Is it illegal for someone to hack my BTC wallet? - page 12.

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Quote from: Bitware on May 29, 2016, 01:22:16 PM

Quote from: cjmoles on May 29, 2016, 04:01:35 AM

I'm not clear on this one point. If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law? At what point could that be considered a crime? For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect In which of those examples could I have pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?

Yes, it would be illegal.

under what law exactly? and in what country was the wallet located? the users country or the hosts country?

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Quote from: European Central Bank on May 29, 2016, 11:50:24 AM

Quote from: poptok1 on May 29, 2016, 11:33:39 AM

Most of civilised country's recognise digital theft.

They do but they're not gonna do anything about it. There's quite a few people on here who've attempted to report stuff and they don't seem to get very far.

I think the government doesnt do anything, they are not responsible for that, except if the hackers hacks their government site. The news will spread out using media and social media

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Quote from: cjmoles on May 29, 2016, 04:01:35 AM

I'm not clear on this one point. If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law? At what point could that be considered a crime? For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect In which of those examples could I have pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?

Yes, it would be illegal.

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As far as I know, hacking for stealing and is illegal.

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Quote from: cjmoles on May 29, 2016, 12:14:39 PM

So,

1) If they hacked into my machine and stole the private key; (illegal)
2) If they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; (illegal)
3) If they brute forced the private key into existence; (not illegal)
4) If they snapped a shot of my private key qr code over my shoulder at an ATM. (not illegal)

What if I claimed an address on the block chain with a signature and 3 or 4 happened? Would I have a case then?

If 3) happens then all Bitcoins become worthless and the question would become: If I take something which is worth nothing is it illegal?

Well I guess you could argue that even though all Bitcoins are now worthless they still might have sentimental value.

I think bitcoin would still have value because the bad actor would not expose themselves....right? Would he have an incentive to keep the method a secret?

See, that's what's got me re-thinking some of these points....How would we prove that 3 or 4 happened, unless the bad actor exposed the method? And, what new legislation might be proposed to protect public ledger breeches? It's kind of scary thinking about the public space being legislated (which could be proposed due to bitcoin's market capital reaching such high numbers)....Sometimes legislation that's passed through has unintended consequences when it comes to personal liberties....

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Quote from: bitdumper on May 29, 2016, 11:55:46 AM

If you found their private key by mathematical computation or guessing, I think it will not be considered illegal. But if you got that by using malware or trojan that may be illegal.
If you hacked Nobody can expect you can claim that wallet is yours.

So,

1) If they hacked into my machine and stole the private key; (illegal)
2) If they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; (illegal)
3) If they brute forced the private key into existence; (not illegal)
4) If they snapped a shot of my private key qr code over my shoulder at an ATM. (not illegal)

What if I claimed an address on the block chain with a signature and 3 or 4 happened? Would I have a case then?

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If you found their private key by mathematical computation or guessing, I think it will not be considered illegal. But if you got that by using malware or trojan that may be illegal.
If you hacked Nobody can expect you can claim that wallet is yours.

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Quote from: poptok1 on May 29, 2016, 11:33:39 AM

Most of civilised country's recognise digital theft.

They do but they're not gonna do anything about it. There's quite a few people on here who've attempted to report stuff and they don't seem to get very far.

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Bobby Fischer was right

Most of civilised country's recognise digital theft.
Different definitions are taken in to consideration. But most of those states have
something like " if one breaks through securities to poses things that are hidden behind those
securities, this is considered a crime against law of possession" In my country at the least
most of cyber goods, like items from WOW or LOL are protected under this law.
I think bitcoins are no different, also are goods, digital but still.

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All of those scenarios look like theft. Problem is the authorities ain't gonna care enough to do anything about it. Those guys are geared to nail single moms taking nappies from the store, not remote crimes of stuff they don't understand.

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I'm not clear on this one point. If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law? At what point could that be considered a crime? For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?

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