Is it time now to use Premium VPN when playing in the casino?

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Quote from: Mauser on March 04, 2024, 05:12:27 AM

Quote from: Coin_trader on March 02, 2024, 08:28:19 AM

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

Yes, we should be definitely using VPN premium services with a dedicated IP address for us. Relying on free or cheap VPN services that have a changing IP adress every day seems like big risk. It's pretty easy for the casino to realize that the gambler is logging in every day with different IP adresses. This might be fine for a few days, but eventually an alarm will go off for the casino and they might check the account manually. For me the risk would be way too high to have my account locked and all my money frozen for using a VPN that creates some issues. Depending on our monthly gambling bankroll, paying for a VPN service might only make up a small part of our expenses or profits. What is a small monthly fee if in the worst case without it we are losing everything? At the moment I am not using a VPN because I feel like it's not really necessary.

Yeah, Free VPN is worst than having no VPN at all. There’s a lot of confirmed issue like this which a user was connected to an account that belongs to different country just because he use free VPN using different country.

I already update the thread for the answer in this topic. VPN is not necessary if you are genuinely playing using 1 account because casino based their accusations through patterns on the account activity.

I will lock now this thread for real. Tongue

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Quote from: Coin_trader on March 02, 2024, 08:28:19 AM

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

Yes, we should be definitely using VPN premium services with a dedicated IP address for us. Relying on free or cheap VPN services that have a changing IP adress every day seems like big risk. It's pretty easy for the casino to realize that the gambler is logging in every day with different IP adresses. This might be fine for a few days, but eventually an alarm will go off for the casino and they might check the account manually. For me the risk would be way too high to have my account locked and all my money frozen for using a VPN that creates some issues. Depending on our monthly gambling bankroll, paying for a VPN service might only make up a small part of our expenses or profits. What is a small monthly fee if in the worst case without it we are losing everything? At the moment I am not using a VPN because I feel like it's not really necessary.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 04, 2024, 03:43:52 AM

Quote from: Strongkored on March 04, 2024, 03:34:43 AM

I use Premium VPN but only for casinos that are friendly with VPN use and also use this VPN only to bypass blocking from the provider, not because I want to cheat and so on, and it seems that using VPN nowadays for gambling is a normal thing, and if there is any players who are having problems using a VPN are very likely because there is something else suspicious that causes the casino to ban the account.
It seems impossible for the casino to ban just because of using a VPN.
However, for players who really prefer to use a VPN, they should first check the terms and conditions of the casino regarding VPN If it turns out that it is not allowed, it would be better not to force yourself to keep playing there because there are quite a lot of online casinos nowadays and can be used as an option by checking first.

Reading the terms of our favorite casino is the first step, since there are some casinos that are friendly towards that practice as long as you are not abusing their bonuses or other offers, however there are casinos that are not friendly towards the use of a VPN and anyone doing so is taking a massive risk, as if they were to win big there, their profits could go unpaid, and even if we may consider such policy unfair, ultimately each casino can enforce any policies they may like.

What is the point of using a VPN? If a casino platform is not available for your country just let it slide. There are so many other casinos with better features and good bonuses. I don't like the fact people has to use VPN to access someone site it is against the terms and condition. And the gambler will be at risk because if he has deposited so many funds over there, he may lose them all if the casino company found out that he has been using VPN to access the site.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 04, 2024, 03:43:52 AM

Quote from: Strongkored on March 04, 2024, 03:34:43 AM

I use Premium VPN but only for casinos that are friendly with VPN use and also use this VPN only to bypass blocking from the provider, not because I want to cheat and so on, and it seems that using VPN nowadays for gambling is a normal thing, and if there is any players who are having problems using a VPN are very likely because there is something else suspicious that causes the casino to ban the account.
It seems impossible for the casino to ban just because of using a VPN.
However, for players who really prefer to use a VPN, they should first check the terms and conditions of the casino regarding VPN If it turns out that it is not allowed, it would be better not to force yourself to keep playing there because there are quite a lot of online casinos nowadays and can be used as an option by checking first.

Reading the terms of our favorite casino is the first step, since there are some casinos that are friendly towards that practice as long as you are not abusing their bonuses or other offers, however there are casinos that are not friendly towards the use of a VPN and anyone doing so is taking a massive risk, as if they were to win big there, their profits could go unpaid, and even if we may consider such policy unfair, ultimately each casino can enforce any policies they may like.

