Topic: Is it time now to use Premium VPN when playing in the casino? - page 2. (Read 410 times)

Since you gamble together with your friend for sure he know the rule of the casino if he's regularly playing so much better if he have his own network connection so that there's no using of same IP will happen. Since this will became so bad if both of you will got caught sharing the same IP and the casino will think about that you are cheating their system. But also in the case that one of your family member gamble to maybe just tell her/him that you should register on other platform to avoid getting any similar issues since we know how casino so tight regarding on multiple account usage on their casino. Sometimes its bit hassle but for account security and for not getting any stress for some doubts upon using VPN or other things much better we should adjust on the system they want to implement.

OP, do you always share wifi with friends at all time? If you are not doing so at all times, there is no way you will be having same IP with your friends all the time and the casino administrators are smart enough to always monitor the changes in IP and their are obviously other things they must consider before they link two accounts as one. If you observe any activity as what will make your account to be link to your friends or brothers, what should do is no avoid engaging in such activities at all time. You already mentioned sharing of WiFi which I you might not want to share same network at all times.  Before you start to use a premium VPN, ensure that the casino permits it in their casino terms and policy.

Sometimes I also wonder if other casinos also know that it is possible that in a home all the people are gambling on a casino platform via online. Of course, on the part of a gambler, it seems unfair. A house should have multiple internet providers, right?

So if we gamble, and that's how we know that online casinos don't want to have an account with more than one IP address, different data connections should be used, and mobile devices should also be used for different IP addresses, not wifi connections.

What I know is that using a VPN is very risky in gambling. Especially if the gambling site has rules that prohibit the use of VPN. In the long term, VPN use will still be detected and can cause several problems with your account. It's better to avoid and try other sites to be safer and more comfortable

I do not see how using VPN will solve the issues you referenced because I believe the casinos must have noticed things that broke their rules even though I cannot guarantee the reputation of the casinos, I mean if they are not intentionally doing this to deny them their funds. If it is not issue with the reputation of the casinos, I thing VPN is not really the issue as the casinos would have had solid evidence of violations of TOS that made them take the strong decision they took. Unless I'm wrong, I think that using VPN might just complicate things for gamblers because most casinos might regard it as outright violations.

Its not advisable with any large quantity of crypto to use a VPN as you are possibly in a bad area when trying to claim winnings.  If you are using large amounts when betting then clarifying which route is allowed seems best before risking being caught up in terms and conditions of usage. Seems a bad risk to take the double gamble if you can avoid any additional complications or use recommended path to login, a different web address or alternate site is the ideal way to go ahead with fair usage.

I believe the OP is a regular gambler as he has other referrals (friends) also that are into gambling. So yeah, I believe he needs it to make sure that he won't be in trouble to the site. Other than KYC protocols, the site can always validate the player's claim by checking his activities on the site. How deposit bonuses is being used is just the tip of the iceberg if the player will abuse the multi-accounting facet in gaming.

So a premium VPN with a dedicated IP is like having your personal online identity right? It's a way to make sure you and your friends using the same casino don't accidentally trigger alarms for multiple accounts from one IP. It's kind of like having your own VIP entrance to the online casino world, avoiding any hassle or confusion that might arise from sharing the same virtual space with your buddiesso I think it may great to hve one

Yes, KYC can help people to know not to have more than one accounts. But know that VPN is not only used for gambling, it can be used for many other reasons, especially for people which are crypto users that like privacy. There are other sites that you may also want to access that you do not want to use your IP address for it. There is a good VPN that can also be used without ads, I have used the free version of proton VPN and no ads, although it is a paid VPN.

Really though on most countries you don't need a VPN to access online casinos. They mostly work with just changing the DNS. Most countries don't have further enforcement against online casinos so the extra privacy of a VPN is not that needed.

Also be wary of these "premium" personal IP services as they are often scams. Or at the very least misleading. You should be careful in which casino you play at though, if they are not friendly to a VPN and you need a VPN in your country and might as well not okay at these casinos. Go to casinos that don't care about KYC and VPNs instead.

