Topic: Is it time now to use Premium VPN when playing in the casino? - page 3. (Read 505 times)

I agree with your statement.

When money is involved in a certain act, you must be extremely careful with everything that you do. You must also secure that what you are doing is genuinely acceptable within the terms prescribed on the gambling's TOS. Even if a VPN can be argued as "safe", there is nothing that can guarantee this given that casinos have the authority to withhold your funds if they feel like you have violated any of their terms even if it is somehow vague and prejudicial against you.

On the cases that OP provided, I have a feeling that the person who got banned from using two (2) accounts on the same IP address has a strong case against Stake. I feel like they have been automatically flagged, thereby having an automated banned from their account.

Well, you can do this way to have a dedicated IP address through IP to access the casino but we always make mistakes. Like sometime you may connect the site while VPN is connected ?

I think casinos ware intelligent to determine if you are using one account or multiple accounts. Even if your friends come to your home and connect your WIFI to connect to the casino, but they must be using their own devices (mobiles) to connect to the casino site. The sites are intelligent enough to determine your devices too and browsers etc and they won't link the two accounts. Yes, in case of your brothers or sisters having accounts on the same gambling site, this may cause problems and you need to carefully select the VPN with dedicated IP address in order to be safe. Or maybe someone may have other solutions too 

Using your home Wi-Fi for these gatherings can be a gamble in itself. Sharing your network with everyone is like leaving your chips unguarded – anyone can walk away with your info!

VPNs seem like the ultimate solution, right? They're like secret tunnels to access any gambling site, no matter where you are. But here's the catch: free VPNs are like those shady backroom casinos – unreliable and full of limitations. Premium ones offer more options, but they cost extra, and some online gambling dens frown upon them altogether.

The bottom line is, there's no magic bullet. You gotta weigh the risks and play it safe. Secure connections are key, but remember, some casinos have their own rules about how you connect. Break them, and you might be out of the game for good.

The essence of people using is to prevent identification of locations, so we have to understand that vpn is the kind of location charger because  i see that it's why many people do use a vpn so that nobody will identify their own root, as I said before that what is really necessary is because you have hide your environment so that people or particular websites will not understand your area, another thing in question is that anyone who uses a vpn in casino gambling websites have a multiple account and that is why it uses vpn so the team of that site will not know that it has a different account with them, or their country is restricted using that site and only way it can use the site is through vpn.

Is there a reason you wouldn't rather buy another mobile phone subscription that comes with the internet and you get new ip with that? Even vpn services probably rotate those dedicated IPs when subscription is done, and you might get one that was previously used for that casino. It's a small change but try to explain that, if there's a strict no-VPN rule. I wouldn't take any changes. AT least in here, another internet subscription that comes with new ip, is almost cheap if not cheaper then any premium VPN.

I avoid using wifi, but i admit it's a problem. It might even connect automatically and you don't even realize you are using it instead of your own ip from phone for example.

 

I have never heard of this happening. Do you have an example of when a casino did that?

Okay. I read these sentences and I am confused too.

As far as I know, casinos are clear on VPNs being used to bypass geographic restrictions I don't know if it still applies in your case.

SirJohnVonSlotty who is an expert here should help clarify this.

Before you used VPN, you should ask the casino about using VPN in their casino because some casinos will not allow and will not tolerate if their members using VPN. If casino allow, you can used VPN to playing gambling. If you used VPN Premium, I guess that will be no problem as long as your country listed on that VPN so you can use it to connected to the casino to avoid the same connection with the other people who uses the same casino. But you needs to make sure that it's not break the rules of the casino itself.

