Is Israel's current existence ironic? - page 3.

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Quote from: mindrust on April 29, 2017, 08:19:01 AM

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Israel exterminates Arabs there because no-one is stopping them. They will keep doing it till someone hammers them down.....

Really?

By any objective measure it's Arabs who are exterminating Arabs (along with various other people-types).

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Quote from: farl2web on April 29, 2017, 12:14:19 AM

Who would not say anything, but the Jews know how to live and build their country. Despite years of conflict with their neighbors, they are like outcasts all over the world and yet their standard of living is much better than in many countries around the world.

Even before the foundation of Israel, the Jews had some of the highest standards of living in the world. And despite the holocaust and the numerous wars, they were able to build their new country from scratch.

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There is nothing ironic about survival. Nazis tried to exterminate Jews because they wanted more wealth, more nazis to exist Grin

The US & Russia didn't let Nazis because it would harm them too.

Israel exterminates Arabs there because no-one is stopping them. They will keep doing it till someone hammers them down.

Human rights is all bullshit. No one cares who kills who unless it doesn't benefit them.

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Quote from: farl2web on April 29, 2017, 12:14:19 AM

Who would not say anything, but the Jews know how to live and build their country. Despite years of conflict with their neighbors, they are like outcasts all over the world and yet their standard of living is much better than in many countries around the world.

One of the big lies is that the Great Powers created the nation state of Israel. The United Nations did with a two thirds majority vote. The Arab nations were united in opposition.

Even though the proposal included steps for the creation of a Palestinian state, that didn't matter. They couldn't stand the idea of a Jewish state. It's not a matter of equal for the two sides, they have to have it all and have the Jews have nothing. That's the way they were, and that's the way they are.

Hence a Palestinian "leader," Yassir Arafat, with over 400 terrorist bombings and atrocities to his credit. Hence today, 10% of the Palestinian Authority toward terrorist support. Hence today, massive propaganda, including the initial premises of this thread.

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Who would not say anything, but the Jews know how to live and build their country. Despite years of conflict with their neighbors, they are like outcasts all over the world and yet their standard of living is much better than in many countries around the world.

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The Palestinians were not a people in the first place. The land was just a region in the Ottoman empire. The whole idea that Israel is oppressing the Palestinians is just a way for people to hate Israel. The situation is kind of like if the USA was to be completely destroyed and new countries took over the land, but people who lived in America in the area once known as California decided they wanted land so they started to complain the the country that exists in what was once California is oppressing the Californians and that they should get the land that was taken from them. It wouldn't make much sense to give them the land would it? they didn't do anything to deserve that land did they? no. Its not a perfect example but it gets the point across. There was never a Palestinian people so why should we give them land?

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Jews are already there prior to establisment of Israel. They would have been massacred had they not fought back. UN tried to resolve the problem, Arabs rejected it. Israel has offered them various deals and moved out of Gaza, they rejected it.

This is the same elsewhere where you have Muslims as minorities. Give them deals, and if they accept it, soon enough violence would be breaking out again and they'll be asking for more.

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Quote from: Forester618 on April 27, 2017, 04:18:18 PM

It seems to me that Israel will never be able to coexist peacefully with Palestine. This is a problem of unfinished war. As it is not sad, but someone has to win and cease to exist. In another such conflicts are not solved. Only war until will remain only one country.

Because that's what the Arabs WANT. It's not what Israel want.

Look at the history.

Resolution 181 also laid the foundation for the creation of an Arab state, but its neighbour states and the Arab League, which rejected all attempts at the creation of a Jewish state, rejected the plan.

Ofcourse Arabs rejected it.
Israel has nothing to do in the Middle East, there's been 3000 years since the last time Jews habitated these areas
Arabs lived here for thousands of years, only to be chased out and overpopulated at the time of the Second World War
Hebrews should of gone to Madagascar
This land rightfully belongs to the Arabs

LOL, this is as funny as those people claiming Earth is just 6000 years old. True, Romans expelled Jews from Judea (and also renamed it to "Palestina" but Jews has started come back to place before Arabs arrived. Jews have been living in the Middle East prior to the Arab conquest, which is why Muhammad has asked help from them against the pagans of Mecca and tried to have them join his new religion. (Jews and Christians, as expected, rejected it)

Quote from: Forester618 on April 28, 2017, 11:51:19 AM

The Jews built in the desert economically developed country. All other neighbouring areas in decline. For me it is an indicator. Give the Arabs Israel, and a few years there will again be a desert. Why do it?

Give a crocodile a bite of your finger, next it will ask for a hand. Give that to it and then it'll ask for the whole arm.

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The Jews built in the desert economically developed country. All other neighbouring areas in decline. For me it is an indicator. Give the Arabs Israel, and a few years there will again be a desert. Why do it?

