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November 09, 2019, 07:10:20 AM
Apologies, I'll concede the point. It doesn't mean year to year, it does indeed mean longer term patterns.

The point about warming stands though. GW doesn't mean hotter everywhere all the time. It means more extreme weather, due in large part to the fact that hotter air holds more water. Warmer on average over time, but also more extreme.

That's pretty much what your much ballyhooed charts have. Three data points.
You're being disingenuous. I know you're smart enough not to believe that evidence for GW is simply three dots on one chart.
legendary
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November 07, 2019, 09:25:06 AM
Well, hey! All you GW jokers don't have to sit around with your thumbs blah, blah, blah. Show us the hot weather forecasts.


Several Blasts Of Arctic Air Will Bring Early Winter To Northeast


Global warming means on average. It absolutely doesn't mean that every part of the globe will be hotter at every moment in the year.
In fact global warming leads to greater temperature volatility. Yes, long droughts and fires, but also stronger hurricanes and heavier rainfall.
You go out on a summer's day, and it can be very humid. Go out on a winter's day, and it is never humid. Hot air contains more water. Hot air has more energy. Global warming doesn't mean hotter everywhere all the time, it means hotter on average, globally, year to year. GW is weather on steroids.

No, that isn't even close to a definition of global warming.

Climate is pretty much defined as successive ten year averages in climate. So for the period 1985, 1995, 2005, 2015 one would have a single data point for 1990, 2000, and 2010.

That's pretty much what your much ballyhooed charts have. Three data points. And no, GW does not imply <<
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November 07, 2019, 02:08:00 AM
I wonder how other people can stay blind and say it's not happening.

Me too. I think it's largely due to the right-wing politicans protecting vested interests in areas like oil, and people then accepting what they're told by these politicans.
Of course the deniers can say that we are just doing the same thing by believing in what climate scientists say.

What's the difference between the two positions? The mountains and mountains of evidence proving man-made climate change.
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November 07, 2019, 01:54:03 AM
Well, hey! All you GW jokers don't have to sit around with your thumbs blah, blah, blah. Show us the hot weather forecasts.


Several Blasts Of Arctic Air Will Bring Early Winter To Northeast


Global warming means on average. It absolutely doesn't mean that every part of the globe will be hotter at every moment in the year.
In fact global warming leads to greater temperature volatility. Yes, long droughts and fires, but also stronger hurricanes and heavier rainfall.
You go out on a summer's day, and it can be very humid. Go out on a winter's day, and it is never humid. Hot air contains more water. Hot air has more energy. Global warming doesn't mean hotter everywhere all the time, it means hotter on average, globally, year to year. GW is weather on steroids.


And it's evident nowadays and we can certainly feel it's effects. I wonder how other people can stay blind and say it's not happening.  In a span of a decade, we've managed to help accelerate the effects of Global Warming. We're becoming a bigger threat to ourselves and other species and the future generations would likely be the one to reap everything we're sowing today.
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November 07, 2019, 01:34:55 AM
Well, hey! All you GW jokers don't have to sit around with your thumbs blah, blah, blah. Show us the hot weather forecasts.


Several Blasts Of Arctic Air Will Bring Early Winter To Northeast


Global warming means on average. It absolutely doesn't mean that every part of the globe will be hotter at every moment in the year.
In fact global warming leads to greater temperature volatility. Yes, long droughts and fires, but also stronger hurricanes and heavier rainfall.
You go out on a summer's day, and it can be very humid. Go out on a winter's day, and it is never humid. Hot air contains more water. Hot air has more energy. Global warming doesn't mean hotter everywhere all the time, it means hotter on average, globally, year to year. GW is weather on steroids.
legendary
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November 06, 2019, 10:00:35 PM
This is the first time I’ve heard about theory that global warming is a myth. When did it appear?  What are its main arguments? All the proofs I found were like “Greenland in IX century was covered with grass”.

This simply shows you how the big money interests control the media so that they can covertly lead you into their one-world government.

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Do you really believe in the existence of a one-world government?

