Is it possible to destroy Monero (XMR)?

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Quote from: Spoetnik on October 06, 2014, 10:00:10 PM

Is it possible to destroy Monero (XMR)?

YES !

And you advertising nagging shills are doing it with your "signal to noise ratio" bullshit !

like mentally ill compulsive crazy bag holders who can't help themselves.. picking and picking..
this does not surprise me either..
user Come-From-Above posted a quote before showing the OP admitting here on the forum he was in a Mental Institution.
So really all this obsessive sick Monero harping and spamming sort of makes sense if you think about it..
their sick and they can't help it i think.

You've just bumped a month old thread.

I guess you should get some credit though, you're doing exactly the same thing Moneroman88 did, but at least you're doing it with your own account.

Still makes you a complete dick. Just a little less of one.

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Is it possible to destroy Monero (XMR)?

YES !

And you advertising nagging shills are doing it with your "signal to noise ratio" bullshit !

like mentally ill compulsive crazy bag holders who can't help themselves.. picking and picking..
this does not surprise me either..
user Come-From-Above posted a quote before showing the OP admitting here on the forum he was in a Mental Institution.
So really all this obsessive sick Monero harping and spamming sort of makes sense if you think about it..
their sick and they can't help it i think.

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Quote from: othe on September 10, 2014, 04:49:06 AM

They have no idea what they talk about and didn´t even understand the implications of that Whitepaper.

I guess they need some new ammo for their pump: https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XST

Where are they going wrong? Stealthcoin that is.

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Quote from: drawingthesun on September 12, 2014, 07:20:12 AM

Quote from: grappa_barricata on September 11, 2014, 11:44:37 AM

Anything that is technically vulnerable will be attacked sooner or later. This is not a 'proof' of Monero validity (as it seems from some comments here that assume: attacked, therefore feared, therefore good). On the contrary, if anything, it is a proof of the system fragility in the current state.

This isn't true, attacks require effort, and the attack that affected Monero could have instead been aimed at any other CryptoNote coin but this did not happen.

In fact the fact that only Monero was attacked proves that you are completely and utterly wrong.

It proves nothing. Like smooth said, it does imply the attacker had some interest in hurting XMR.

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Quote from: rpietila on September 11, 2014, 02:26:02 PM

With all due respect, sir... your post history clearly reveals that you are a troll. But whatever. To each his own.

I also have low respect for you mr. dude with a tie.

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Quote from: grappa_barricata on September 11, 2014, 11:44:37 AM

Anything that is technically vulnerable will be attacked sooner or later. This is not a 'proof' of Monero validity (as it seems from some comments here that assume: attacked, therefore feared, therefore good). On the contrary, if anything, it is a proof of the system fragility in the current state.

This isn't true, attacks require effort, and the attack that affected Monero could have instead been aimed at any other CryptoNote coin but this did not happen.

In fact the fact that only Monero was attacked proves that you are completely and utterly wrong.

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Quote from: grappa_barricata on September 11, 2014, 11:44:37 AM

Anything that is technically vulnerable will be attacked sooner or later. This is not a 'proof' of Monero validity (as it seems from some comments here that assume: attacked, therefore feared, therefore good). On the contrary, if anything, it is a proof of the system fragility in the current state.

The attacks take effort, and there are a multitude of targets. Choosing one target over others implies some degree of perceived importance to the chosen target.

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Quote from: MaxDZ8 on September 11, 2014, 01:51:07 PM

Quote from: rpietila on September 11, 2014, 12:44:47 PM

So either you have no idea what's happening or you don't speak truthfully. Reader decide.

I openly admit I have no idea what I'm talking about. Because I cannot honestly figure it out. It might not be a problem for you... I would consider it a problem!

With all due respect, sir... your post history clearly reveals that you are a troll. But whatever. To each his own.

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Quote from: MaxDZ8 on September 11, 2014, 01:51:07 PM

Quote from: rpietila on September 11, 2014, 12:44:47 PM

So either you have no idea what's happening or you don't speak truthfully. Reader decide.

I openly admit I have no idea what I'm talking about. Because I cannot honestly figure it out. It might not be a problem for you... I would consider it a problem!

