red and maybe make a neutral in which you say something but red-feedback isn't at its place (for me).

You sound like an abused house wife telling us how much her man has changed for the better as she holds an ice pack to her eye.

I don’t know how to say this sir and I would pick my words carefully but there just are no other words like you are a d*ck that behaves himself under very much circumstances as a total d*ck!

I wouldn’t distrust you for a trade or whatsoever but I do dislike your approach to many other members.....

With words I know I doesn’t have to cross swords with you cause that a losing situation for even when I would be right it’s still exhausting and would end in a loss probably though I just know on behavior toward another member, other persons I will outclass you any day.

you don't have to be derogatory to everyone at any time.... you are a Legendary old timer, behave as one.... It will lead you to better places.

Even Lauda didn’t agree with me telling you had a point, though he didn’t disrespect my sayings as you always do for who know which reasons.

I am a dick. Other people might describe me as blunt and direct. I am well aware I rub some people the wrong way, and I frankly am not that concerned about it. What I am more concerned about is people not abusing the systems here to pursue vendettas against others for doing little more than rubbing them the wrong way.

My comment was not intended to be derogatory but rather elucidating to the pattern you are exhibiting as it is indeed a common one. If this offends you that is unfortunate, but dancing around the truth often allows it to be obfuscated. You seem to be the type of person who would tolerate long term abuse if you could avoid conflict, I am not. I would rather have an all out conflict and get it over with and have long term peace. This forum has a pathological obsession with conflict avoidance. Conflict often serves many positive purposes, the trick is figuring out the difference between the purposeful and the futile. There is no point to class if it means sacrificing your values. Violating your own principles for the sake of avoiding conflict is not classy at all.

Main thing here is i'm saying the point of that specific NEG-feedback for that reason of that merit on that post was inappropriate... Here i'm saying that imo Lauda is wrong then why being a d*ck towards me, here i'm just showing i'm a guy that isn't on no ones side or whatsoever and in some cases members as you can be right, on other Lauda could have a point...
Thats not unreasonable I think, but on other things I could sometimes better read the OP carefully before saying some things that isn't based on the full story, for that I know I have been wrong for some people...

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Quote from: El duderino_ on December 30, 2019, 02:40:47 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 30, 2019, 01:32:09 PM

Quote from: El duderino_ on December 30, 2019, 06:35:42 AM

I don't know but for Lauda is still a person that catches a lot of spammers and did helped the forum on many ways, with continuously searching spammers/scammers and whatsoever then of-course you will be a hated person by a lot of members as well and many will try to stop that person and....
So I think he/she earned a lot of credit by helping out, I do remember having a question and being answered prompt (don't remember the matter instantly, but it was fast) Then again if the red-feedback was only on that merit post that was saying something over highly respected members then I would say thats over the line.... Imo I would say its fair to remove the red and maybe make a neutral in which you say something but red-feedback isn't at its place (for me).

You sound like an abused house wife telling us how much her man has changed for the better as she holds an ice pack to her eye.

I don’t know how to say this sir and I would pick my words carefully but there just are no other words like you are a d*ck that behaves himself under very much circumstances as a total d*ck!

I wouldn’t distrust you for a trade or whatsoever but I do dislike your approach to many other members.....

With words I know I doesn’t have to cross swords with you cause that a losing situation for even when I would be right it’s still exhausting and would end in a loss probably though I just know on behavior toward another member, other persons I will outclass you any day.

you don't have to be derogatory to everyone at any time.... you are a Legendary old timer, behave as one.... It will lead you to better places.

Even Lauda didn’t agree with me telling you had a point, though he didn’t disrespect my sayings as you always do for who know which reasons.

I am a dick. Other people might describe me as blunt and direct. I am well aware I rub some people the wrong way, and I frankly am not that concerned about it. What I am more concerned about is people not abusing the systems here to pursue vendettas against others for doing little more than rubbing them the wrong way.

My comment was not intended to be derogatory but rather elucidating to the pattern you are exhibiting as it is indeed a common one. If this offends you that is unfortunate, but dancing around the truth often allows it to be obfuscated. You seem to be the type of person who would tolerate long term abuse if you could avoid conflict, I am not. I would rather have an all out conflict and get it over with and have long term peace. This forum has a pathological obsession with conflict avoidance. Conflict often serves many positive purposes, the trick is figuring out the difference between the purposeful and the futile. There is no point to class if it means sacrificing your values. Violating your own principles for the sake of avoiding conflict is not classy at all.