The terms say it all; you read them, and you'll know if they are allowed or not. I don't know what "friendly" specifically means, as that is indefinite, so it's possible they are friendly at the beginning but then later decide not to be friendly? There should be a real specification in the TOS as that is our basis when applying something different on a gambling site, like using a VPN service, and it's either it's a go or no.

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Quote from: Strongkored on March 04, 2024, 03:34:43 AM

I use Premium VPN but only for casinos that are friendly with VPN use and also use this VPN only to bypass blocking from the provider, not because I want to cheat and so on, and it seems that using VPN nowadays for gambling is a normal thing, and if there is any players who are having problems using a VPN are very likely because there is something else suspicious that causes the casino to ban the account.
It seems impossible for the casino to ban just because of using a VPN.
However, for players who really prefer to use a VPN, they should first check the terms and conditions of the casino regarding VPN If it turns out that it is not allowed, it would be better not to force yourself to keep playing there because there are quite a lot of online casinos nowadays and can be used as an option by checking first.

Reading the terms of our favorite casino is the first step, since there are some casinos that are friendly towards that practice as long as you are not abusing their bonuses or other offers, however there are casinos that are not friendly towards the use of a VPN and anyone doing so is taking a massive risk, as if they were to win big there, their profits could go unpaid, and even if we may consider such policy unfair, ultimately each casino can enforce any policies they may like.

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I use Premium VPN but only for casinos that are friendly with VPN use and also use this VPN only to bypass blocking from the provider, not because I want to cheat and so on, and it seems that using VPN nowadays for gambling is a normal thing, and if there is any players who are having problems using a VPN are very likely because there is something else suspicious that causes the casino to ban the account.
It seems impossible for the casino to ban just because of using a VPN.
However, for players who really prefer to use a VPN, they should first check the terms and conditions of the casino regarding VPN If it turns out that it is not allowed, it would be better not to force yourself to keep playing there because there are quite a lot of online casinos nowadays and can be used as an option by checking first.

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Quote from: SirJohnVonSlotty on March 03, 2024, 12:51:25 PM

It's in no ones interest to ban legit players who contribute to the business, but it also depends on what you guys are doing.

If you're just playing with your own routines, credit cards and games, everything will be done in the background regarding checks, the matrix will not flag you since it can see that you're from the same city/street/household, no one will get into trouble. Imagine people gaming from a hotel room or a resort, they are all on the same IP, but the matrix isn't triggered because it sees different account details, gameplay patterns and funding sources. I also used to play online poker with newly registered friends in the same room and operators wouldn't mind it since the reg data was legit.

So if you're not doing anything shady, don't worry about the same IP, friends connecting and playing on the same wi-fi and so on.

However, if you're both registering at the same time and trying to abuse the betting or bonus mechanic from the same IP, and additionally using store bought debit cards or random crypto wallets, then yes, you'll get banned.

Thank you very much again for your help. Now this clarify the confusion on this matter. The recent issue with same reason of problem makes me feel conscious about IP sharing. But I guess most of this user is indeed hiding something with their statement.

I will update the OP and include your answer to help other user cleard doubt about this sensitive topic that recently arise in the forum even though this already an old issue before.

I want to thanks everyone that share their insights. I hope everyone learn something here from @sirjonvonslotty(the real gem in gambling board secrion).

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Quote from: Zlantann on March 02, 2024, 01:50:34 PM

The proper step is to read the terms of service of the casino if the use of a VPN is accepted. If you don't understand some parts of the document and need clarification, you could seek more information from the support service. The easiest way to avoid all this multiple accounts drama due to the use of the same Internet Protocol (IP) address is to use your internet connections alone. If you are an active gambler you have to use your phone or internet connection alone to avoid this problem. I am not a fan of sharing WIFI with friends due to security concerns. Your friends should use their own connections to avoid this long process.

Yes, reading the terms of services is a must so we knows what the casino rule and that can helps us not breaks intentionally or unintentionally. We can knows what we needs to do when playing gambling and not trying to breaks any rules from the casino because that can makes us getting a problem. A gambler doesn't have to create many accounts just to play on the same casino because that can risks himself from abusing the rules of the casino. Besides that, playing gambling is just for fun and not makes money so with having one account can makes us feel safe when playing gambling and can enjoy the gambling itself. I never share my WIFI with friends, especially from my smartphone due to security.

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Any actions from a person to bypass casinos rules & regulation, will eventually get flagged.. and in most cases this happens when you win a large amount and you want to cash out. The casino will first check if there are any reason not to pay out the claim, because they allow the withdrawal and if they pick up any VPN use, they might block the withdrawal and the account.

