Is Israel's current existence ironic?

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Quote from: LostWords on May 04, 2017, 11:59:23 AM

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It's all the great Britain's fault, they were the ones told Jews to go back to Israel otherwise they were living and were happy spread out in the world.

More than 1 million Jews were living in various Islamic nations such as Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, and Morocco until the 1950s. These Jews were expelled by the Muslims, and the Jewish property was seized. Perhaps this is also the fault of Britain?

Honestly say that there is no country in the world where Jews are not persecuted. This is not so pronounced as in Muslim countries, but the latent antisemitism is everywhere. You want to say that this is not Russia?

"Are not" is present tense. There isn't currently persecution of Jews in America or Canada or Australia.

"Persecution" is a big word.

Has there ever been?

Yes, I guess depending on the word "persecution." For example, snotty upper class clubs in the 19th century and to a lesser extent the 20th century might have refused Jews was asked for membership.

But "Persecution" implies an active going after to do harm, where my above example is just a Jew applying to the local golf club, being refused. Active "persecution," much much less.

May be of interest -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_United_States

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Quote from: Spendulus on May 04, 2017, 10:54:36 AM

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It's all the great Britain's fault, they were the ones told Jews to go back to Israel otherwise they were living and were happy spread out in the world.

More than 1 million Jews were living in various Islamic nations such as Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, and Morocco until the 1950s. These Jews were expelled by the Muslims, and the Jewish property was seized. Perhaps this is also the fault of Britain?

Honestly say that there is no country in the world where Jews are not persecuted. This is not so pronounced as in Muslim countries, but the latent antisemitism is everywhere. You want to say that this is not Russia?

"Are not" is present tense. There isn't currently persecution of Jews in America or Canada or Australia.

"Persecution" is a big word.

Has there ever been?

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Quote from: Alexzap on May 04, 2017, 10:06:40 AM

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It's all the great Britain's fault, they were the ones told Jews to go back to Israel otherwise they were living and were happy spread out in the world.

More than 1 million Jews were living in various Islamic nations such as Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, and Morocco until the 1950s. These Jews were expelled by the Muslims, and the Jewish property was seized. Perhaps this is also the fault of Britain?

Honestly say that there is no country in the world where Jews are not persecuted. This is not so pronounced as in Muslim countries, but the latent antisemitism is everywhere. You want to say that this is not Russia?

"Are not" is present tense. There isn't currently persecution of Jews in America or Canada or Australia.

"Persecution" is a big word.

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It's all the great Britain's fault, they were the ones told Jews to go back to Israel otherwise they were living and were happy spread out in the world.

More than 1 million Jews were living in various Islamic nations such as Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, and Morocco until the 1950s. These Jews were expelled by the Muslims, and the Jewish property was seized. Perhaps this is also the fault of Britain?

Honestly say that there is no country in the world where Jews are not persecuted. This is not so pronounced as in Muslim countries, but the latent antisemitism is everywhere. You want to say that this is not Russia?

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Quote from: freebutcaged on May 03, 2017, 06:31:28 PM

It's all the great Britain's fault, they were the ones told Jews to go back to Israel otherwise they were living and were happy spread out in the world.

More than 1 million Jews were living in various Islamic nations such as Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, and Morocco until the 1950s. These Jews were expelled by the Muslims, and the Jewish property was seized. Perhaps this is also the fault of Britain?

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Quote from: freebutcaged on May 03, 2017, 06:31:28 PM

Imagine if Qibla of Muslims were still in Jerusalem, you could imagine what would've happened? in my honest opinion they should evacuate the city and reconstruct the temple with the current technology since they have the money and the means.

It's all the great Britain's fault, they were the ones told Jews to go back to Israel otherwise they were living and were happy spread out in the world.

As God has promised them not to see any good day because of their betrayals, they shall not settle down peacefully and have a land of their own.

You mean it was the UN's fault for having a two thirds majority on the issue, right?

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Imagine if Qibla of Muslims were still in Jerusalem, you could imagine what would've happened? in my honest opinion they should evacuate the city and reconstruct the temple with the current technology since they have the money and the means.

It's all the great Britain's fault, they were the ones told Jews to go back to Israel otherwise they were living and were happy spread out in the world.

As God has promised them not to see any good day because of their betrayals, they shall not settle down peacefully and have a land of their own.

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Quote from: baritus on May 03, 2017, 04:55:22 PM

We are now speaking about a place with extreme political correctness (Sweden) instead of one with zero (Israel).

I find it funny that the ones saying we shouldn't be as extreme as Sweden are doing it to defend the other extreme which treats non-Jews as second class citizens or not even citizens at all. I'm pretty sure having institutionalized racism and a self-admitted apartheid state is worse than trying to create the best version of society possible and going overboard a bit.

Wait a minute. If we can't make note of someone's skin color we can make note of them being a Jew?

Thing about political correctness is, there is no one single "correct."