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I have to say.... thats not cool as not good for the community.... writing in others name just to earn coin could be addressed as just spamming....

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Look like you were thinking I agree with Lauda but I don't. But since you say it is my double standard, it doesn't matter a lot.

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but your views on the issue would reflect your nature. I would rather claim this as your double standards

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Yes you act like if you seem to care about the forum community and ask people opinion, but why didn't you ask it too in the OP if

Do you think it's good for the community to propose your service to manage multiple Bitcointalk accounts to participate in signature campaigns https://www.reddit.com/user/hacker1001101001/comments/7l0pv6/hirefor_managing_bitcointalk_accounts/

Do you think it's good for the forum community to have multiple accounts here?
https://web.archive.org/web/20180627125302/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2454436.msg25181383
https://twitter.com/1001101001hack
https://web.archive.org/web/20191229174919/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1329605
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/airtman-1727627

Do you think it's good for the community to offer ICOs bumping service?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45768373

Now I would like to read from other members what I'm supposed to think about this, is it helping the forum community?

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I forgot to ask...
Who is managing this account today? What was your previous account before you register this one?

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Look like I have some things to add but I need to use @LoyceV and @DdmrDdmr tools and it bothers me because I don't like to jump into the fights here. But if what I think is right, the issue is bigger than that

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Quote from: TECSHARE on December 30, 2019, 01:32:09 PM

Quote from: El duderino_ on December 30, 2019, 06:35:42 AM

I don't know but for Lauda is still a person that catches a lot of spammers and did helped the forum on many ways, with continuously searching spammers/scammers and whatsoever then of-course you will be a hated person by a lot of members as well and many will try to stop that person and....
So I think he/she earned a lot of credit by helping out, I do remember having a question and being answered prompt (don't remember the matter instantly, but it was fast) Then again if the red-feedback was only on that merit post that was saying something over highly respected members then I would say thats over the line.... Imo I would say its fair to remove the red and maybe make a neutral in which you say something but red-feedback isn't at its place (for me).

You sound like an abused house wife telling us how much her man has changed for the better as she holds an ice pack to her eye.

I don’t know how to say this sir and I would pick my words carefully but there just are no other words like you are a d*ck that behaves himself under very much circumstances as a total d*ck!

I wouldn’t distrust you for a trade or whatsoever but I do dislike your approach to many other members.....

With words I know I doesn’t have to cross swords with you cause that a losing situation for even when I would be right it’s still exhausting and would end in a loss probably though I just know on behavior toward another member, other persons I will outclass you any day.

you don't have to be derogatory to everyone at any time.... you are a Legendary old timer, behave as one.... It will lead you to better places.

Even Lauda didn’t agree with me telling you had a point, though he didn’t disrespect my sayings as you always do for who know which reasons.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on December 30, 2019, 04:24:51 AM

I didn't say what is acceptable or not, I said "people need to know your double standard concerning what could be good or bad for a community. "

and I will post it!

It's your own theory claming it to be double standards or a trap. I have tried to generalized the topic as much as I can, and even clearly mentioned I need opinions.

You can post anything you like, but your views on the issue would reflect your nature. I would rather claim this as your double standards concerning without even reading the OP properly.

Quote from: El duderino_ on December 30, 2019, 06:53:23 AM

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Indeed, the main thing I don't understand on whole of the forum is why people curse this much ... like truly everyone, IRL the more one yells, or say bad things, the more they are wrong, in here everyone does Roll Eyes

So thats hard as well to find some truth in it, though on forum stuff I slightly follow some members as I always read good and well reasoned stuff from the.

I see you finding truth in this type ratings being bogus, but rolling the ditrusting part in slippy words.

Better said here.

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 30, 2019, 01:32:09 PM

You sound like an abused house wife telling us how much her man has changed for the better as she holds an ice pack to her eye.

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Quote from: El duderino_ on December 30, 2019, 06:35:42 AM

I don't know but for Lauda is still a person that catches a lot of spammers and did helped the forum on many ways, with continuously searching spammers/scammers and whatsoever then of-course you will be a hated person by a lot of members as well and many will try to stop that person and....
So I think he/she earned a lot of credit by helping out, I do remember having a question and being answered prompt (don't remember the matter instantly, but it was fast) Then again if the red-feedback was only on that merit post that was saying something over highly respected members then I would say thats over the line.... Imo I would say its fair to remove the red and maybe make a neutral in which you say something but red-feedback isn't at its place (for me).

