Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?

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Quote from: bakasabo on December 21, 2022, 06:43:07 AM

If I was an employer and I would have to select one of employees that apply, I would take a person whos long term working experience in one company in his record of service, instead of a person that has changed 8 jobs in a single year, plus he probably has something unofficial. I value loyalty more, compared to how huge professional other employee is. I see no point in teaching, giving experience to a person, that tends to change jobs often. There are persons that aim on a result, try to build a career. You cant hold them forever with bonuses, high salary, free coffee and etc.

But in general a lot depends from a person. I know a guy, who works in a company since it was created (for 20+ years), his boss treats him and everybody like crap, he is in a bad relations with the boss, many people have left that company, that guy can also quit, but he keeps working there.

That line of thinking only ever works for small businesses in dire need of loyal workers who could easily be manipulated by the notion that your workplace is your second home and everyone in it is your family. People nowadays are smart enough to understamd how controlling this logic is and most modern companies with established names will not care about how many times an employee has switched companies as long as he has the expertise and the dedication to go to work to boot. Loyalty will only ever value the employer in this game between employer vs. employee. Before you question your employee's loyalty, make sure you give them something to be loyal for. Like maybe enough pay to make sure they don't starve to death after paying their utilities.

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Quote from: virasisog on December 24, 2022, 02:26:27 PM

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If we look from perspective of an employer they gain from resignation of a senior employee than losing for example if someone is working for years then probably they have to be paid higher so in case if the employee resign the employer can hire 2 freshers for the salary given for one senior employee which means more productive and more profits. I had seen lots of people complaining about their boss and company and keep telling they are going to quit soon but in reality they never did.

Yes, correct. I started to understand this thing when I worked with a big company now. It really doesn't matter if a senior level will resign it only matters to their teammate but for the higher ups, it could be another way for them to save a little since they will hire newbies or entry level candidates that can give lowball offer and can do the same job as the senior as time passes by. This will only affects to small company not bigger ones.

Big companies believe that employees come and go so regardless of their seniority, they could automatically look for replacements just to continue their operation with the needed manpower. They are always ready for resignations, unlike small companies, as much as possible. They value their employees a lot because they are still the foundation and the body of the company. The attachment could only be between employees and other employees.

Companies are ready for resignation if the employee has no big impact on the company like the employee has just doing the task that can be done by othe employee. I dont know but this kind of thing is offensive to me and i tend to do an payback on them by making the employed trust me and in the end left them hanging. I know it is bad but when i see that they usually threat other employees bad then that is the time i do my revenge by leaving them hanging so that they will realize the importance of employees to them

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Quote from: molsewid on December 24, 2022, 02:05:52 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on December 24, 2022, 01:17:59 PM

If we look from perspective of an employer they gain from resignation of a senior employee than losing for example if someone is working for years then probably they have to be paid higher so in case if the employee resign the employer can hire 2 freshers for the salary given for one senior employee which means more productive and more profits. I had seen lots of people complaining about their boss and company and keep telling they are going to quit soon but in reality they never did.

Yes, correct. I started to understand this thing when I worked with a big company now. It really doesn't matter if a senior level will resign it only matters to their teammate but for the higher ups, it could be another way for them to save a little since they will hire newbies or entry level candidates that can give lowball offer and can do the same job as the senior as time passes by. This will only affects to small company not bigger ones.

Big companies believe that employees come and go so regardless of their seniority, they could automatically look for replacements just to continue their operation with the needed manpower. They are always ready for resignations, unlike small companies, as much as possible. They value their employees a lot because they are still the foundation and the body of the company. The attachment could only be between employees and other employees.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on December 24, 2022, 01:17:59 PM

If we look from perspective of an employer they gain from resignation of a senior employee than losing for example if someone is working for years then probably they have to be paid higher so in case if the employee resign the employer can hire 2 freshers for the salary given for one senior employee which means more productive and more profits. I had seen lots of people complaining about their boss and company and keep telling they are going to quit soon but in reality they never did.

Yes, correct. I started to understand this thing when I worked with a big company now. It really doesn't matter if a senior level will resign it only matters to their teammate but for the higher ups, it could be another way for them to save a little since they will hire newbies or entry level candidates that can give lowball offer and can do the same job as the senior as time passes by. This will only affects to small company not for bigger ones.