When casino rules prohibit people from manipulating geographic location using VPN, they are being clear that it doesn't matter if the person lives in a country that is on the list of countries allowed by the casino and that person is using an IP from another country that is also is on the list of allowed countries, the fact is that in the document that the person handed in at the casino it says that the person lives in country x and on street z, when the person uses an IP from country y, then that person is already breaking the main part of the tos that says all customers must provide truthful information, the person must provide truthful information must not hide or manipulate any information

Therefore, if the casino catches you using an IP from a country that is not the same country that is registered with the casino, then the casino has the right to ask you to provide a document proving the address of the country in which you are using the IP and in that This is when the person puts themselves in a very difficult position because as they were using a German VPN while living in France, for example, they will not be able to provide proof of Germany address, and the casino has the right to block the person's account with the funds. That's why I always advise people not to use VPN in casinos

There are some sites that are so advanced that even if my friend registers at the same casino using the same IP at my house, he will definitely fail and will find an error that the IP is already in use, so it happens that the IP on my home internet is the only one I use, after all not It's also good if the internet IP at our house is used by many other gambling friends, it's best for them to use their own internet with their own IP so that it doesn't create a mess with our account in the end.

I never use a VPN if it's not necessary, usually I use it if I'm really far from home and I have to withdraw money or just play for a while for fun, I don't use a premium VPN, I usually use a free VPN, even though I know it's not safe but I only use it in small casinos where I only put less money there so I use that, except for the main gambling site that I play on, I never use VPN, only play at home using the internet at home, never go outside, let alone give my gambling friends a chance to play. together at home. Looking at the cases above, we often come across them, so it's not strange to see similar cases. Back again to each other's views on using premium VPN.   

Casinos has sophisticated tools in their interface to trace all their users, I'm not a casino operator but if other platform can trace your coordinates or exact locations much more on casino platforms, casinos are fully aware of manipulation, cheats and hacks trying to commit by players so they have all the tools to trace this because if they do not have this so many casinos will lose through exploit.

The decision to use VPN at your own decision is risky, you have to first ask the casino to check their terms and weigh in between the risk of using and not using, this is where the advice of only play in a reputable casino comes in, if you're playing in a reputable casino any issues that may arise from multi accounting the reputable casino they can properly address it and they are willing to undergo arbitration we have seen casinos willing to undergo third party arbitration through Askgambler or CasinoGuru to prove their point, because they have reputation to protect, scam casinos will not go arbitration.

That would be a last resort solution,kinda like Gateway of Last Resort in Networking devices and should only be used when you have absolutely no other choice.I think that the casinos have quite a lot of scripts in place that monitor your gambling behavior,operating system,browser and system specifics like Ram,GPU and processor,chances are really slim that someone with the same range of IP-s when using dynamic IP-s to have the same characteristics of your PC,laptop,tablet or any other device you may be using to access your favorite casino.So I am totally against VPN usage as long as reputable casinos have these scripts in place.

The problem is, they don't allow VPN and I think it will not be the solution to that problem.

Well, there's the use of data. Tell them to use their own mobile data or hotspot it to their own laptops if they want but do not connect to your own WIFI if they will gamble.
I only have one account on Stake.com because I know it could be a problem later on if ever I create another account just for gambling purposes. I don't use VPN too so I cannot comment about that.
But since it's written in terms of the service of Stake.com, let's try our best to abide by it. Let us not give trouble to ourselves and check out who the people connecting that are using the same gambling site. Even if we put this in case, we cannot win. First of all, it was already written and before we played we accepted those terms.
Those two guys you linked here will probably not win it if ever there comes a time this will go the court. So OP, I would not recommend any VPN usage.

For security reasons, if you are hanging out with friends and gambling using a cellphone, it's a good idea to use a cellphone signal and not use WiFi so that you and your friends don't have the same IP.

Using a VPN is also not a good solution because some casinos are not VPN friendly. But I always use VPN when gambling because my country blocks access to many gambling sites so I have to use VPN. So it is better if you do not use a VPN if your country does not block access to gambling sites

If you did nothing with your 2nd account, I think the casino will not mind about it. No violation like the 2 accounts exploited some bonuses, there is nothing to worry about.

But using VPN may instead result in something else as these casinos can change policies about using VPNs. It may only be the reason why your account gets blocked. However, if you did something and you are yet not blocked, the casino hasn't looked into your account yet until probably you win a jackpot which they will discover something.

