Topic: Is ISIS Proof that Islam has Failed at Peace? - page 2. (Read 4697 times)

By same logic, Nazi germany is a proof that western culture is VIOLENT
KKK is proof, that white american are racist and VIOLENT
.........

I can go on and on, but don't you see the flaw with this logic?

The simple answer is NO, because if statically speaking, violence existed, exist and will always do, in human societies no matter what, but there are factor that can increase violence obviously, I don't think it's related to Islam as per se but the chaotic situation in the middle east makes a whole region prone to violence.

The fact is in the islamic world you have many countries that are peacefull and proof of the "Islam is religion of peace" but at the same time you have the exact opposite in some areas where religion is used as a tool to achieve something as well as other ideologies.

^Ditto^

Yes! ISIS isn't proof that Islam has failed at peace. ISIS is proof that Islam is what it is, VIOLENT!

Islam is not peaceful at first place so ISIS is just proof on that. There is not even pace between different Islam fractions so we "infidels" cant expect any good from them. Wake up ppl, Islam is not about peace and prosperity and ISIS is just tip of iceberg.

isis or any islamic terrorists organisations dont represent true islam.. islamic precept teach us how to live in this world peacefully..

Currently, ISIS does not represent Islam. Rather, their own plan has been made attractive to them, and they have been averted from the way. And whoever Allah leaves astray - there will be for him no guide.

Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in their hearts.

Islam doesn't fail at peace. Peace is not really a part of Islam. Any religion that requires punishment for non-harm of others, is a religion of violence.

What is interesting is, in America, traffic laws and income taxes and many other things impose a penalty if they are not followed. The penalty is imposed even though nobody expresses that they have been harmed by not following these laws, and even though there is no evidence of harm. The American government has become a religion of punishment for no harm done, simply because government people have made some laws.


Violence without harm being done first is never justifiable. Certain punishment is justifiable if there is a teacher student relationship, and the student has agreed to the punishment when he fails. Violence without cause is wrong. A claim is merely a claim. A claim to a monopoly on salvation may be wrong, but it may also be non-violent.


Islam does not preach peace. Islam preaches no peace to people of other religions if they will not become Muslims. Islam may preach a semblance of peace between Muslims, but anywhere there is taxation rather than donation, peace is ultimately non-existent.


Everyone is responsible for his own idiocy. However, because points of law can be difficult to determine, the Islamic cleric who teaches Muslims incorrectly is doubly wrong.


Yes, absolutely. The fact that Islam exists is just such a happening.

Islam started as a method for its followers to get more than a lion's share of the goods of this life, by taking it from others. The infusion of ideals that appear peaceful into Islam was to help Islam gain a foothold on the minds of people who would normally be peaceful.


Anybody can call anything, anything that they want. Calling Islam peaceful doesn't make it so.



By rewriting the Islamic religious writings to eliminate the violence, or by writing some new, peaceful, religious writings, and then calling them "Islam."

So all a slippery tongued Imam needs to do to justify and promote violent Jihad is to convince everyone in his congregation they are the oppressed, the victims of Western infidels?  That they have been abused for a hundred years?  That the Entire West is their enemy?

Man, that sounds awfully easy to do. 

Sounds like .... Jihad is permitted in Islam.....

Islam is a very peaceful religion, but when some one wants to hurt them for any reason kills them because of religion issues then they have rights too to take revenge. ISIS is a terrorist group killing anyone, even Muslims too just to show their fear and take money from foreign countries.

Islam does not preach peace but submission. This submission is to god (allah).  Muslims pray to allah and ask for forgiveness. They kneel for the same reason.

Islam means the religion of peace. A person following Islam will find that he or she is surrounded by noble teachings, the aim of which is to establish peace between man and Allah, the Creator of all; between man and man; and between man and the rest of Allah’s creation.

How does such a religion deal with the issue of terrorism? And what does the word terrorist mean? Dictionaries will define a terrorist as one who systematically uses violence and intimidation to achieve political ends – or one who controls or forces others to do something by violence, fear or threats.

But Islam does not content itself with these injunctions strongly forbidding Muslims from ever becoming terrorists. It also makes sure that the believers are made into highly moral, excellently behaved people, by inculcating those lofty human values that can turn them into people who sincerely love humankind without distinction of religion, race or social status. Islam no doubt encourages the logical and rational discussion of views with people of all creeds in a calm and dispassionate way, with the only aim that truth prevail over error and falsehood. But it also reminds us that it is error and falsehood as such that are to be hated and detested. The people who unfortunately hold on to error are never to be hated. That is why the motto of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is ‘Love for all, hatred for none.’

Far from inciting hatred and aggressiveness in its followers, Islam keeps on enjoining kindness and sympathy for all. The Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said: ‘Charity is incumbent upon every human limb every day on which the sun rises. To bring about reconciliation between two contestants is charity. Helping a person mount his animal or to load his baggage on to it is charity. A good word is charity. Every step taken toward the mosque for prayer is charity. To remove anything from the street that causes inconvenience is charity.’