Here's a good read to get you started: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8477489

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Quote from: rpietila on September 11, 2014, 12:44:47 PM

So either you have no idea what's happening or you don't speak truthfully. Reader decide.

I openly admit I have no idea what I'm talking about. Because I cannot honestly figure it out. It might not be a problem for you... I would consider it a problem!

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Quote from: MaxDZ8 on September 11, 2014, 12:27:29 PM

I just want to confirm I believe every day a bit less in XMR.
The noise level is just too high and anyway, the community seems totally immature and weak.

I also have several problems with the whole CN concept at its core but I suppose that's another business.

This looks like a troll post, because every sentence is a little bit wavering, and the profounding developments that Monero is going through at a breathtaking speed every week are twisted to the opposite.

So either you have no idea what's happening or you don't speak truthfully. Reader decide.

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I just want to confirm I believe every day a bit less in XMR.
The noise level is just too high and anyway, the community seems totally immature and weak.

I also have several problems with the whole CN concept at its core but I suppose that's another business.

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Anything that is technically vulnerable will be attacked sooner or later. This is not a 'proof' of Monero validity (as it seems from some comments here that assume: attacked, therefore feared, therefore good). On the contrary, if anything, it is a proof of the system fragility in the current state.

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Quote from: slapper on September 11, 2014, 06:18:29 AM

Quote from: drawingthesun on September 11, 2014, 02:08:00 AM

I'm now at peace with the fact that people will be trying to destroy Monero forever, I can't see the hate ever going away.

There will always be someone who has picked up some cheap fat stack of some coin and they will always do whatever they must to make their coin and voice heard. These people will always attack Monero because Monero sucks legitimate money from the alt coin space, the trolls will always want that legitimate money for themselves.

All I see, is every Monero hater being some cheap coin fat stacker, and now I understand why Monero is under constant attack. Monero is fair, and many people here do not want fair, because fair doesn't allow them to pump their fat stack.

Long live Monero.

Can you drop the "I am a victim, they are jealous of me" koolaid? Next you will say they hate you for your freedoms Roll Eyes

To trace back the decline in the interest of XMR and the now ever rising hatefest, one just needs to see how bad the shilling has been. You were yourself arguing with Evan Duffeld the day of the attack about how superior Monero is to Darkcoin in their own thread. My guess is you will no longer be going to that thread. There are other bad examples like this all over the place.

I am actually afraid people are not taking CN as seriously as they should be (and not Monero) because of this excessiveness.

Decline of interest? I don't see that at all. There seems to me to be an increase in polarization. Market cap does not seem to be suffering.

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Quote from: slapper on September 11, 2014, 06:18:29 AM

Quote from: drawingthesun on September 11, 2014, 02:08:00 AM

I'm now at peace with the fact that people will be trying to destroy Monero forever, I can't see the hate ever going away.

There will always be someone who has picked up some cheap fat stack of some coin and they will always do whatever they must to make their coin and voice heard. These people will always attack Monero because Monero sucks legitimate money from the alt coin space, the trolls will always want that legitimate money for themselves.

All I see, is every Monero hater being some cheap coin fat stacker, and now I understand why Monero is under constant attack. Monero is fair, and many people here do not want fair, because fair doesn't allow them to pump their fat stack.

Long live Monero.

Can you drop the "I am a victim, they are jealous of me" koolaid? Next you will say they hate you for your freedoms Roll Eyes

To trace back the decline in the interest of XMR and the now ever rising hatefest, one just needs to see how bad the shilling has been. You were yourself arguing with Evan Duffeld the day of the attack about how superior Monero is to Darkcoin in their own thread. My guess is you will no longer be going to that thread. There are other bad examples like this all over the place.

I am actually afraid people are not taking CN as seriously as they should be (and not Monero) because of this excessiveness.

People are losing interest? I don't think so.

Also the tech in Monero is still far superior to Darkcoin, a bug doesn't change that. (Unless the bug is permanent and cannot be removed)

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Quote from: drawingthesun on September 11, 2014, 02:08:00 AM

I'm now at peace with the fact that people will be trying to destroy Monero forever, I can't see the hate ever going away.