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Quote from: Okurkabinladin on April 27, 2017, 03:00:11 AM

HabBear,

I think its bit more complicated than that.

1) There were no Palestinians before formation of modern Israel, just native arabized tribes. Palestinian nationhood only started forming as a reaction to Israeli settlement. You could see parallel to First Nations in North America.

2) If Israel did withold water from local arabic population, said population would just die of thirst.

3) Israelis indeed do treat Arabs as second class citizens, thats completely correct. Its worth mention however that United States put people of japanese descent into concentration camps after Pearl Harbor and kept them in isolation until imminent danger of invasion passed. Sometimes ideals have to take backseat, when national security is at stake.

Now, if you watch news, youd get this idea that Israelis are middle eastern superpower - while quite developed, its still seven million people surrounded by hundred plus million Arabs, who are more or less hostile since turbulent creation of the state.

Nope, is very simple. Just imagine that you live quietly in your country, territory or whatever you want to call it, then for reasons beyond your control (wars in this case) immigrants begin to arrive to your country. Despite not being the majority, one day they decide that this territory is theirs (thanks to the approval of a country foreign to that territory) and form a independent state and the rest, do what you want but outside my territory. Try to be empathic and think what you would do...

So in my opinion...fuck israelites, i hope one day they recieved all things they did x100000000000000. If they did not have the support of the great powers, in which most powerful people are Jews, they would be nothing...Probably a palestinian more.

I wonder how the native americans and native canadians feel about us? Our ancestors in the west killed millions of them all for land. At least the israelies haven't done the ethnic cleansing like us westerners did not so long ago..

I dont know, im not american. In any case, throughout history, man has always been doing the same thing all over the world, invading and subjecting the minority to their interests.

What would you call what Israel has done to the Palestinian people? Maybe ethnic cleansing is not the most appropriate term in this case, but it is a mass murder.

Really?

One more time.

Resolution 181 also laid the foundation for the creation of an Arab state, but its neighbour states and the Arab League, which rejected all attempts at the creation of a Jewish state, rejected the plan.

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Quote from: Gyro on April 27, 2017, 10:57:44 AM

Quote from: cigaLeider on April 27, 2017, 04:38:42 AM

Quote from: Okurkabinladin on April 27, 2017, 03:00:11 AM

HabBear,

I think its bit more complicated than that.

1) There were no Palestinians before formation of modern Israel, just native arabized tribes. Palestinian nationhood only started forming as a reaction to Israeli settlement. You could see parallel to First Nations in North America.

2) If Israel did withold water from local arabic population, said population would just die of thirst.

3) Israelis indeed do treat Arabs as second class citizens, thats completely correct. Its worth mention however that United States put people of japanese descent into concentration camps after Pearl Harbor and kept them in isolation until imminent danger of invasion passed. Sometimes ideals have to take backseat, when national security is at stake.

Now, if you watch news, youd get this idea that Israelis are middle eastern superpower - while quite developed, its still seven million people surrounded by hundred plus million Arabs, who are more or less hostile since turbulent creation of the state.

Nope, is very simple. Just imagine that you live quietly in your country, territory or whatever you want to call it, then for reasons beyond your control (wars in this case) immigrants begin to arrive to your country. Despite not being the majority, one day they decide that this territory is theirs (thanks to the approval of a country foreign to that territory) and form a independent state and the rest, do what you want but outside my territory. Try to be empathic and think what you would do...

So in my opinion...fuck israelites, i hope one day they recieved all things they did x100000000000000. If they did not have the support of the great powers, in which most powerful people are Jews, they would be nothing...Probably a palestinian more.

I wonder how the native americans and native canadians feel about us? Our ancestors in the west killed millions of them all for land. At least the israelies haven't done the ethnic cleansing like us westerners did not so long ago..

I dont know, im not american. In any case, throughout history, man has always been doing the same thing all over the world, invading and subjecting the minority to their interests.

What would you call what Israel has done to the Palestinian people? Maybe ethnic cleansing is not the most appropriate term in this case, but it is a mass murder.

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on April 28, 2017, 06:25:37 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on April 27, 2017, 05:00:56 PM

Quote from: Forester618 on April 27, 2017, 04:18:18 PM

It seems to me that Israel will never be able to coexist peacefully with Palestine. This is a problem of unfinished war. As it is not sad, but someone has to win and cease to exist. In another such conflicts are not solved. Only war until will remain only one country.

Because that's what the Arabs WANT. It's not what Israel want.

Look at the history.

Resolution 181 also laid the foundation for the creation of an Arab state, but its neighbour states and the Arab League, which rejected all attempts at the creation of a Jewish state, rejected the plan.