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If we look from perspective of an employer they gain from resignation of a senior employee than losing for example if someone is working for years then probably they have to be paid higher so in case if the employee resign the employer can hire 2 freshers for the salary given for one senior employee which means more productive and more profits. I had seen lots of people complaining about their boss and company and keep telling they are going to quit soon but in reality they never did.

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Quote from: Lubang Bawah on December 22, 2022, 06:51:57 AM

Currently I am still working in the office, and this is my third place after I graduated about 6 years ago, I have worked in a place now about 4 years and things that make me survive because now looking for work is very difficult, besides that there are many places in this place Things I can get because the company does the maximum thing to maintain its employees, small things are they give gifts on birthdays, and often eat together so as to make a like family.

If you have that knd of attachment and you are happy with the company then better to stay though there are many other opportunities and you may find something that will give better compensation.

But as lng as you are happy and you feel the comfort with your employer and your co-workers maybe being
satisfied is a good way if you are not willing to take the gamble in finding new place to work.

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Quote from: bakasabo on December 21, 2022, 06:43:07 AM

If I was an employer and I would have to select one of employees that apply, I would take a person whos long term working experience in one company in his record of service, instead of a person that has changed 8 jobs in a single year, plus he probably has something unofficial. I value loyalty more, compared to how huge professional other employee is. I see no point in teaching, giving experience to a person, that tends to change jobs often. There are persons that aim on a result, try to build a career. You cant hold them forever with bonuses, high salary, free coffee and etc.

But in general a lot depends from a person. I know a guy, who works in a company since it was created (for 20+ years), his boss treats him and everybody like crap, he is in a bad relations with the boss, many people have left that company, that guy can also quit, but he keeps working there.

This is a wrong approach, and could be the worst one that I have seen in a long time. It is not the amount of jobs a person had, but the quality of the job they do which an employer should care about, because if you can find that one worker which could do what is asked, and do it perfectly, and even take incentive to do a better job than being asked, provide higher quality results than expected, then you do everything in your power to keep that person.

The reality is that most work places offer everyone the same amount of money, and offer a promotion as a promise, and people leave because of that, if I am 10x good and someone is 1x good and we get paid the same amount of money but I have a higher chance to promote, that's not good enough. I changed 7 jobs in 4 years before I found my latest job, been with the same boss for 6 years now. Shows you how it matters to reward the worker who works hard.

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Currently I am still working in the office, and this is my third place after I graduated about 6 years ago, I have worked in a place now about 4 years and things that make me survive because now looking for work is very difficult, besides that there are many places in this place Things I can get because the company does the maximum thing to maintain its employees, small things are they give gifts on birthdays, and often eat together so as to make a like family.

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If I was an employer and I would have to select one of employees that apply, I would take a person whos long term working experience in one company in his record of service, instead of a person that has changed 8 jobs in a single year, plus he probably has something unofficial. I value loyalty more, compared to how huge professional other employee is. I see no point in teaching, giving experience to a person, that tends to change jobs often. There are persons that aim on a result, try to build a career. You cant hold them forever with bonuses, high salary, free coffee and etc.

But in general a lot depends from a person. I know a guy, who works in a company since it was created (for 20+ years), his boss treats him and everybody like crap, he is in a bad relations with the boss, many people have left that company, that guy can also quit, but he keeps working there.

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Quote from: Lubang Bawah on December 19, 2022, 04:06:55 AM

The presence of many job seeker applications at this time makes anyone tempted to send applications, moreover to send an application it only takes a few moments then wait for the call for an interview, even during covid there was an application that immediately gave tests in stages to online interviews and if you pass, of course you just have to sign employment contract.

The purpose of making an online application application is to make it easier for corporate agencies to collect documents from each applicant and also for their convenience from those who apply without having to come to the office to submit a job application. In fact, this is indeed a natural thing to implement because considering that currently in certain countries there are still very many unemployed people who are looking for work, so the company made the application to make it easier to check and verify applicant data in full.

A good way to sort those capable and fit to what the company is looking, online submission or application gives the applicant a good chance
to land a job without travelling and spending more.

If luck permits and the company is also good with online interviews, that again is additional perks
that will lessen the expenses of the applicant. Most of the time employers are after to those who
can fill the position who are really eager to work and learn for them.