However, Muslims have been warned by the Holy Founder of Islam, Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, that when they enter the territory of those who have been terrorizing and harshly persecuting them, they should not lose all sense of perspective and justice, and be tempted to start acting savagely, like the terrorists themselves. The worst crime of ungratefulness would be that committed by a people who, having forgotten that they had just been subjected to terrible cruelties, start meting out the same, if not worse, cruelties to others. The Prophet ordered:

‘You will meet those who remember Almighty Allah in their houses of worship. Have no dispute with them, and give no trouble to them. In the enemy country, do not kill any women or children, or the blind, or the old. Do not pull down any tree; nor pull down any building.’ (Quoted from Halbiyyah, Vol.3).

So the only Jihad permitted in Islam is the war of the oppressed against the oppressor, the war waged to protect the peace of all people irrespective of their religion or creed. Tactics used today such as suicide bombing, etc. are absolutely out of the question for true followers of Islam. Allah Almighty says:

It is our belief that not only Islam, but no true religion, whatever its name, can sanction violence and bloodshed of innocent men, women and children in the name of Allah Almighty. Terrorists may use religious or political labels, but no one should be deceived by their wily ways and treacherous guiles. They have nothing to do with religion. They are the enemies of peace. They must be combated at every level as advocated by Islam, the religion of peace.

Again, religious wars are done by people. People often say that they belong to a certain religion without understanding what that religion says or expects them to do. Christian religious wars were not done according to Christianity. There is no directive in the New Testament from whence Christianity flows, to make religious war. The closest thing that there might be is to love family and friends. And one might do this by forcefully fighting off attackers at times. But the directive to do this does not exist.

Islam has directives to do it (fight). ISIS members continually repeat the words of Islam that express such. From http://bigthink.com/praxis/how-islamic-is-isis:
ISIS has just as much right to interpret the Islamic texts according to what those texts say, as anyone else.

In the same website, Obama is quoted as saying that ISIS is not Islamic. Obama wants to get America to accept Islam with open arms, even though Islam has a fundamental "streak" of solid violence against all who oppose Islam. This includes Christianity and the American government.

Why would Obama want to oppose the American government? Because it is the form of that government that is keeping him or any other president from becoming and being dictator.

In America, every individual adult person is a king, by basic Constitutional law and mandate, based on common law of the people. It is evident from the Bill of Rights articles listed as the 6th, 7th, and 9th Amendments. These are the things that destroy governmental dictatorship in America.

Although government looks like it has made great inroads into taking away sovereignty from Americans, it is only by the ignorance about their government foisted on the people by the public schools that gives the American government the limited power that they have. If the people woke up, the government would have little power over them. But the people need to wake up and stand as real men and women to be in that kind of strength.

I think its not really easy to relate peace to a religion. All of them had kinda religious wars etc. and ISIS cannot be related to Islam, because they are just a terrorist group which is against repetition of Islam.

I don't agree with your religion of the things you are saying here. Therefore you are correct. Religion causes division, and I just proved it by, in MY religion and religiousness, not agreeing with what you said.

The point is, what is the truth? We know by science and nature that God exists. So, God is not religion. Religion is the things that we understand about God and the universe, things that are difficult if not impossible to prove, and maybe to even find evidence for.

However, like it or not, the evidence of the various religions, when delved into deeply, show that the Judeo-Christian religion is far and away the most logical choice because of what it is in its entirety.

Religion is not peaceful. Religion says that we are divided and that, because God is a super being, you are absolutely wrong to believe otherwise. It does not matter what God your talking about.

Since the Peaceful Muslims don't point guns and force correct behavior at the Violent Muslims, Peaceful Muslims are totally, ridiculously irrelevant.

Islam never been and never will be a peaceful religion. It was optimized for conquering and spreading by the sword since its birth. The only peaceful muslims are the muslims in minority, when they do not have the power to force their religion and customs on others. As soon as they became to the majority or a sufficiently big, coherent group in an atomized and weakened community (like most European nations today) they are going to show their real intentions.

There you go again, trying to call true Islamites the bad guys.

The Prophet was talking about people of other religions who would fight Islam. And he was talking about Islamites who would break the faith in groups.

ISIS isn't breaking the faith. ISIS is upholding the faith in every way.

If you want to be peaceful in Islam, are you supposed to fight Islamites who are upholding the faith? No! If you do that, you are becoming violent, the exact thing you are talking against doing. Yet, as you admitted, "they will come and they should be killed." So you, yourself, are talking about doing the violence you are condemning ISIS of doing.

Wake up and see that Islam is a religion of violence, and even you are caught up in its stupidity.

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Everyone who wants to live for any length of time needs to be peaceful at times, and with their own people. Constant violence doesn't work for anybody, individual or group. This means that violent people have to be peaceful at times simply to live.

However, if there is peace, it can work without violence at all... if the people will simply be peaceful.

Islam has both, peace and violence. It can work only if it has peace at some time. But because it has violence, it is a religion and government of violence. Wake up.

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Cut the crap if you don 't know anything about Islam dude .
our Prophet spoke about "Khawaraj" and gave decription about them and that they will come and they should be killed . and those descriptions matchs ISIS so ISIS have nothing to do with Islam even if they think they do .