Ofcourse Arabs rejected it.
Israel has nothing to do in the Middle East, there's been 3000 years since the last time Jews habitated these areas
Arabs lived here for thousands of years, only to be chased out and overpopulated at the time of the Second World War
Hebrews should of gone to Madagascar
This land rightfully belongs to the Arabs

Can I know your education, sir?

Arabs have not lived in Palestine for thousands of years, because old arabic was reserved for southern part of Arabian peninsula until CONQUEST (see the pattern?!) by prophet Mohammed. Exterminating or assimilating opposition in the process. Palestine and Levant two to three millenia ago was inhabitated by people who spoke and practiced Aramaic, old Hebrew, Assyrian and perhaps Greek and Persian culture. Not your "Arabs".

What the hell?

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Quote from: Spendulus on April 27, 2017, 05:00:56 PM

Quote from: Forester618 on April 27, 2017, 04:18:18 PM

It seems to me that Israel will never be able to coexist peacefully with Palestine. This is a problem of unfinished war. As it is not sad, but someone has to win and cease to exist. In another such conflicts are not solved. Only war until will remain only one country.

Because that's what the Arabs WANT. It's not what Israel want.

Look at the history.

Resolution 181 also laid the foundation for the creation of an Arab state, but its neighbour states and the Arab League, which rejected all attempts at the creation of a Jewish state, rejected the plan.

Ofcourse Arabs rejected it.
Israel has nothing to do in the Middle East, there's been 3000 years since the last time Jews habitated these areas
Arabs lived here for thousands of years, only to be chased out and overpopulated at the time of the Second World War
Hebrews should of gone to Madagascar
This land rightfully belongs to the Arabs

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Quote from: Lieldoryn on April 27, 2017, 07:40:26 PM

The Palestinians do not like to work. They do nothing and at the same time very jealous of the Israelites. They have chosen the path of terror. Who is interested in destabilizing the situation in the middle East pay them money, and they commit acts of terrorism. For me, the Palestinians are not people.

Perhaps Israel must expel the Palestinians to any of the 50+ Muslim nations around the world. Arab nations don't allow Jews to reside on their territory. During the 1950s and the 1960s, most of the Jews living in these nations were expelled. Then why shouldn't the Jews retaliate in kind?

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The Palestinians do not like to work. They do nothing and at the same time very jealous of the Israelites. They have chosen the path of terror. Who is interested in destabilizing the situation in the middle East pay them money, and they commit acts of terrorism. For me, the Palestinians are not people.

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Just a bunch of innocent angels living their lives and have nothing to do with others they can't even harm an ant, let them be will you? those poor souls even have their walls around them waiting for the bus to come and then jump on it straight to heaven.
I mean they couldn't possibly buy one of the states in US with their wealth and have their own country and since US is their friend I'm sure they wouldn't mind that, but they have to be exactly in that very geographic spot on earth? I'm sure they have their reasons.

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Quote from: Spendulus on April 27, 2017, 05:00:56 PM

Quote from: Forester618 on April 27, 2017, 04:18:18 PM

It seems to me that Israel will never be able to coexist peacefully with Palestine. This is a problem of unfinished war. As it is not sad, but someone has to win and cease to exist. In another such conflicts are not solved. Only war until will remain only one country.

Because that's what the Arabs WANT. It's not what Israel want.

Look at the history.

Resolution 181 also laid the foundation for the creation of an Arab state, but its neighbour states and the Arab League, which rejected all attempts at the creation of a Jewish state, rejected the plan.

I have many friends living in Israel. I can't say that they want war with the Arabs. But once the Arabs satisfied with any attack, they immediately rush into battle. Sooner or later they would destroy Palestine.

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Quote from: Forester618 on April 27, 2017, 04:18:18 PM

It seems to me that Israel will never be able to coexist peacefully with Palestine. This is a problem of unfinished war. As it is not sad, but someone has to win and cease to exist. In another such conflicts are not solved. Only war until will remain only one country.

Because that's what the Arabs WANT. It's not what Israel want.

Look at the history.

Resolution 181 also laid the foundation for the creation of an Arab state, but its neighbour states and the Arab League, which rejected all attempts at the creation of a Jewish state, rejected the plan.

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there are good reasons to oppose the actions of israel and international jewry in general but this is childish nonsense, there's no difference between how israel was founded and let's say the usa or australia with natives being killed or kicked out to make way for settlers who wanted to be in the majority, whether we like it or not israelis have acquired national rights by dint of being born in that country and they aren't going to voluntarily disestablish their country and leave themselves open to the zimbabwe treatment or something much worse.

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It seems to me that Israel will never be able to coexist peacefully with Palestine. This is a problem of unfinished war. As it is not sad, but someone has to win and cease to exist. In another such conflicts are not solved. Only war until will remain only one country.

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