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February 18, 2023, 06:21:12 PM
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Well, I think the subject is very extensive, but when we start to see, in my case an AI is a double-edged sword, the most advanced thing I have seen is the GPT chat, and they only have an update until 2021, and we are in 2023, there is talk of an apparent update, but I think it will be updated until 2022, I think it will be like this so as not to return to a crazy world, and its programming is not to make predictions, I don't know, nor do I have any knowledge Yes, there are other AIs that can make predictions, but I think it will be in privileged hands and even so I don't think they will release it to the world, it is very difficult to make an AI that can predict world events, because there are many fundamentals to take On consideration, I still believe that doing trading the way one does, relying on logical thinking and making our own predictions are still more viable and with better results.


There is one thing that never really makes sense to me when we talk about AI being used in trading for example. When the goal of an AI should be to generate an alpha for a trader, there is only so much alpha in a certain situation in the market to be made. If the AI does a good job, it generates a max alpha for user A. If user B now requests the AI to generate max alpha, wouldn't it necessarily lead to an alpha being perfectly neutralized to zero with a growing number of users?

To me this seems like there is a contradiction because everyone could just start to use a certain bot. In the end it should come down again to who has access to the best software out there, which means it is again nothing more but a programming competition and speed and even then I would be careful because I think it is prone to errors when it comes to external events. How would the AI anticipate something like a pandemic? Or a war? Or any other event that has significant impact on the global economy?
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February 18, 2023, 04:35:47 PM
#88
Trading is another story and a huge task that an AI can make which is actually out of its design as Chat Bot. I'd never use chatGPT personally but one of my friends tells me how good it is when comes to chat messages, answering questions, and word compositions. It is really amazing to think huh, but I might think that it was really intended for that area, not on trading or in general works. Maybe in the future, the developers will make that programs but still, I'm not sure how good it was when it comes to decisions like normal people can do.

Others are using bots for trading but it depend on how well you program your AI.
It doesn't mean that if you deploy bot in trading, it will automatically rake profits for you.
These bots are using algorithms to execute your trades and works according to your set-up.
And if the market conditions are not met by how you set-up them, you won't get the profits that you want.
Thus, it doesn't mean, if you own a trading bot, it will surely give you continuous profit.
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February 18, 2023, 04:31:18 PM
#87
Trading is another story and a huge task that an AI can make which is actually out of its design as Chat Bot. I'd never use chatGPT personally but one of my friends tells me how good it is when comes to chat messages, answering questions, and word compositions. It is really amazing to think huh, but I might think that it was really intended for that area, not on trading or in general works. Maybe in the future, the developers will make that programs but still, I'm not sure how good it was when it comes to decisions like normal people can do.
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February 18, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
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Well, I think the subject is very extensive, but when we start to see, in my case an AI is a double-edged sword, the most advanced thing I have seen is the GPT chat, and they only have an update until 2021, and we are in 2023, there is talk of an apparent update, but I think it will be updated until 2022, I think it will be like this so as not to return to a crazy world, and its programming is not to make predictions, I don't know, nor do I have any knowledge Yes, there are other AIs that can make predictions, but I think it will be in privileged hands and even so I don't think they will release it to the world, it is very difficult to make an AI that can predict world events, because there are many fundamentals to take On consideration, I still believe that doing trading the way one does, relying on logical thinking and making our own predictions are still more viable and with better results.
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February 04, 2023, 12:21:56 AM
#85
Are you guys really questioning whether or not you should trust a bot, over yourself? Whether its AI or not does not matter since AI is still in its baby shoes and obviously the human mind is leaps and bounds beyond the current AI.

And honestly, we might never develop an AI which can outperform a human in the areas that matter most to us. How does one create something better and more complex-minded than oneself? Do we even have the capacity to think of such a thing or does it outstrip our brainpower and is therefore out of reach to us?

Either way, I do not trust my money to a computer algorithm. No matter how impressively it can imitate a human.


It seems to me you are talking about strong AI, strong AI is often the central subject on books and movies about robots being human like, and as you state we are very far away from reaching that goal.

But weak AI is an AI which is dedicated to learn and solve a single specific problem, it is here where great achievements are being made, self-driving cars, voice recognition and even the recommendations you receive on your favorite store are the results of weak AI, and trading is a very specific topic which can be learned by a weak AI and if given enough data it can perform at a higher level than most humans.
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February 02, 2023, 09:31:33 PM
#84
AI is a program where it makes things easier for everyone. It answers your questions of things that you wanted to know and it saves you time researching about the things you ask. Instead of reading a book that'll take you some time to read its contexts, AI do it all for you, so you could ask things you wanted to know. It will not do the actual trading process for you, like entering a position and will give you easy win (profits) every single time.

It will just give you basic knowledge you need to know so that you can avoid mistakes as much as possible depending on how you will execute what you've learned. Trading is a long term process before you could make a lot of profits.