Instead with it emerges a population of PC Opinionators, who wish to tell you what and how to think. And they take marching orders from others, who get word from on high. Thus for you is decided what is "correct."

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We are now speaking about a place with extreme political correctness (Sweden) instead of one with zero (Israel).

I find it funny that the ones saying we shouldn't be as extreme as Sweden are doing it to defend the other extreme which treats non-Jews as second class citizens or not even citizens at all. I'm pretty sure having institutionalized racism and a self-admitted apartheid state is worse than trying to create the best version of society possible and going overboard a bit.

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Quote from: GreenBits on May 03, 2017, 05:14:42 AM

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In time, as our social technologies continue to develop, we will look back and retroactively identify the true reason for criminality, which is poverty. But as crime is a talking point in American politics, a huge one, the rhetoric has gone dog whistle rather than the overt racism we saw only a few short decades ago. So, much easier to make a skin color, or a culture, a scapegoat. This is the negative side of populism that comes out EVERY time it's presented. rather than a national pride that goes along with an appreciation for other cultures, it's a xenophobia punctuated with ridicule for certain, target cultures, and a national selfishness; an unwillingness to assist others on a global scale.

Of course, without data on race, we wouldn't know much. We wouldn't know how often blacks murder blacks, blacks murder whites, or whites murder blacks. We wouldn't know if and when cops kill a black kid.

And there'd be no ability to check White, African-American, Asian, Hispanic, Other on government forms.

Please stop lecturing, until those checkboxes on government forms are gone.

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And yet those poor Europeans are still dreaming of their multiculturalist utopia being a standard across the world. Sigh. Sweden has even been accused of covering up abuses done by the immigrunts. Almost every journalist that has been to Rikeby has been attacked. To be fair with them, how do you arrest rapefugees that mob and molest girls at concerts when most of the people there are rapefugees.

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Sweden has made it an offense to mention the skin color or the race of the perpetrator, in case of violent offenses such as rape and murder. If you mention the skin color of the criminal, then you will go to jail. An example of how rabid the political correctness can be.

What a bullshit! If he has this skin color it is not an insult but a statement of facts. It seems to me that such rules we provoke terrorists and criminals. Isn't that harassment of other residents? I like smoke and I was restricted only special Smoking areas. Isn't this infringe upon my rights?

That is obviously bad, free speech should be sacred, however also identifying people based on their skin color is not really fair.

An individual is an individual, and if he is criminal, then he is. But to expand his criminality to his entire race is very unfair.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I have a dream today!" - Martin Luther King Jr.

But if we couldn't stereotype, people wouldn't have convenient targets for their generic, unfocused hate Wink

In time, as our social technologies continue to develop, we will look back and retroactively identify the true reason for criminality, which is poverty. But as crime is a talking point in American politics, a huge one, the rhetoric has gone dog whistle rather than the overt racism we saw only a few short decades ago. So, much easier to make a skin color, or a culture, a scapegoat. This is the negative side of populism that comes out EVERY time it's presented. rather than a national pride that goes along with an appreciation for other cultures, it's a xenophobia punctuated with ridicule for certain, target cultures, and a national selfishness; an unwillingness to assist others on a global scale.

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Quote from: Lancusters on May 02, 2017, 08:10:00 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2017, 11:47:36 PM

Quote from: Mometaskers on April 30, 2017, 01:04:18 PM

And yet those poor Europeans are still dreaming of their multiculturalist utopia being a standard across the world. Sigh. Sweden has even been accused of covering up abuses done by the immigrunts. Almost every journalist that has been to Rikeby has been attacked. To be fair with them, how do you arrest rapefugees that mob and molest girls at concerts when most of the people there are rapefugees.

Europeans - they will be missed.

Sweden has made it an offense to mention the skin color or the race of the perpetrator, in case of violent offenses such as rape and murder. If you mention the skin color of the criminal, then you will go to jail. An example of how rabid the political correctness can be.

What a bullshit! If he has this skin color it is not an insult but a statement of facts. It seems to me that such rules we provoke terrorists and criminals. Isn't that harassment of other residents? I like smoke and I was restricted only special Smoking areas. Isn't this infringe upon my rights?

You are right. These rules are indirectly helping the criminals.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swedish-police-are-not-allowed-to-give-descriptions-of-alleged-criminals-so-as-not-to-sound-racist-a6810311.html

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/01/17/swedish-police-instructed-to-withhold-from-public-suspects-skin-color-and-ethnicity-to-avoid-being-labeled-racist/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/15/2784799/

While looking for the suspects, the Swedish police can't say that the individual belongs to a particular ethnic group, speaks a particular language, or is having a particular skin color. Welcome to the world of rabid political correctness.