You sound like an abused house wife telling us how much her man has changed for the better as she holds an ice pack to her eye.

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Indeed, the main thing I don't understand on whole of the forum is why people curse this much ... like truly everyone, IRL the more one yells, or say bad things, the more they are wrong, in here everyone does Roll Eyes

So thats hard as well to find some truth in it, though on forum stuff I slightly follow some members as I always read good and well reasoned stuff from the.

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Quote from: El duderino_ on December 30, 2019, 06:35:42 AM

I don't know but for Lauda is still a person that catches a lot of spammers and did helped the forum on many ways, with continuously searching spammers/scammers and whatsoever then of-course you will be a hated person by a lot of members as well and many will try to stop that person and....
So I think he/she earned a lot of credit by helping out, I do remember having a question and being answered prompt (don't remember the matter instantly, but it was fast) Then again if the red-feedback was only on that merit post that was saying something over highly respected members then I would say thats over the line.... Imo I would say its fair to remove the red and maybe make a neutral in which you say something but red-feedback isn't at its place (for me).

While your opinion appears valid to others, your recommendations are clearly not welcome:

Quote from: Lauda on December 29, 2019, 10:57:14 AM

Just ~Lauda and fuck off if you don't agree with it. There's literally no reason to discuss anything and it's a waste of everyone's time.

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I don't know but for Lauda is still a person that catches a lot of spammers and did helped the forum on many ways, with continuously searching spammers/scammers and whatsoever then of-course you will be a hated person by a lot of members as well and many will try to stop that person and....
So I think he/she earned a lot of credit by helping out, I do remember having a question and being answered prompt (don't remember the matter instantly, but it was fast) Then again if the red-feedback was only on that merit post that was saying something over highly respected members then I would say thats over the line.... Imo I would say its fair to remove the red and maybe make a neutral in which you say something but red-feedback isn't at its place (for me).

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Quote from: LeGaulois on December 30, 2019, 04:24:51 AM

@hacker1001101001

I usually stay away from the dramas in the forum but I see you created a trap to create the mess between members and they failed in it. You're trying to get as many people on your side as you can to defend yourself.

I didn't know this topic before, but after reading it I find amusing, knowing what I know. I believe people need to know your double standard concerning what could be good or bad for a community.

So you are really arguing that it is an acceptable use of the trust system to negative rate people for giving merits to opinions they don't agree with? You aren't making any sense.

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@hacker1001101001

I usually stay away from the dramas in the forum but I see you created a trap to create the mess between members and they failed in it. You're trying to get as many people on your side as you can to defend yourself. This text is pathetic because it's done to provoke the hate between members.

I didn't know this topic before, but after reading it I find amusing, knowing what I know. I believe people need to know your double standard concerning what could be good or bad for a community.

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@TECSHARE

I didn't say what is acceptable or not, I said "people need to know your double standard concerning what could be good or bad for a community. "

and I will post it!

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I see this topic getting hotter to be discussed between Lauda vs hacker1001101001.

What i see.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1021758

Honestly I am not on the side of Lauda and hacker1001101001, the solution, middle, very touching someone's heart.

It would be nice if Lauda considered what @LoyceV said,
If Lauda doesn't believe what @LoyceV says, it means that no one else reconciles Lauda with hacker1001101001.

Quote from: LoyceV on October 10, 2019, 11:37:17 AM

Be the bigger man!
With great power comes great responsibility (source unknown). Especially when you're on DefaultTrust (or if you want to be on DefaultTrust in the future), you shouldn't (ab)use that power by leaving (negative) feedback when someone does something you don't like. Your Sent feedback is what others use to judge your judgement.
If someone on the internet is mean to you: boo fucking hoo! Use the Ignore button, and forget about them.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/loycevs-beginners-guide-to-correct-use-of-the-trust-system-5191802

Quote from: Frengki_cisco on December 30, 2019, 12:20:59 AM

If I were in a DT position, of course, considering some of the things I had to plant in my soul.
Red trust, preferably for those who really make mistakes and threaten the community especially the Forum and others.
Red trust is not, in a state of revenge, hate, it is definitely based on the file to the evidence in the trial.
A deer dies in the forest all of a sudden, not necessarily the tiger that killed it, it could have starved to death or got caught in a trap.

Basically people have a definite reason, what they do, surely, very professional if they do something with the existing procedure.

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What a surprise, another ~Lauda thread.