In response to the op, I think this only applies to those who hold gambling to a high value, not for once in a while gamblers like myself and some other persons.
But normally, I think the question should be whether it's worth it, if some one has absolutely no other thing to do with the premium VPN aside gambling, then to me, I don't think it's worth it, spending on VPN monthly solely for the purpose of gambling looks like a wastage of resources to me, except like I said before, the person holds gambling to a high value like; he or she depends on gambling as a means of income and so on - anything outside of this, I don't think it's worth it.

What I did do myself to avoid such issues is to be very careful so as not to allow people connect to my hotspot for the purpose of playing on the same casino where I play, if a friend runs out of internet data and needs my help, I will rather gift him or her some of my internet data than allow or turn on my hotspot for them, except the friend is playing on a different casino, or doing something else entirely.

The proper step is to read the terms of service of the casino if the use of a VPN  is accepted. If you don't understand some parts of the document and need clarification, you could seek more information from the support service. The easiest way to avoid all this multiple accounts drama due to the use of the same Internet Protocol (IP) address is to use your internet connections alone. If you are an active gambler you have to use your phone or internet connection alone to avoid this problem. I am not a fan of sharing WIFI with friends due to security concerns. Your friends should use their own connections to avoid this long process.

with just a few BTC in our account, you still going to be at risk if you have another account if they check your account all of a sudden randomly.
casinos are smart enough to conclude why a user does have a 2nd account, of course, they will analyze what it is for and they know that already. and then they register an IP address to each account, and seeing people using VPN, will alarm them.

casinos are doing KYC, it would be crazy to see your documents say you are from Thailand, and then your log is saying Germany.

Ofc, I'm gonna speak plainly.

If you're on an unlicensed or curacao licensed brand (or equivalent), as long as you're not activating the money laundering matrix (e.g. depositing large amounts from different credit cards) and as long as you're playing in the casinos favor, no one is going to do anything. However, as soon as the first big win hits, and you want to get money out of the casino, they will trigger KYC, and if you registered with a German IP, but your documents are from Netherlands, they will just refund you the funds that you've placed on that winning bet (just the winning bet, not everything historically that you've lost, they will gladly take that), and then close your account. Remember, casinos are here for entertainment, not for giving out money to every player. If the business model would be to give out every anon player $100 + a kiss on the forehead, they would quickly go bankrupt. The business model is to entertain you, and charge you for that.

If you're on an MGA licensed brand, you will not get close to serious deposits without KYC, and they have methods of knowing if you're using a VPN or not. There's a bulk list (and several providers for them) that show which IP addresses common VPN's use, and you can be triggered as a VPN user easily. It costs money and resources, so usually only larger operations have this. The main reason that they have it is because they want to comply with the various governements as much as possible so that when they open up to other operators (like Netherlands just did) the government will check their books, see that they never operated illegally on their market, and grant them a license there.

So, just a recap:
#1. The operator has ways of knowing if you're on a VPN or not
#2. Depending on the license and legality of their business, they might keep you unverified if you're lucrative to the business. Again, casinos are here for entertainment, with just a handful of winners.
#3. As soon as you're asking for withdrawals, they can figure you out through a KYC, close your account and refer any questions to the TOS.
#4. If you're, let us say, from Germany, using a German VPN IP, and playing on a German online casino, usually nothing will happen even if they KYC you.


Last week I was traveling around London and entered a few steak houses just to see slot machines and people fighting for "who's gonna go next", one poor fella spent a good 30 mins and god knows how much money, with a theory "the machine is going to "give" soon". And I'm like, no, that would be stupid. The machine is here to entertain you and give you that thrill, but it just doesn't make sense for the business if the machine gives out a jackpot everyday. Sure it's gonna give it at one point, but let's assume that that's not gonna be you at that moment - that's the only healthy way on how to enjoy these things, everything else is delusional.


