it is hard to reply without clear details. most of all sites (including gambling sites) have some clause that would avoid any kind of advantage for the player.
you must be aware of that these can be also "hidden" inside their terms or just a generic phrase .
generally speaking, if you are tracking some of your data this will be ok. however if you're doing this with scrapers, AI etc etc this can become a little unfair (and probably not allowed) so a check must be done.
Topic: Is it legal to create statistical software for a game? - page 3. (Read 336 times)
I don't think it would be unethical or unfair.
What if someone has good memory and could calculate statistics in mind, just like your software would do? Would that be unethical?
This software just keeps track record of your games and calculates statistics. Is keeping track record illegal? Is calculating statistics illegal? I don't think so.
What if someone has good memory and could calculate statistics in mind, just like your software would do? Would that be unethical?
This software just keeps track record of your games and calculates statistics. Is keeping track record illegal? Is calculating statistics illegal? I don't think so.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
I do not think there is anything unethical here. There is no harm being made towards anyone. You are basically just noting down the games you have played and looking for patterns but with the help of a software technology which I do not even think is the first time for anyone to do.Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
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-Would it be considered unfair?
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
I don't see anything illegal in making even a bot that will collect information from the site. Theoretically, anyone can write this information in a notebook and no one will forbid him, which means that the bot should not be banned either. However, the casino always has its own mind and they can easily block the gambler for suspicious actions on the site. Because I think the gambler is on their territory. Although in my opinion this is generally illegal, because the gambler also wants to try to create his strategy.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
I don't know how this will become unethical and unfair when you are just storing results. If you find a statistical pattern that will help you win games, then that's good for you. I don't see any cheating or manipulation; you are basing your bets on projected winning.
There's such a thing as a statistician, a guy whose job is to find patterns, and its not only on gambling; its being employed in many industries, so go for it I don't consider this cheating.
Data is most useful in sports betting. For other games, I don’t really see how it would work since the results are usually random. It might just be a waste of time inputting data and thinking it will help predict the future.
For sports betting, it’s much easier, especially with websites like this: https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/trends/ats_trends/. It has all the data you need on different games. I just shared the basketball section because that’s what I usually bet on.
For sports betting, it’s much easier, especially with websites like this: https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/trends/ats_trends/. It has all the data you need on different games. I just shared the basketball section because that’s what I usually bet on.
Fair enough the idea will work better on sports games. When it comes to statistics in sports games, you can measure the strength of a team and compare it with the other team they are playing against. As for casino games, it may be a lot more difficult for this to work especially slot games, crash, and other games that are most of the real-time games.
I doubt the game will help make guesses for each game. And of course, your statement "accurate guess" is wrong. There is no guess that is accurate. What the software intends to do based on my little knowledge is it will help show what might be the possible outcome in every game you feed the statistics to. I belive you will also be sharing the previous results of the game every time you play it and the software we help show if there is a structured pattern the game follows but that isn't accurate.
Your historical datas or disciplinary gambling skills such as manipulating the casinos site to forsee your winnings?
Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
i think the idea is to create a system that can analyze past data and use it to make a more accurate guess on whatever prediction you intend making at the present. for the question, Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
I wouldn't say it is illegal, but probably its' the question on how you can get that data from casinos? For sure if you requested them, they will deny without any explanation. So what will be your next move if they do that? Obtain it illegal? Then what's where the issue will come and it's not about how ethical it is, they will still deem this as illegal. And just like what others have asked, what kind of games are you going to create this statistics?
It will be interested to know and maybe some are already available to us and being shared already by casinos. In the end, you will not have total control about it, just saying. And if casinos found out what you are doing, who knows, maybe they will ban your account.
It will be interested to know and maybe some are already available to us and being shared already by casinos. In the end, you will not have total control about it, just saying. And if casinos found out what you are doing, who knows, maybe they will ban your account.
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Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
I believe this is totally fine especially if you are playing virtually like an online casino, they don't care what you are doing while playing, as long as you are not cheating or using some software that could make advantage to them. Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
This is like the same of using manually paper and pen taking notes or some things that could help you analyze the game.
Your historical datas or disciplinary gambling skills such as manipulating the casinos site to forsee your winnings?
Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
i doubt that the idea is to manipulate any data from the end of the casino. that out rightly is cheating and that is not the question here, i think the idea is to create a system that can analyze past data and use it to make a more accurate guess on whatever prediction you intend making at the present. for the question, how you are going to obtain your data is going to be an issue and what kind of game it will work on is another factor that is very important. for sports betting, regardless of the data you have collected and the machine or software you use in carrying out such analysis, you cant still be too certain of the outcome of the game. though it is usually not with a set out software, people generally try to make analysis that has the potential of beating the game they are predicting on. whatever you are doing to get your result, as long as it is not agaisnt the casino rules and that you are not cheating, it is completely legal.Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
As others have said, what kind of games you are looking at?
I'm thinking if for roulette, I think they are already providing this data already, hot numbers, black and red percentage etc. Same with baccarat, they also have statistics that you can look at.
So not sure what kind of games are you looking at to look at patterns. As for slots, I don't know how you can get those data.
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I don't know why I'm not finding it difficult to grab you point Op.
After much said that you don't mean the bot technology I still can't understand what software program that could carry on this task.
What specific statist gambling patterns are you instigating? Your historical datas or disciplinary gambling skills such as manipulating the casinos site to forsee your winnings?
Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
That simply means it would be considered unfair and unacceptable.
Perhaps for cautious ness, this proposal would seem suspiciously malicious.
I don't know why I'm not finding it difficult to grab you point Op.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
After much said that you don't mean the bot technology I still can't understand what software program that could carry on this task.
What specific statist gambling patterns are you instigating? Your historical datas or disciplinary gambling skills such as manipulating the casinos site to forsee your winnings?
Sorry I don't either think if the casinos would even get looses of their sites domain to admit any software program to have access to their domain.
That simply means it would be considered unfair and unacceptable.
Perhaps for cautious ness, this proposal would seem suspiciously malicious.
You can compute the data you've gathered from the result of every roll of a dice, for example, or a toss of a coin. Based on that, certain patterns might be detected by a software, therefore it can make a guess as to the probable result of the next roll. Will the prediction be accurate, though? Although it might turn out correct, the answer is no. After all, each roll of a dice is completely independent from all other rolls. This is true to other random-based casino games as well.
It would be nice to know the statistics of which game you intend to collect. Because there are already existing calculations for random games. And, although I'm not sure, in my opinion there are some rules that set the limits of advantage (casino) in slot type games. That is, let's say you collect statistics for a certain game, then compare it with known characteristics (if available) and see that, say, the game does not meet the stated characteristics in terms of probabilities.
If these statistics collection activities are not explicitly prohibited in writing, then I do not see anything unethical, illegal or unfair in such actions. You can also collect data for monitoring purposes. Actually, I don't understand why you need this. I could also understand collecting sports betting statistics in order to predict future results, but collecting statistics on a random game is only possible to convict of fraud, since it is easier to calculate probabilities using a formula if necessary.
If these statistics collection activities are not explicitly prohibited in writing, then I do not see anything unethical, illegal or unfair in such actions. You can also collect data for monitoring purposes. Actually, I don't understand why you need this. I could also understand collecting sports betting statistics in order to predict future results, but collecting statistics on a random game is only possible to convict of fraud, since it is easier to calculate probabilities using a formula if necessary.
In what specific game will you use it?
My memory is still good and I think it will not work with slots. I have seen repeated rolls but never the same result after 100 rolls. I don't think it's only about each play but your winnings and losses are also considered whenever you roll.
So, even if you put every result of each roll in software, there's no guarantee that you will have the same result as what you are about to predict using the software. I have been playing slots for a long time and I have favorite games that I repeatedly play which is why I could say I've seen some rolls before but didn't end up like the first or the second one.
It could be a waste of time, but test it out if you have the spare time.
My memory is still good and I think it will not work with slots. I have seen repeated rolls but never the same result after 100 rolls. I don't think it's only about each play but your winnings and losses are also considered whenever you roll.
So, even if you put every result of each roll in software, there's no guarantee that you will have the same result as what you are about to predict using the software. I have been playing slots for a long time and I have favorite games that I repeatedly play which is why I could say I've seen some rolls before but didn't end up like the first or the second one.
It could be a waste of time, but test it out if you have the spare time.
I'm not referring to any kind of bot that interacts directly with the website. We know this is wrong, and generally, casinos have good defenses against it.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
My question is more about software where each play and result is manually stored by you in your software's database, and it reflects the statistics of the next play.
Suppose the more data you input, the more likely it is to find a specific statistical pattern.
-How ethical would this be?
-Would it be considered unfair?
Because it could be compared to counting cards in blackjack, which is not illegal but is prohibited by casinos. Using statistical software could be seen similarly because it would be a way to maximize probabilities within the limits of the game.
These kinds of questions are very ambiguous and can clarify many aspects for the player to know their limits.
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