I challenge you to try and find patterns in chance based games.
The truth is you will not succeed because if it was even possible then people would be doing it all the time and casinos would have been bankrupt. All such "methods" that some tout about are in fact not good for anything. Any chance based games will simply have a house edge and therefore in the long term the casino always wins. Think of it twice before you try anything such.
It may give you a small advantage to count cards on poker tables, and improve your chances on blackjack, but still it's not guaranteeing a win. Further, it takes away a lot of the fun. So I'd say don't bother. Gamble for fun and don't expect profit. Otherwise you may lose much or even everything under false premises with gambling.
Topic: Is it legal to create statistical software for a game? (Read 336 times)
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
Usually casino games are checked and monitored against any biases and patterns, and there is a house edge on top of that My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
I remember something, there were sites that tracked the Crash game in some casinos... that was interesting for those of us who were chasing x100-x1000 or more, we could see when the last time there was a high crash. From that, I determined which bet to start with and had some vision of how many crashes are needed before some high crash comes.
It's ethical & fair, don't worry about that. Those aren't the right questions, the real question is whether it can help you create a winning strategy. Unfortunately, the answer is no, at least not one that will work in the long run.
I used to spend a lot more time and money on those things (auto betting strategies and everything related to them), but I'm not as free as I used to be. Maybe one day I will get back to it, who knows...
So enjoy and have fun, maybe you will manage to make something. If you decide to do it, I would love to see your strategies and hear more about your successes/failures.
I don't think that's ilegal, because even if we find a patern since the roll are random the patern will not be a constante, there is a house edge and there is nothing that we can do about that, the numbers are in the house side and that mean the house will always win in the long run.
That's an interesting topic IMO. From an ethical standpoint it doesn't seem like you are breaking any rules as long as someone is not using software to directly manipulate the game or interact with the casino. Storing data manually and analyzing patterns is more as doing homework to improve your chances which is very normal to me.
However, whether it’s fair depends on how the casino see it. Something siimilar to card counting in blackjack, working within the limits of the game, but casinos don’t like anything that gives players an edge beyond pure chance with their algorithms. They might consider it unfair even if it’s not directly against their rules, but they also have authority to do whatever they decide.
At the end of the day, casinos set the rules and players need to decide if they want to work within those limits or risk being flagged and take responsibility of their losses.
However, whether it’s fair depends on how the casino see it. Something siimilar to card counting in blackjack, working within the limits of the game, but casinos don’t like anything that gives players an edge beyond pure chance with their algorithms. They might consider it unfair even if it’s not directly against their rules, but they also have authority to do whatever they decide.
At the end of the day, casinos set the rules and players need to decide if they want to work within those limits or risk being flagged and take responsibility of their losses.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Even if you can access your history, adding some more software that tracks and computes what could be the next move is a solid thing, every move will be based on the data so Idk why some suggesting that the match history is enough to see what's your usual bets and the output of that thing. It's like comparing manual computation to a machine learning.
Let's say you are playing the roulette, waiting for a long streak of the same colour in order to place your bet predicting the break of the pattern.
Well from the op description, I think the type of pattern and or statistics he meant is the football statistics and previous results and not the roulette, because such games like roulette does not have statistics unlike the football.Some gamblers believe they can win safely by placing bets on teams which display a solid history of never having lost to teams considered weaker or inferior. Someone told me the key is to place a bet Real Madrid is not going to lose by a 4 x 0 score to an average club of the league. In order to do so, he has to place a huge bet to make tiny profit, but in his mind it's safe like investing money and making passive income from.
However, the underdog club can still be lucky or impressively skilled for a day and overcome Real Madrid. So, it's not a solid method to be used by gamblers.
You can find your previous stats history from the casino itself, you don't need a specific bot to do that and even if you have it can't be illegal because all you do is just enter the results of yours in different software to analyse and find out if there's any pattern. I bet people already did it and with more bigger scale than just our bets still they can't able to find any pattern and that's the definition of randomness, the result of each bet is independent and all the previous bets becomes irrelevant.