I will advise against using any VPN when it comes to casinos.... and remember many of these casinos are using the same providers and if you are blocked on one provider.. then it will be blocked on all other casinos where that provider is used. Tongue

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It's in no ones interest to ban legit players who contribute to the business, but it also depends on what you guys are doing.

If you're just playing with your own routines, credit cards and games, everything will be done in the background regarding checks, the matrix will not flag you since it can see that you're from the same city/street/household, no one will get into trouble. Imagine people gaming from a hotel room or a resort, they are all on the same IP, but the matrix isn't triggered because it sees different account details, gameplay patterns and funding sources. I also used to play online poker with newly registered friends in the same room and operators wouldn't mind it since the reg data was legit.

So if you're not doing anything shady, don't worry about the same IP, friends connecting and playing on the same wi-fi and so on.

However, if you're both registering at the same time and trying to abuse the betting or bonus mechanic from the same IP, and additionally using store bought debit cards or random crypto wallets, then yes, you'll get banned.

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Quote from: SirJohnVonSlotty on March 03, 2024, 08:20:42 AM

Did I help you with your research and do you need any further guidance or info?

Just asking because I'm getting frustrated by all the random replies that are there just to bump up their gambling post count, it's just random jibberish at this point, and if your question was answered I would love to see this thread locked.

Sorry if I overlooked your post due to tons of reply that flooded it already including my notification bot. Your insights is very helpful to determine what’s the actual happening in the casinomin regards with determining the VPN use and how it impacts based on the license type of the casino.

One follow up question before I wrapped this thread since all this topic started due to the recent issue about multiple account. Assuming that the user is honestly share an IP to an account from family member or visiting friend, does casino automatically consider it as multiple account already or they are still doing some investigation such as gambling pattern and so on to establish the connection.

This is one of main concern since I have friends that use same casino(I refer to them) while we always hang out on our house or other friends while we connect on same wifi.

Lastly, Does casino record IP if connect to someone wifi while my account is still logged in on my browser even though I’m not playing?

PS: I don’t have merit now so I owe you some once I got smerit.

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sometimes I use a VPN just to be able to access slot providers, sometimes when I access using a crypto gambling site it seems like it is rejected or can't be accessed because suddenly the DNS changes automatically so I sometimes use VPN only for certain things, not to cross country boundaries.
IMO, the problem that occurred to the person in the thread seems to be an unintentional mistake because it uses the same IP, but each gambling platform has different regulations and in my opinion, if you use a premium VPN only for something that doesn't violate the ToS, it doesn't seem like it there are problems but it is highly recommended to continue using premium VPN so you can get an IP in the same country as you say.

maybe this is the reason I choose to use a private network from my own phone which is safer and less risky in terms of IP or whatever and every time a friend or family member asks to share a network connection from my cellphone, I usually refuse for the security of my own IP and never use the wifi network as long as I am anywhere.

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Quote from: Wakhid Mukti on March 02, 2024, 11:56:04 PM

What I know is that using a VPN is very risky in gambling. Especially if the gambling site has rules that prohibit the use of VPN.

Why would anyone try to use a VPN if it's against the TOS of a casino? That's suicide, and it just lets them trigger the freezing of funds. Most casinos probably allow using VPN, but if a user uses VPN to bypass any restriction, then it's a violation of the TOS, and the account will be dealt with accordingly.

Quote from: Wakhid Mukti on March 02, 2024, 11:56:04 PM

In the long term, VPN use will still be detected and can cause several problems with your account. It's better to avoid and try other sites to be safer and more comfortable

Right there and then, they will know if you are using a VPN because it will change your location from your original one when you registered it without a VPN. However, they could delay the action of such a violation, and you'll just be surprised when your account is compromised, thinking what you are doing is acceptable but actually it's not.

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Did I help you with your research and do you need any further guidance or info?

Just asking because I'm getting frustrated by all the random replies that are there just to bump up their gambling post count, it's just random jibberish at this point, and if your question was answered I would love to see this thread locked.

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Quote from: Fortify on March 03, 2024, 05:03:05 AM

This sounds like a bit of a marketing ploy to advertise a VPN service, but it's quite possibly a genuine question.

It’s a genuine question. Sorry if it’s sounds like I’m advertising. I just want to know if someone here using the same VPN. Cheesy

Quote from: Fortify on March 03, 2024, 05:03:05 AM

You run numerous risks when using a VPN that could set you up for disaster down the line. Many casinos and sportbooks will allow it, because crypto is still a bit of a wild west when it comes to regulation and countries like the US/UK have strict laws on gambling but can also be some of the most profitable markets. However at some point you will need to share your identity documents, which may raise questions if you have given a false country at signup and are using a VPN to appear from that country. In theory as well, the VPN provider may be vulnerable to man in the middle type attacks, depending on the setup, which could leave your account vulnerable.