I believe that there are those who are attempting to form a formal one-world government. How deep it exists in all governments is unknown, formally.

Cool
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November 06, 2019, 09:07:59 PM
This is the first time I’ve heard about theory that global warming is a myth. When did it appear?  What are its main arguments? All the proofs I found were like “Greenland in IX century was covered with grass”.

This simply shows you how the big money interests control the media so that they can covertly lead you into their one-world government.

Cool
Do you really believe in the existence of a one-world government?
legendary
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November 06, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
We've posted links to a document saying that man-made climate change is real, that is full of evidence and citations, and that has been signed by 11,000 scientists.
No-one can seriously suggest that these 11,000 people are all in on some massive conspiracy. Or that every expert in the world is deluded.
Come on. Is it more likely that 11,000 experts are wrong, or that you are wrong?

It absolutely is a conspiracy. But it's probably a conspiracy to remain stupid or ignorant.  ...


It's a conspiricy to remain employed.  You don't tow the party line on 'global climate change' in academia or 'vaccines are great' in medicine and your ass doesn't work.

Many scientists do come out and talk about what a fraud it is, but almost always after they retire.


^^ Thank you.     Cool
legendary
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November 06, 2019, 07:38:38 PM
We've posted links to a document saying that man-made climate change is real, that is full of evidence and citations, and that has been signed by 11,000 scientists.
No-one can seriously suggest that these 11,000 people are all in on some massive conspiracy. Or that every expert in the world is deluded.
Come on. Is it more likely that 11,000 experts are wrong, or that you are wrong?

It absolutely is a conspiracy. But it's probably a conspiracy to remain stupid or ignorant.  ...


It's a conspiricy to remain employed.  You don't tow the party line on 'global climate change' in academia or 'vaccines are great' in medicine and your ass doesn't work.

Many scientists do come out and talk about what a fraud it is, but almost always after they retire.

legendary
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November 06, 2019, 07:33:55 PM
We've posted links to a document saying that man-made climate change is real, that is full of evidence and citations, and that has been signed by 11,000 scientists.
No-one can seriously suggest that these 11,000 people are all in on some massive conspiracy. Or that every expert in the world is deluded.
Come on. Is it more likely that 11,000 experts are wrong, or that you are wrong?

It absolutely is a conspiracy. But it's probably a conspiracy to remain stupid or ignorant. How do we know? It's commonly understood that CO2 in the atmosphere is approximately 0.03% or 0.04%. Reduce it to 0.01%, and half of the plant life will die off. Why? Because CO2 is what plants eat for food. Then the already starving population will die off for lack of food. The thing that you can't be sure of is that you won't be part of the population that starves to death.

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legendary
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November 06, 2019, 05:49:58 PM
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True climatology is a really complex science ....

There's no reason to continue your comment past that one statement.

It make well be "complex" to those that get degrees in it, but they have less intellectual ability than people that get degrees in astrophysics or straight physics.

Please don't confuse confusion of the mind in the confused with anything other than what it is.
legendary
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November 06, 2019, 02:22:03 PM
^^^ Look at the post above yours. The 11,000 thing is completely misrepresented.

Cool
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November 06, 2019, 02:05:06 PM
We've posted links to a document saying that man-made climate change is real, that is full of evidence and citations, and that has been signed by 11,000 scientists.
No-one can seriously suggest that these 11,000 people are all in on some massive conspiracy. Or that every expert in the world is deluded.
Come on. Is it more likely that 11,000 experts are wrong, or that you are wrong?
legendary
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November 06, 2019, 01:31:24 PM
Well, hey! All you GW jokers don't have to sit around with your thumbs blah, blah, blah. Show us the hot weather forecasts.


Several Blasts Of Arctic Air Will Bring Early Winter To Northeast



Several days ago, Ed Vallee, head meteorologist at Empire Weather LLC, stated that an Arctic blast of cold air would roll into the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions later in the week, with the chance of producing one of the first snowmaking weather events of the year.

As of Wednesday morning, there's more evidence that Vallee's forecast has been spot on. Tens of millions across the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions will get an early shot of winter over the next several days.