Casino doesn't consider an user as abuser with multiple accounts if some people use the same public ISP to place bets. They take serious steps after doing a deeper investigation, the anti-fraud system isn't that simple. Casino also observe the betting pattern, device fingerprinting, wallet address connections, etc. Most of the casino doesn’t consider the usage of VPN normally, no matter whether it is premium or shared VPN.

The anti-fraud system of a casino will keep you and your friend account to the suspicious list if both of you have same betting pattern always. It looks like the same thing has happened in those two cases which you have pointed in the main post. They were using the same ISP, which has added another piece of evidence of account connection.

I wouldn't do that; some gambling sites are also strict with using VPN as that would not reveal our correct location. With the advent of KYC nowadays, the implementation is already strict, and they want us to provide our real location while we are gambling. Using a VPN may only put our account in trouble, or scammer gambling sites may use it against us and claim that we have violated the Terms of Service.

If the problem is only because you might have a friend gambling on the same casino or gambling site that might use your IP, then you should restrict your IP for your own usage only. You can avail a static IP from your ISP and make it strictly for your personal transactions, particularly in gambling.

It's a case-to-case basis you may protect yourself from multiple accounts but you could also be violating the casinos' rules of not using a VPN unless you contact their support first or they stipulate on their terms that they don't allow the use of VPN, allegations of multi-accounting has been one of the top reason why casinos reject a user's withdrawal especially if it involves a huge amount, a reputable casino will allow themselves to go to arbitration to defend their decision, so if you think that a user is an innocence then both parties should undergo an arbitration proceeding.
If the casino cannot defend its allegation it will deny that request but if it's a reputable casino they are more willing to back up its allegation.

So to prevent this be sure you do not share your wifi with someone who could be playing in a casino without you knowing it, some players are not aware that they have someone in their household who's playing the same casino as yours.

There's a risk of getting flagged for having multiple accounts sharing the same IP address. However, I think that risk may be higher if you have significant winnings. I don't know exactly how their mechanisms work, but it's likely not an automatic process, and they would conduct an investigation. Nevertheless, taking preventive measures is advisable. If you see it as a risk, finding an alternative solution like not letting your friends use your network or subscribing to a VPN, as you mentioned, is a good idea.

Based on my experience, I used to gamble regularly in our office, and my office mates did the same. I never experienced any problems with multiple accounts issues, probably because at that time, the rules were not strictly enforced yet. This was about 5 years ago.

Some people who are very active in using the internet prefer to subscribe to Wi-Fi because the network quality is better, but for gambler this will be quite worrying, especially in house that is often used for gathering and gambling together.
IP addresses as whole can be connected and of course this raises suspicions about the use of multiple accounts on one IP address to commit some fraud, clearly this is problem that can be complicated.
But usually gambler who has Wi-Fi and uses his house for gatherings will not share Wi-Fi with his friends because this is an effort to secure his personal account.

On the other hand, there are also gamblers who use VPN to access gambling sites but on average use regular VPN because they are more cost-effective.
When using premium VPN, there will indeed be many IP from various countries that can be used and of course there are many advantages you can get, but there are additional costs for subscribing and premium VPNs are not yet known by many people.

Both have the same goal, namely being able to access any gambling site more easily because there are still many countries that restrict access to several prohibited sites such as gambling, especially for countries that have a ban on gambling.
However, we still have to prioritize the casino regulations because not all casinos will give permission or allow their customers to access using VPN, we must be able to comply with these conditions for our own comfort.

I've been using premium VPN for years for my online gambling activity, so far no issues for me fortunately.
My main purpose of using VPN is to hide my real IP obviously and to bypass provider's restriction (not general restriction by the casinos).
Coming to the main idea which is about multiple accounts, basically I do not really like where casino has a term 1 user per IP because or multiple accounts against the term because I think multiple accounts is fine as long as it is not being used to abuse the provided promotions.
One of the example you give here happens in Stake, fun fact is that users were allowed to have secondary account in the past but they changed the rules few years back.