Topic: Is ISIS Proof that Islam has Failed at Peace? (Read 4654 times)

The sin of ISIS is something that happens in war. Besides, ISIS recognizes that peaceful Muslims are not Muslims except for just a little bit. So, they are trying to either spur other Muslims on towards being strong Muslims, or else they are trying to eliminate them so only the strong remain.

The golden years of Islam didn't happen because Muslims of that time were following Islam. Rather, Muslims of that time were being rewarded by the Christian God for bravery in NOT following the dictates of the Islamic holy writings, even in the face of death from their comrades.

If only those Muslims had studied the Bible and become Christian - as opposed to Roman Catholic subjects. Muslim worlds would have become the ruling/leading class of the whole free world.

well Jews run the world, by proxy that is, they have strong lobbies in every major country, they influence the financial and political world and they influence the international politics especially toward Israel, but I guess good for them, it proves how smart they are.

ISIS is not even representing the 6th century Islam, they have their own version of it, Islam stats clearly to not kill women and children even if times of wars, to not kill prisoners, to not steal or destroy what's god created ..... they are doing every capital sin possible in Islam, yet they claim to represent it...

Wrong, even from a past perspective, check out Islam golden era (9-16 century) for example.

Islam, according to the holy writings, is peace for Muslims; peace for people that Muslims are trying to convert to Islam; violence for people who obstinately will not convert to Islam; violence for people who attack Muslims; violence for Muslims who convert to some other religion.

Most Muslims don't have enough of the required violence that is directed in the holy books. ISIS may have too much violence, and may not be giving non-Muslim people a long enough time to convert to Islam.

When you get right down to what the Islamic holy books say, it is difficult to figure out if ISIS is successful or not. However, the more peaceful the Muslim is towards non-Muslims, the less successful of a Muslim he is as well.

The Americans can produce a recyclable space rocket now while the ISIS are killing innocent people, raping women. So how could you not say that ISIS has failed the Islam?

Regarding KKK and why that minor, secret organization is founded mate, i suggest you study bit more or at least google about American civil war when again, evil white dudes defeated confederacy and give freedom to slaves (try to avoid retarded conspiracy theories, claims of terrorist organizations and take some history book for change). I know that evil, lying desert demon have negative effect on you so it will be hard, but try at least. It is irrelevant what KKK claims, hope you realize that. ISIS claim they are only true Muslims for example no?

yes, as soon as they they do something other muslims arent proud of, they arent muslims again
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What many of you seem to be not understanding is that just because someone (or a group) identifies as a Muslim it doesn't mean that their actions represent Islam

ISIS' version of "Islam" is just an excuse to justify their own agenda and get more people on their side. They do so much that goes against the Quran that it would be straight up stupid to think of them as representers of it.

Minor note (and I'm not advocating religion or conversion) yes you can become a Jew (and then Help Run the World) or find out that actually they don't run the world but only a few hot dog stands.

If you think deep about religions any of the books offer peace though. They all want you to turn people from other religions to their own religion. Christianity do the same, only Jews do different, you can't become jew but they still run the world. ISIS is the live proof of 6th century Islam in 21st century. How they do it is the same as in history. You can't blame for them, they just apply what's written in the book.

How about the other 82 organizations on UAE's list of Islamic terror groups?  Do they also have no relationship with Islam?  I guess that UAE thinks they do, since they call them "Islamic terror organisations."

Abu Dhabi (AFP) - The United Arab Emirates, which belongs to a US-led coalition fighting jihadists, on Saturday issued a list of 83 Islamist groups which it classified as "terrorist organisations".

The list, approved by the cabinet and published on the official WAM news agency, is similar to an announcement made by Riyadh in March.

It blacklists Al-Qaeda and the Islamic State (IS), as well as the Muslim Brotherhood and Yemen's Shiite Huthi militia.

For me ISIS is just proof how some people use religion for their own interest or agenda, to mobilize young and naive Muslims to fight against their Christian brothers and friends, against their families and countries etc.
ISIS is evil but have no relationship with Islam.

I dont think so that ISLAM itself responsible for terror, or failed to spread the peace. If some people make a group and start fight against the world, then they clearly deny the actual techings of Islam. Islam never preach to kill ANY one due to ANY reason. There are some reasons behind such extreamist groups like Afghan War. Everyonw knows so many millitants join Taliban in the reaction of Afghan war. Same in Iraq, the instability is still exist both countries. So these are the reasons which is somehow true. But still i said EVERY person who killed any other on the name of Islam, not on the right way.

See? Even Spendy agrees that ISIS is proof that Islam has succeeded^^^, just not at peace.

Or below.

www.thereligionofpeace.com

The truth lies above.

It is exactly the same logic and if you fail to see it you are just in denial, but lets see, you say that western countries stood against Nazi germany, but then again the western world was split in two camps, and they fought because they were treatned to be taken over, if Nazi germany was expanding to those countries you think anyone would care to what cruel and violent things Nazi germany was doing (not like our countries weren't doing similar massacres in their colonies at the same periode but that's another point) , I still didn't answer your argument yet to show how your logic has a flaw and here is your answer, who do you think is fighting and suffering the most from ISIS, you ? your country? obviously not, it is muslims in the region, ISIS killed over 200k muslims according to the most conservative statistics and the numbers are raising exponentially.

Also you claim that the KKK was never running in the USA or represent the white American, which totally wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan they them self claims to represent white people supremacy in the US as does ISIS claims to represent the supremacy of Islam in the middle east, but the FACT is ISIS which is at most 100K barbarian (and most are mercenaries that are recruited by money and doesn't even read arabic or the Koran) compared to 1.5 to 2Billion muslims? that's about 0.05% total, how can such number represent the majority ?

As for your claim that Mohammed is violent or whatever please read and understand the Koran before spouting nonsense, your information comes from websites and TV where they quote a part and disregard 99% of the book which is stupid and far from being intellectually correct

The only reason you think this way is because you don't know what Islam and ISIS are. If you knew, you would pity the Muslims. The Islam clerics attempt to hide the truth from all people, because they have an easy life from stealing tax money from Muslims... money demanded by the religion.

You have a point.

Western culture does not exactly claim to be perfect, and does not claim to be peace.

However Islam claims to be perfect, and Islam claims to be peace.

Yet the production of cultures of peace, and cultures of violence, from the Judeo Christian beliefs and those of Islam, do seem to be reversed.

I dont see any logic there mate. Nazi Germany did not represent western culture, in fact most of western countries were part of allies who defeated nazis and KKK was never running USA or even represent most of white Americans. Islam on other hand, since that desert demon possessed that Muhammad guy is nothing but violence. Just look how civil right stand in most developed Islam countries today and imagine how it was in past centuries.