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Quote from: Lancusters on May 02, 2017, 08:10:00 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2017, 11:47:36 PM

Quote from: Mometaskers on April 30, 2017, 01:04:18 PM

And yet those poor Europeans are still dreaming of their multiculturalist utopia being a standard across the world. Sigh. Sweden has even been accused of covering up abuses done by the immigrunts. Almost every journalist that has been to Rikeby has been attacked. To be fair with them, how do you arrest rapefugees that mob and molest girls at concerts when most of the people there are rapefugees.

Europeans - they will be missed.

Sweden has made it an offense to mention the skin color or the race of the perpetrator, in case of violent offenses such as rape and murder. If you mention the skin color of the criminal, then you will go to jail. An example of how rabid the political correctness can be.

What a bullshit! If he has this skin color it is not an insult but a statement of facts. It seems to me that such rules we provoke terrorists and criminals. Isn't that harassment of other residents? I like smoke and I was restricted only special Smoking areas. Isn't this infringe upon my rights?

That is obviously bad, free speech should be sacred, however also identifying people based on their skin color is not really fair.

An individual is an individual, and if he is criminal, then he is. But to expand his criminality to his entire race is very unfair.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I have a dream today!" - Martin Luther King Jr.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2017, 11:47:36 PM

Quote from: Mometaskers on April 30, 2017, 01:04:18 PM

And yet those poor Europeans are still dreaming of their multiculturalist utopia being a standard across the world. Sigh. Sweden has even been accused of covering up abuses done by the immigrunts. Almost every journalist that has been to Rikeby has been attacked. To be fair with them, how do you arrest rapefugees that mob and molest girls at concerts when most of the people there are rapefugees.

Europeans - they will be missed.

Sweden has made it an offense to mention the skin color or the race of the perpetrator, in case of violent offenses such as rape and murder. If you mention the skin color of the criminal, then you will go to jail. An example of how rabid the political correctness can be.

What a bullshit! If he has this skin color it is not an insult but a statement of facts. It seems to me that such rules we provoke terrorists and criminals. Isn't that harassment of other residents? I like smoke and I was restricted only special Smoking areas. Isn't this infringe upon my rights?

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Quote from: HabBear on April 27, 2017, 12:42:16 AM

...or hypocritical?

The Jewish people were oppressed by Nazi Germany. As a result, they were granted land in Palestine...a place for them to have their own sovereign state, Israel. Israel now withholds water and other resources from native Palestinians in the West Bank, oppressing them.

Ironic or Hypocritical or Hype or Justified or ....?

Thoughts?

This is a total lie. The Palestinians basically suggested the Holocaust to Hitler:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

Even after all of that tyranny and atrocity, Jews still opened up their heart to the Palestinians, because they are humble and forgiving, but they refused it, and now the Palestinians are always doing evil and murdering people.

Israel basically subsidizes the entire West Bank because Palestinians are not capable of doing anything productive with their time but to bash Jews and invent conspiracy theories.

Every single time Israel lends out a hand to them, they always refuse, and shortly thereafter they commit some bad things.

How can you reason with these people? Are their fanatic hatred so strong that it blinds their rational thinking capacities.

You have to really admire what Israel went through all these years, all the unprovoked wars, the hatred and the crimes that arabs do in that region.

Israel is really a miracle despite all the bad things that were happening in that region. They build skyscrapers, and their economy is flourishing. This is what happens when you have a wise and intelligent Jewish population that has it's morality based on freedom and equality and wisdom. A tradition of 5000 years. Well done.

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Quote from: ridery99 on May 02, 2017, 04:33:20 PM

We don't have to stress at all. God's going to destroy every nation and army trying to take Israel away from the Jewish people.

Who is stressing?

Anyway, since it was the United Nations that gave the land to Israel, shouldn't the hate of all the haters be directed at the UN?

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Quote from: ridery99 on May 02, 2017, 04:33:20 PM

We don't have to stress at all. God's going to destroy every nation and army trying to take Israel away from the Jewish people.

Your God is racist against everyone except Jews? Interesting.

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We don't have to stress at all. God's going to destroy every nation and army trying to take Israel away from the Jewish people.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 02, 2017, 12:18:50 AM

Quote from: baritus on May 01, 2017, 02:15:18 PM

It's obvious you're a Zionist from your use of the Muslim religion to group Palestinians. Many Palestinians are Christians and they hate Israel just as much.

The threat for Christian Palestinians comes from their own Muslim colleagues, and not from the Israelis. A few decades back, more than 30% of the Palestinians were Christian. Now the figure is around 8%. Do you know the reason?

How many Christian Palestinians have you spoken with directly?

I don't think you have a good grasp of the situation.

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Quote from: baritus on May 01, 2017, 02:15:18 PM

It's obvious you're a Zionist from your use of the Muslim religion to group Palestinians. Many Palestinians are Christians and they hate Israel just as much.

The threat for Christian Palestinians comes from their own Muslim colleagues, and not from the Israelis. A few decades back, more than 30% of the Palestinians were Christian. Now the figure is around 8%. Do you know the reason?

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