We do, but it's rare. You can see that it's not the same user, different credit card, different playing patterns etc + you can KYC them and see different documents. However, since most people are usually losing, they don't share that with others. Those few that sometimes win or play some games competitively, they do tend to have family members, but it's really rare.  

It's very strange that casinos don't allow multiple accounts from one IP because I think there will be many cases when two family members gamble and because of this restriction, they probably have to choose different casinos and because of that, some casinos might lose a good, loyal customers.
I think it's a good idea to have a look at this thread if you want to choose a VPN service provider: List of VPN Service Providers - 2024.
When purchasing a VPN, one has to choose VPN with dedicated IP. The advantage of dedicated IP is that it won't be blacklisted and no one else will be use that IP but disadvantage is that you are sacrificing your privacy (information will still be hidden from your ISP).
P.S. If you choose a VPN with dedicated IP, be sure that your exact location and bought IP's location match each other because it's a violation of rules if you try to use a VPN to bypass location restriction, keep that in mind.

I don't use vpn when gambling because the sites I gamble on can be run on my local area network without vpn. But when some sites are down, I use free vpn just to access the sites.  And since I don't use big amounts in gambling, I don't have much risk. I don't care about the amount I deposit into gambling sites. so never thought that account lock or suspension can be a problem for me. but if someone worried for his deposit or worried about safety then he/she can use premium vpn. I don't know if using a premium vpn can make any difference in terms of security because if you have to kyc you can never stay anonymous.

If you're complying and not wanting a banned account then it's a good idea for you to start using that, definitely would help you more and it's hassle free compared to risking not using a VPN and your friends are playing in your home connected to the same IP and then getting banned over this stupid clause in a lot of casinos' terms and conditions and then having to prove your innocence, that you've never done any multi accounting scheme and that it's really your friend's account that's just connected your WiFi.

To be honest, when it comes to casino, I find some of their applied terms and conditions are stupid or if it was implemented in real life are just too crazy if not too strict? Ain't no way everyone's going to follow that crazy stuff and some of them are just outright ridiculous, like this one, wouldn't that be an advantage for the gambling sites that someone's got a multiple account because that can only mean that they're going to see more money squeezed out of someone, they could've just focused on protecting the machines or programs that are running these schemes instead of doing a scorched earth policy of banning them for such a minor offense.

When it comes to this manner then im not really that someone who do mind much about multi-accounting yet the sites or platforms that i've been dealing with
arent that too strict when it comes to multi account or VPN and it would really be just that a common approach that casinos would really be that  just strict
when it comes to multi account specially if its been used on having those kind of possible abuse. If ever there would really be some second long in
then i dont believe much that they would immediately having those bans or block due to the said condition. When it comes to VPN then it would really be that
just that depending into their terms and conditions and its up to them whether they would really be that too strict into this one or not.

Most of the casino will allow us to use VPN, but usually they will not mention it on their terms nor provide a clear answer when we asks about it to their support.
Also we must be ready for the KYC anytime because our account will be marked as a multi account if other people ever used the same IP/VPN on that casino.
Even using a premium VPN will not guarantee that the IP is clean, there is still a chance that anyone ever used the IP to register on that casino.
But, the premium VPN is always the best choice if we really cannot use the original IP due to some reasons.

Regarding the case you mentioned above: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63746846
Any casino will not allow their user to have more than 1 account, but confiscated all of the funds while the other account is an empty account (never depo, play and wd) is a bit too harsh.
Some casinos will review its case by case, not just confiscated the funds and closed the account like that.
However, we havent heard the story from the casino side yet. Its too early to judge who is wrong or right.

Is this also happening to a casinos with KYC? I’m wondering the purpose of KYC if they will still think that you have multiple accounts. If you are going to use VPN make sure you don’t spend much money on that because its prohibited in many casinos and if they caught you they can easily freeze your account which is for me, more risky. Better to have your own personal internet connection or just use your data for your gambling activities, by doing this at least you lessen the risk of being tagged as multi account.