Quote from: hacker1001101001 on December 29, 2019, 06:15:23 AM

Today I got a navigate trust rating for sending merits to a post I found informative...yes read again sending merits, and it was by someone who has lots of inclusions from well-known members here.
Mine is not the only example, many users are just buried under this type of trust abuse.

Unlucky for you, I only really post in Speculation that doesn't show trust, so I couldn't give a fuck.

Quote from: yogg on December 29, 2019, 06:29:45 AM

Lauda is the only one that is able to do something about the negative feedback you have received.

Not true. DT1 could stop trusting this member for starters, so that ~Lauda is no longer a flag-abusing DT2 member Roll Eyes

Quote from: Lauda on December 29, 2019, 10:57:14 AM

Just ~Lauda and fuck off if you don't agree with it.

More people (like you) should take Lauda's advise way more often, this isn't the first recommendation:

Quote from: El duderino_ on December 29, 2019, 11:24:24 AM

I have to say, leaving negative feedback for sending a single merit for something a person likes is a bit much not? Lauda?
Like it involved some very good members and stuff.... I also wouldn't appreciate some negative trust for just a difference in opinion ...

Quote from: Lauda on December 29, 2019, 10:57:14 AM

Just ~Lauda and fuck off if you don't agree with it.

Lauda's one liners are best, period.

Quote from: dragonvslinux on October 21, 2019, 02:09:02 PM

(crushed)

Quote from: Lauda

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I totally understand why we have more guidelines than rules here ... and the concept is great, but some times the definitions of good/bad, correct/WTF , logic/"in my opinion" is way too subjective.

In my own personal opinion trust ratings should be for actions, not words.

I would add one more column to the rank requirements.

Rank	Required activity	Required merit	Extra requirements
Brand new	0	0	none
Newbie	1	0	none
Jr Member	30	1	none
Member	60	10	none
Full Member	120	100	Custom trust list min 10 users^[1]
Sr. Member	240	250	Custom trust list min 25 users^[1]
Hero Member	480	500	Custom trust list min 40 users^[1]
Legendary	Random in the range 775-1030	1000	Custom trust list min 75 users^[1]

[1] - Total number of users added to your custom trust list including ~ and non~ users (numbers are subject to change). Also defaultTrust is automatically ~ed and cannot be changed

Searched and could not find in the first few tried something similar so there. Might be a step in the right direction IMHO.

I doubt the DT concept was thought as a long term solution even from the beginning

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Quote from: eddie13 on December 29, 2019, 05:32:24 PM

I still have faith in the community to do the right thing in setting and applying good standards..

The more and more such cases pile up the harder and harder it will be for them to pretend to ignore it and still feel good about themselves in their actions..
Also, the more people that stand up to it the less intimidated the rest will be..

Exactly. I realize many people find my incessant and perpetual need to beat my skull against these types of people quite agitating, many seeing it as pointless and disruptive, but I do it for a good reason. The reason is to set an example and show other people they don't have to just put up with it. There are more people that oppose this type of behavior than support it, just most of them aren't willing to be the first ones to speak up about it. You too can prevent forest fires. A single droplet is meaningless, one drop dripping over and over again is torture, but enough of them together is a flood.

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I still have faith in the community to do the right thing in setting and applying good standards..

The more and more such cases pile up the harder and harder it will be for them to pretend to ignore it and still feel good about themselves in their actions..
Also, the more people that stand up to it the less intimidated the rest will be..

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Quote from: Quickseller on December 29, 2019, 05:30:06 PM

Even without making subjective, case by case judgements, if you control what the algorithm is, you control the outcome. If you control the inputs of the algorithm (such as by controlling who the merit sources are), you have even greater control over the outcome. Making the algorithm public reduces control somewhat but it makes it somewhat subject to manipulation.

I agree that merit, and therefore voting power, are poorly distributed.. Especially at first but it is improving I think..

Another factor is that those who were at odds with and rejecting the old trust system at the time, creating their own trust lists before the new trust system happened, got a huge jump start into DT, and a huge jump start into acquiring merits for voting power..

I think mostly the "scambuster" crowd, who have/had loyalty to Lauda, and I find tend to be more authoritarian and power-seeking in nature, those gunning to become DT and to create their reputations, who got the head start..
It has and will take time for us libertarian minded folk to balance that out, but will happen..

But it has sense been slowly balancing and the initial head start is loosing its advantage.. Very slowly.. Maybe another year..

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