Apparently if there is a non cheating pattern that can give us consistent winnings I am sure we would all adopt it with boldness but would be concious if the strategy is obtained by a software that could be termed as cheating.
No, that’s just not possible. If someone can consistently win against a game with a house edge, it means they’re already cheating. Simple logic, my friend, these games are designed to ensure the house always has the advantage. There’s no way to beat them at their own game unless some form of cheating is involved. It’s just how the system is built, no shortcuts, no other way around it. 
What I know about this kind of software is that it is a tool to help you analyze patterns; some AI can do that, and how will they know that you created one? If you are betting fair and based it on your analysis, they don't accuse you of going to the future and coming back to bet if you are betting consistently.
All I know is they will limit you if you are consistently winning the house, but accusing you of cheating without proof will boomerang on the casino's reputation.
If this is how this software program works with the gambling and and knowing how strick and trickish we know the casinos has always been not to tolerate cheating especially when personal developed softwares is giving gamblers winnings strategies, the casino must surely penalize the player if caught.All I know is they will limit you if you are consistently winning the house, but accusing you of cheating without proof will boomerang on the casino's reputation.
So why not we just play along with our eligible self abilities where we can always be free from accusations and the denial of cash outs if apprehended?
Apparently if there is a non cheating pattern that can give us consistent winnings I am sure we would all adopt it with boldness but would be concious if the strategy is obtained by a software that could be termed as cheating.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
In as much as this maybe not work in all games and gambling and no gambling platforms Will ever permits the existence of such because it will reduce most of their chances of maximizing their profits knowingly to them. However, this might not really be necessary especially considering gambling as just a game and nothing to be overly serious about even though most tend to focus on it In terms of chasing riches which is very unrealistic because it has so many up and downs and nothing can actually be guaranteed.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
This is not new, I've seen a few external software and bots that interact with gambling platforms without issues. It started many years ago and it is acceptable to the extent that some gambling platforms will even add it in their adverts to lure more people to them believing that with those software and bots, they will be able to win more. However, the reverse has always been the case for the claims, casinos will always win irrespective of the programs you installed and they must have carefully studied the programs to ensure it is harmless and will not exploit their system. 
If it’s not cheating then it’s legal, and if it’s legal it’s probably ethical too.
Just keep grinding and looking for ways to beat the system though we all know it’s almost impossible to outsmart a casino. If you do manage to pull it off, you might even be the first to achieve it! So, keep developing your strategy but it’s fine to share your ideas, just never reveal the exact system. Once it becomes common knowledge, casinos will make sure it stops working. After all, you’re cutting into their business, and they won’t let that slide.
Just keep grinding and looking for ways to beat the system though we all know it’s almost impossible to outsmart a casino. If you do manage to pull it off, you might even be the first to achieve it! So, keep developing your strategy but it’s fine to share your ideas, just never reveal the exact system. Once it becomes common knowledge, casinos will make sure it stops working. After all, you’re cutting into their business, and they won’t let that slide.
If there are such skilled people who can analyze their games, make up a sequence of actions in the games they have played, and generally bring all actions to a neat and understandable way of playing, who can stop them from doing this? Don't many players, those who play not for fun but for their "earnings," build their "strategies" in their heads? I would describe all the behavior that the OP is asking in the same way. Until then, everything that does not harm others will not be a crime, and if such naive people are looking for ways to beat the casino, and the casino does not notice anything illegal in their actions, then there are no problems.
I don't think it would make any difference on long run, because results are random, and there isn't anything such as patterns in gambling results. Always you place a bet you are under risk of losing or winning it. By having access to statistics doesn't give you an assurance of placing a safe bet which will result in a guaranteed profit.
Many have already tried, but nothing was achieved in the end, because there is a mathematical house edge playing against gamblers, which is impossible to be beated.