I agree with you that AI is not good for trading because simply the market is unpredictable. That's why AI will not always makes you win because it's only follow what setup is programmed with it. That's why we always have to react and if there's a opportunity, then go with it. I tried many strat in trading but none of them has 85% winning rate how much more if we only rely our trading future in bots.

As what my friends said, they experienced winning streak in the first place but in long run it all liquidated.
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February 02, 2023, 07:26:56 PM
#83
Are you guys really questioning whether or not you should trust a bot, over yourself? Whether its AI or not does not matter since AI is still in its baby shoes and obviously the human mind is leaps and bounds beyond the current AI.

And honestly, we might never develop an AI which can outperform a human in the areas that matter most to us. How does one create something better and more complex-minded than oneself? Do we even have the capacity to think of such a thing or does it outstrip our brainpower and is therefore out of reach to us?

Either way, I do not trust my money to a computer algorithm. No matter how impressively it can imitate a human.

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February 02, 2023, 11:50:49 AM
#82
I guess it’s too late to give my suggestion on this topic. But still I will share my knowledge and experience on this. For me when it comes to finances, I never trust with any bot or any artificial intelligence. I am not saying that all the AIs are bad, but yes, I don’t feel secure using AIs for trading. At the end of the day, these are machines only. One wrong instruction can make the whole game reverse, and if by mistake loss is made, then no one can be blamed also for this. So I do not use AI for trading, and I am also not recommending anyone to use it.
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February 02, 2023, 09:21:01 AM
#81
I think it is high time we stopped the hype around AI and trading. Yes, they are good but still will not be as good such that they can perform some functions. There is a reason why the so-called AI,  ChatGPT has "Chat" in front of it. It is also like saying can Siri help you make trading decisions? Or can Alexa predict bitcoin's price? We still have a long way to go with AI and intelligent machines doing stuffs for human. Maybe in 2050 but right now ChatGPT or whatever AI out there can do trading.
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February 02, 2023, 07:06:44 AM
#80
AI is a program where it makes things easier for everyone. It answers your questions of things that you wanted to know and it saves you time researching about the things you ask. Instead of reading a book that'll take you some time to read its contexts, AI do it all for you, so you could ask things you wanted to know. It will not do the actual trading process for you, like entering a position and will give you easy win (profits) every single time.

It will just give you basic knowledge you need to know so that you can avoid mistakes as much as possible depending on how you will execute what you've learned. Trading is a long term process before you could make a lot of profits.
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February 02, 2023, 05:59:48 AM
#79
I think currently the AI is being marketed a lot possibly by its owners to promote it's sale or something that has monetary benefit to its creators. We have seen bots work trades previously and you can program an AI to run a trade but what success you might get is doubtful unless you are doing a controlled study.

The correct answer to your question is that only, do a study and see for yourself. One machine to let the AI run the trading on autopilot while the other machine is run by a human for the same time on the same assets.
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February 01, 2023, 08:31:45 AM
#78
The thing I hate about YouTube, is that most of the content there is usually click bait oriented! And if these guys are saying straight out of the box the AI bot will take good trades, I won't even bother to see if it's possible because I know it's all lies and these creators are trying to generate  $$$ through views(revenue ads). But if someone from here says they were able to make profits not once but several times, I will be more than interested to see ChatGPT in action.

You need to be more responsible for your action. I agree with how you see those videos coming from YouTube ads, more on clickbait and
more on personal interest to capture interest and to earn more views.

But if you will find time to investigate and do your own research, I believe that you will find
the right idea if how you will be able to use this AI in a favorable way for your trading or
your investment. DYOR is always a must before believing or taking your steps to anything
that earn your interest.
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I don't understand how YouTube is relevant in this particular discussion, but, if you are trying to say that ChatGPT is marketed as clickbait and isn't capable of doing things then you are wrong.
YouTube has everything to do with this discussion, OP said he/she has been seeing YouTube videos of ChatGPT being used for trading, and I was simply saying the AI has blown out of proportion and people are not only using the platform to showcase the capabilities of AI but also taking advantage of this by luring viewers onto their channels to gain more views for cash!

I keep seeing videos on Youtube related to how good this A.I project called ChatGPT is very good trading and we all know how unreliable those YouTubers are

ChatGPT serves the purpose for what it has been created. Of course trading is not a part of it's nature, since it is a model trained with data from the past and for it to even make a prediction based on the most recent data, the developers will need to feed it the most recent data every day or week which I don't think is going to happen. Maybe it will be made this way in the future so that it can self-learn.
Unfortunately, when it comes to trading, the most recent data is not always helpful as data from the past(historical data) is what narrates the story better and which points of interest one should expect a reaction when price gets back into the area and the alike! Of course people use EAs to trade , which happens to be bots.. and I guess ChatGPT wouldn't be any different if all datasets are fed into it by the devs .
 
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The thing I hate about YouTube, is that most of the content there is usually click bait oriented! And if these guys are saying straight out of the box the AI bot will take good trades, I won't even bother to see if it's possible because I know it's all lies and these creators are trying to generate  $$$ through views(revenue ads). But if someone from here says they were able to make profits not once but several times, I will be more than interested to see ChatGPT in action.
I don't understand how YouTube is relevant in this particular discussion, but, if you are trying to say that ChatGPT is marketed as clickbait and isn't capable of doing things then you are wrong.