There will always be someone who has picked up some cheap fat stack of some coin and they will always do whatever they must to make their coin and voice heard. These people will always attack Monero because Monero sucks legitimate money from the alt coin space, the trolls will always want that legitimate money for themselves.

All I see, is every Monero hater being some cheap coin fat stacker, and now I understand why Monero is under constant attack. Monero is fair, and many people here do not want fair, because fair doesn't allow them to pump their fat stack.

Long live Monero.

Can you drop the "I am a victim, they are jealous of me" koolaid? Next you will say they hate you for your freedoms Roll Eyes

To trace back the decline in the interest of XMR and the now ever rising hatefest, one just needs to see how bad the shilling has been. You were yourself arguing with Evan Duffeld the day of the attack about how superior Monero is to Darkcoin in their own thread. My guess is you will no longer be going to that thread. There are other bad examples like this all over the place.

I am actually afraid people are not taking CN as seriously as they should be (and not Monero) because of this excessiveness.

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Quote from: nakaone on September 10, 2014, 10:29:19 AM

is a social contract. it can by definition not have catastrophic design errors, because no one is forced to sign this social contract.

And when the majority do not adopt the social contract, it is a catastrophic failure. It the money doesn't circulate, it isn't a currency, and there is no adoption. See the Quantity Theory of Money.

in my language there is a very gentle distinction between cash or money and currency.

by no modern definition in economics bitcoin or monero is a currency, because certain characteristics of a currency cannot be given by definition in a decentralized system.

what bitcoin or monero basically is, is a payment network with a store of value function - this is probably much closer to the definition of cash or money. gavin andreesen uses the term electronic cash nowadays when he describes bitcoin. also the analogy to gold is much closer than the analogy to currencies.

since we are all vain I shortly come to your defamation regarding my economic skills: you are quite a smart guy who has massive skills and coding and great analytical skills. but this does not hinder you from using a theory in an area of application where it does not fit at all. but you are forgiven: even proper economists often fail to do that correctly. Keynes put it this way: Economics is the science of thinking in terms of models joined to the art of choosing models which are relevant to the contemporary world. Wink

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I'm now at peace with the fact that people will be trying to destroy Monero forever, I can't see the hate ever going away.

There will always be someone who has picked up some cheap fat stack of some coin and they will always do whatever they must to make their coin and voice heard. These people will always attack Monero because Monero sucks legitimate money from the alt coin space, the trolls will always want that legitimate money for themselves.

All I see, is every Monero hater being some cheap coin fat stacker, and now I understand why Monero is under constant attack. Monero is fair, and many people here do not want fair, because fair doesn't allow them to pump their fat stack.

Long live Monero.

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Quote from: aminorex on September 10, 2014, 12:51:39 PM

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What is the source of this hate?

Jealousy is just another face of greed.

There is another reason to contend against the concentration of wealth: The suffering created by poverty. The injustice of extreme wealth divergence is plain, and for many of us, quite painful. When I am in pain, I tend to lash out against the perceived cause. When the pain reflex, the noble and just cause, and the venial jealousy are all aligned to a single focus, it is a powerful force, and difficult to effectively counter. The solution is to factor the problem into its facets, and deal with them each individually on their own terms.

So we can close the thread? there couldn't possible be any other reason any entity would be against [Coin you invested in], aside from simple jealousy. Investigation over, I guess.

Also good to see you have not just succinctly outlined the problem, but, provided a solution, which is to simply "factor the problem into its facets, and deal with them each individually on their own terms." It's a little vague, but seems easy enough on paper. Now we understand both the problem and the solution. Kudos! the community should get started on making us all monero lovers asap.

Roll Eyes

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Quote from: atoni on September 10, 2014, 11:20:30 AM

Out of curiosity, how can a coin be destroyed? Isnt that one of premise of crypto currency that noone can destroy or control your coins?

It is trivial to burn individual coins by sending them to addresses for which no private key is known.

It is possible to destroy a blockchain by corrupting it irremediably, if you can find an exploit in the code base.

It is possible to destroy a currency economy in myriad ways. Many have been proposed in this forum. Others are possible as well, but I am certainly disinclined to publicize any of them.

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