Well I agree with you that there is nothing as pattern in gambling results, and also placing a bet has 2 chances of either win or lose as the case may be, and all these doesn't guarantees safe betting or profit, but I strongly believe that statistics of previous matches gives more accurate tips in prediction than just gambling with instinct. Most gamblers I know that often win in betting usually win base on working with statistics of previous match.Many have already tried, but nothing was achieved in the end, because there is a mathematical house edge playing against gamblers, which is impossible to be beated.
Let's say you are playing the roulette, waiting for a long streak of the same colour in order to place your bet predicting the break of the pattern.
Well from the op description, I think the type of pattern and or statistics he meant is the football statistics and previous results and not the roulette, because such games like roulette does not have statistics unlike the football.
I don't think it would make any difference on long run, because results are random, and there isn't anything such as patterns in gambling results. Always you place a bet you are under risk of losing or winning it. By having access to statistics doesn't give you an assurance of placing a safe bet which will result in a guaranteed profit. Many have already tried, but nothing was achieved in the end, because there is a mathematical house edge playing against gamblers, which is impossible to be beated.
Let's say you are playing the roulette, waiting for a long streak of the same colour in order to place your bet predicting the break of the pattern. Then 14 blacks have been rolled in sequence, so you believe the 15º is going to be a red. Statistically, the chances are with you, but there isn't any guarantees the next colour is going to be a red. It might be another black.
Let's say you are playing the roulette, waiting for a long streak of the same colour in order to place your bet predicting the break of the pattern. Then 14 blacks have been rolled in sequence, so you believe the 15º is going to be a red. Statistically, the chances are with you, but there isn't any guarantees the next colour is going to be a red. It might be another black.
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That's true, if maybe there's any casino that kicks against using such statistical model, they could include it on their ToS but if there's no such rule, it means you can use it, not to ignore the fact that such statistics would not guarantee a steady winning streak. If it does, then the casino will not permit it because they know it can give the player an edge if winning more than usual.
I guess the casino will not have a problem with that because I think I am not get that written in their ToS. But maybe I am missed on that point so I am not really know for sure. But the important thing is we don't break their rules and will not doing illegal things to their site so everything will be okay for us. Besides that, we just collect more data from the history and all things needed in the site and other sources of info. 
Maybe what you should focus on now is creating a data-driven approach or software that can help increase your win rate. Serious gamblers often look for ways to gain an edge. If you have the skills and knowledge to build a system, that’s a huge advantage.
But having a system doesn’t automatically mean it will work in your favor. You need to test and prove it first. If it works, then you can start considering whether it’s legal or not. IMO as long as it doesn’t disrupt the game’s system, it shouldn’t be illegal. Hopefully, you’ll find a system that works for you, but keep it yourself as casino can easily make adjustments if they see the system being abused.
But having a system doesn’t automatically mean it will work in your favor. You need to test and prove it first. If it works, then you can start considering whether it’s legal or not. IMO as long as it doesn’t disrupt the game’s system, it shouldn’t be illegal. Hopefully, you’ll find a system that works for you, but keep it yourself as casino can easily make adjustments if they see the system being abused.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
Measuring statistics is not unethical nor unfair and I do not see a way it could be considered such. I see it rather as hedging your risks. Although if you are going to be gambling then the odds are artificially stacked against you in the first place (house edge).
Also, measuring the odds beyond the initial measurement is not really useful for gambling.
Firstly the reason for creating a software like that in the first place is to maximise winning and I don't see where winning is a crime. The thing is casino games that work on the basis of randomisation make use of some complex algorithms and for you to take maximum advantage over such an algorithm you need to have it and then exploit its flaws.
This is exactly where the problem is. I see no way you should be able get such an algorithm without cheating or breaking rules which will obviously end up making the software illegal.
This is exactly where the problem is. I see no way you should be able get such an algorithm without cheating or breaking rules which will obviously end up making the software illegal.
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