The first round of Arctic air will make its way from the north-central U.S. into the Great Lakes and Northeast Wednesday through Saturday. The cold weather could produce the first significant snowstorm of the year for parts of the interior, including places like northern New England, where at least 6 inches of snow is expected Thursday into Friday.

Another blast of Arctic air will arrive across the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions early next week.


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November 06, 2019, 01:00:35 PM
oh come on global warming is 100% real,
the major factors causing the current climate change are greenhouse gases, land use changes, and aerosols and soot
legendary
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November 06, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
If anyone here is interested in Science, theres a big development today.
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806?searchresult=1

Thanks, I've already posted this in the 'hoax is a hoax' thread, and I came here to fight for reason in this thread, too. Glad to see someone else is bombarding people with facts and evidence.

Scientists who are Christians constantly warn people of the impending doom if they don't turn to God for Jesus-salvation help. Jesus will return shortly. But even if it is 10,000 years before He returns, for you it will seem like at your death. One moment you are alive and even kicking. The next you are being called out of the grave by Jesus in the resurrection, possibly faster than you have even realized that you died.

I don't think religion comes into it, just facts. Have a look at the link. 29 charts there for starters, plus references to supplementary evidence.

A chart maker can sit around all day and make many charts of all different kinds. Get a hundred chart makers together for a year, and thousands of charts can be made. Regarding GW, charts have been made that show increase and others that show decrease. Believing one way or the other, especially for a layman or non-professional who hasn't examined both sides, is more of a religion thing than it is a science thing, until we have proof of what is really going on.

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November 06, 2019, 10:16:54 AM
.... 29 charts there for starters, plus references to supplementary evidence.

There is nothing wrong with these charts, although most people are unable to understand them or relate them to the larger picture of climate. And in many cases, they cannot be related. They are just presented in a sort of format like "Oh, and what about THIS? And THIS? And how about THAT?"

That is not scientific analysis. It does not separate cause or effect.

A much superior measure is the upper stratospheric temperature as measured by satellite.

True climatology is a really complex science and making a link between causes of the climate change and climate change itself. What thoses charts are telling is there is a real climate change. Scientist know some of the causes but not all of them. The fact is the actual climate change is to quick to avoid making a link between humans and climate change. Other climate evolution in the past took thousands of year while today the evolution is really fast. 
legendary
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November 06, 2019, 09:42:38 AM
.... 29 charts there for starters, plus references to supplementary evidence.

There is nothing wrong with these charts, although most people are unable to understand them or relate them to the larger picture of climate. And in many cases, they cannot be related. They are just presented in a sort of format like "Oh, and what about THIS? And THIS? And how about THAT?"

That is not scientific analysis. It does not separate cause or effect.

A much superior measure is the upper stratospheric temperature as measured by satellite.
legendary
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November 06, 2019, 08:41:29 AM
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As the Alliance of World Scientists, we stand ready to assist decision-makers in a just transition to a sustainable and equitable future. We urge widespread use of vital signs, which will better allow policymakers, the private sector, and the public to understand the magnitude of this crisis, track progress, and realign priorities for alleviating climate change. The good news is that such transformative change, with social and economic justice for all

Only necessary to read up to that point to see what that's really all about...

"Science" is not "social and economic justice for all."

"Science" is not "transformative change."



sr. member
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November 06, 2019, 01:32:07 AM
If anyone here is interested in Science, theres a big development today.
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806?searchresult=1

Thanks, I've already posted this in the 'hoax is a hoax' thread, and I came here to fight for reason in this thread, too. Glad to see someone else is bombarding people with facts and evidence.

Scientists who are Christians constantly warn people of the impending doom if they don't turn to God for Jesus-salvation help. Jesus will return shortly. But even if it is 10,000 years before He returns, for you it will seem like at your death. One moment you are alive and even kicking. The next you are being called out of the grave by Jesus in the resurrection, possibly faster than you have even realized that you died.

I don't think religion comes into it, just facts. Have a look at the link. 29 charts there for starters, plus references to supplementary evidence.
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