ChatGPT serves the purpose for what it has been created. Of course trading is not a part of it's nature, since it is a model trained with data from the past and for it to even make a prediction based on the most recent data, the developers will need to feed it the most recent data every day or week which I don't think is going to happen. Maybe it will be made this way in the future so that it can self-learn.
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I keep seeing videos on Youtube related to how good this A.I project called ChatGPT is very good trading and we all know how unreliable those YouTubers are, so I bring this on here instead, have you use this A.I project for trading yet? Any one?

UPDATE

Sorry guys its actually OpenAI not ChatGPT

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Relying on AI for trading would be the biggest mistake of your life. Currently AI is not so well established.
Chat GPT is still far better than any other AI models but still it has a lot of room to grow.
Current AI models are not very capable to help us with trading. We can use it for reference but not for actual trading.
We have to make sure we are doing the trades by ourself and not relying on any AI models for that.
With time, these AI models will get better and may be then we can reconsider this topic.
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Why do beginners always take the instant trading method? they feel left behind and don't want to go through a long process. Relying on AI, bots and such doesn't mean precision. Because basically AI only collects data per data from past trading results, whereas we have to face the trades that are in front of our eyes directly. Don't just follow advice from YouTubers, they are looking for an audience and so far they don't care whether the audience is profitable or not. Their target is to get double the benefit from what you watch. YouTube or on the telegram channel, they share trading bots, even though the facts on the ground trading conditions are very much different.
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To the best of my knowledge, I believe that the use of AI in trading will be beneficial for individuals who have not yet had a mentor who can instruct them in trading. It will at least assist them by outlining potential actions they could take or refrain from taking, to have a good trade. it will then be up to them to decide which actions, if any, to take before they begin trading.

Using AI as a trading aid is not a bad notion, just like it is in the world of cryptocurrencies. AI will assist you with market analysis and advise you on the appropriate safety measures to adopt. You will then be given the option to decide how to execute the trade.



Using AI or not in trading is at your discretion. Trading is what needs proper analysis. Although analyzing the market is not easily done, you will fail in some aspects and get some. Let's just have it in mind that trading is highly difficult but employing the help of AI is a good way to start but not 100% guaranteed as a beginner in trading
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I keep seeing videos on Youtube related to how good this A.I project called ChatGPT is very good trading and we all know how unreliable those YouTubers are, so I bring this on here instead, have you use this A.I project for trading yet? Any one?

UPDATE

Sorry guys its actually OpenAI not ChatGPT



  For me, doing your trading naturally or organically is different than entrusting it to a trading bot. Because it is still better for us to feel and witness whether we should sell or buy coins here in cryptocurrency.

 Unless the trading bot is profitable and a lot of traders get rich, but nothing like that happens, just think of yourself as an individual trader entrusting your income to the bot, would you agree if it bothers you?
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I don't know that there's an openAI that's dedicated to trading. I've known bots that will just help you to do your trades automatically by setting it first but it won't be the one that's going to do the whole thing of trading like giving decisions automatically if the market suddenly fell.
I believe that these AIs are just like guides but they can't predict the market and they can give some good thoughts of analysis but they're all based on facts and they can't really say what they think about trading on a highly volatile crypto market.
AI based or those casual bots, its all the same and its never been that relevant on making yourself that depended on it considering we know on how these things works and how these things do behave.
If you do see that these things are really that relevant into your trade and seeing that it is really bringing up some profits somehow which you do add up with some analysis of yours then stick to it.
We've seen that people been talking about applying it on gambling and now in trading which this current AI trend cant really be stopped but there are certain areas which cant really be touched
nor be affected by AI.
Those that have been using those trading bots like the ones that's popular in the forum, if that's effective then keep on doing it. There's also the slight chance that those bot makers, the new ones will integrate or label their bots as "ai" bots since it's the trend currently.
Of course, they're all for the sales of their bot and will eventually go through with those traders that are not yet familiar that there have been existing trading bots that didn't associated with ai on their names.
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I don't know that there's an openAI that's dedicated to trading. I've known bots that will just help you to do your trades automatically by setting it first but it won't be the one that's going to do the whole thing of trading like giving decisions automatically if the market suddenly fell.
I believe that these AIs are just like guides but they can't predict the market and they can give some good thoughts of analysis but they're all based on facts and they can't really say what they think about trading on a highly volatile crypto market.
AI based or those casual bots, its all the same and its never been that relevant on making yourself that depended on it considering we know on how these things works and how these things do behave.
If you do see that these things are really that relevant into your trade and seeing that it is really bringing up some profits somehow which you do add up with some analysis of yours then stick to it.
We've seen that people been talking about applying it on gambling and now in trading which this current AI trend cant really be stopped but there are certain areas which cant really be touched
nor be affected by AI.
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