I specifically mention premium VPN so that user can choose IP freely to the country where they truly live. Also premium VPN has a dedicated IP feature that you can use to assure that you will only using unique IP even at home. Your concern about possible vulnerabilities on the VPN side is very possible to happened and good point on this discussion.

Quote from: bitbollo on March 03, 2024, 05:05:20 AM

Do casinos accept the possibility of playing with a VPN in their ToS?
Couldn't they see this move as an attempt to defraud in some way?

Most of the casino doesn’t care about VPN as long as you will use an IP that same with your country or any country which will doesn’t hide your location assuming that you are from restricted country. As long as you don’t bypass country restrictions some casino allows it. They even suggest using it for claiming free spin of pragmatic slot providers in case I can’t access it through regular IP.

Quote from: bitbollo on March 03, 2024, 05:05:20 AM

I won't go into the specific details of 2 topics in OP but you must always know all the details and if two people in the same house use the same gambling service it is very likely that they will be reported as "fraud" by their internal systems.

This is the specific issue that I’m scared that’s why I created this thread. Casino doesn’t do further investigation once there’s already an IP connection on two or more account regardless if it’s from family or visiting friend.

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Do casinos accept the possibility of playing with a VPN in their ToS?
Couldn't they see this move as an attempt to defraud in some way?

I won't go into the specific details of 2 topics in OP but you must always know all the details and if two people in the same house use the same gambling service it is very likely that they will be reported as "fraud" by their internal systems.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on March 02, 2024, 08:28:19 AM

Recently I saw 2 case that related to violation of multiple account terms of the casino. This incident happened on different casino which means it’s already the standard in many casino. Assuming that they are honest that the other account is from friend or family member, there’s no way to defend this to the casino since they view it as general multiple account violation.

Also, if you have friends that regularly hanging out to your house and play the same casino which you referred to them. There’s always a chance that you will share an IP if they connect to your Wifi.

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

This sounds like a bit of a marketing ploy to advertise a VPN service, but it's quite possibly a genuine question. You run numerous risks when using a VPN that could set you up for disaster down the line. Many casinos and sportbooks will allow it, because crypto is still a bit of a wild west when it comes to regulation and countries like the US/UK have strict laws on gambling but can also be some of the most profitable markets. However at some point you will need to share your identity documents, which may raise questions if you have given a false country at signup and are using a VPN to appear from that country. In theory as well, the VPN provider may be vulnerable to man in the middle type attacks, depending on the setup, which could leave your account vulnerable.

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Quote from: STT on March 02, 2024, 07:59:52 PM

Its not advisable with any large quantity of crypto to use a VPN as you are possibly in a bad area when trying to claim winnings. If you are using large amounts when betting then clarifying which route is allowed seems best before risking being caught up in terms and conditions of usage. Seems a bad risk to take the double gamble if you can avoid any additional complications or use recommended path to login, a different web address or alternate site is the ideal way to go ahead with fair usage.

Reading the terms and conditions of casinos before gambling should be the first thing that comes to our mind, I know how difficult it will be at first stands, but we ensure we keep tracks of our steps in the system. We're advance in the system and anything we do, we ensure we're always on the winning side and hoping for greater heights to hits in the system. Playing casinos does require VPN in some part of the world? Well I've no idea VPN is needed to play casino because I'm playing here with my normal cellular network, by the way, what's the need of gambling with VPN except your country doesn't support gambling on casino right?

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some casinos do not allow their users to play using vpn for reasons to avoid multiple accounts. if gamblers know these restrictions, it means that it is quite risky for them to play using a vpn even when they don't intend to create multiple accounts or anything that violates casino rules.

so it's best, if possible, never use a vpn when playing to avoid problems in the future, because the casino could use this as an excuse to avoid paying you the reward. even if you want to play at an online casino, try to find a casino that is not blocked in your country and just play, it should be much better than playing using a vpn.

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Before using a VPN in a casino, read the casino's terms and conditions carefully. If the casino doesn't allow you to use a VPN then you can never use a premium VPN as it will be against their rules and they may close your account. These are commonly used by country. In countries where casino games are illegal playing using a VPN is not a problem. Gambling with a VPN is not illegal. By using a VPN to access gambling sites you are only protecting your online casino from being tracked and ensuring that your personal information is kept safe. The platform will only receive information about the VPN server you are connected to.

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