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Quote from: Lubang Bawah on December 19, 2022, 04:06:55 AM

The presence of many job seeker applications at this time makes anyone tempted to send applications, moreover to send an application it only takes a few moments then wait for the call for an interview, even during covid there was an application that immediately gave tests in stages to online interviews and if you pass, of course you just have to sign employment contract.

The purpose of making an online application application is to make it easier for corporate agencies to collect documents from each applicant and also for their convenience from those who apply without having to come to the office to submit a job application. In fact, this is indeed a natural thing to implement because considering that currently in certain countries there are still very many unemployed people who are looking for work, so the company made the application to make it easier to check and verify applicant data in full.

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Quote from: Cling18 on December 18, 2022, 10:38:56 AM

Employees could stay loyal if they will feel valued and if they're getting enough benefits that they deserve. We can't question the employees who leave because they still have the right to look for better opportunities that will match their skills. The company would have adjustments if they lost skilled employees but that's part of the business. Employees always seek comfort not just in salary but also in a working environment so the company should assure that their employees are safe and secured if they want to keep them.

Those that leave have many reasons and for sure a lot of it is because of the environment, it could be toxic, or inappropriate or they have a colleague that they don't like that keeps acting like a boss. That's normal in an office setup and that's why those that are leaving are finding their peace and happiness through another company that they think will settle for good. That's why there's always imbalance, someone who has a high salary but just enduring the toxic environment and doesn't really love the job he has and the opposite for those low wages but are staying because of less toxicity.

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Quote from: Cling18 on December 18, 2022, 10:38:56 AM

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Quote from: Wong Gendheng on December 16, 2022, 09:34:13 AM

I think the biggest factor that makes it easy for employees to change workplaces is the ease of finding and submitting applications, now many job providers are making it easier for prospective employees, and I also often submit applications in the place that I like, and when there is an opportunity or a test and call of test and call Interview certainly asks permission.

Easy to apply does not mean it can be just as easy when working. You only went through an easy application process, but you didn't tell me how easy and difficult it was to work after being accepted by the company.

Now it is very easy for companies to create job advertisements because the company needs new employees, but not many companies include the mechanism for working in their place in the advertisements they make. And their (company) goal of not including this is to be able to attract the interest of many people to apply there.

Employees could stay loyal if they will feel valued and if they're getting enough benefits that they deserve. We can't question the employees who leave because they still have the right to look for better opportunities that will match their skills. The company would have adjustments if they lost skilled employees but that's part of the business. Employees always seek comfort not just in salary but also in a working environment so the company should assure that their employees are safe and secured if they want to keep them.

Yeah, there are several factors which would really affect for those employees whether to stay or not on a particular company.I've seen that there are ones who are well paid but still eventually ending up
on having those resignation just because they're getting stressed out on the working environment which is something that that couldnt really bare out and ending up on leaving the job and find
for another place which they would really be seeing for it to be comfortable for them. Yes, its up to companies actions whether they would be offering something just to stop their skilled and
good employees or just simply trying out to patch up if ever they would be leaving out the company, as simple as that.

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They are losing the proverbial battle because they do not want to play the game they started with the employees. They do not want employees to go and yet they continue their malpractices like it's a regular old Tuesday for them. Even the simple case of increasing their salaries to livable levels is already apparently a herculean task for them, how could you expect these companies to actually solve the bigger and more pressing issues about employment? Altogether, this is a losing battle for them, and now that the pandemic opened the people's eyes to just how much opportunities there are beyond the regular 9-5, they'll realize they don't have that much power over the people anymore.

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The presence of many job seeker applications at this time makes anyone tempted to send applications, moreover to send an application it only takes a few moments then wait for the call for an interview, even during covid there was an application that immediately gave tests in stages to online interviews and if you pass, of course you just have to sign employment contract.

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Quote from: CageMabok on December 18, 2022, 10:21:26 AM

Quote from: Wong Gendheng on December 16, 2022, 09:34:13 AM

I think the biggest factor that makes it easy for employees to change workplaces is the ease of finding and submitting applications, now many job providers are making it easier for prospective employees, and I also often submit applications in the place that I like, and when there is an opportunity or a test and call of test and call Interview certainly asks permission.

Easy to apply does not mean it can be just as easy when working. You only went through an easy application process, but you didn't tell me how easy and difficult it was to work after being accepted by the company.

Now it is very easy for companies to create job advertisements because the company needs new employees, but not many companies include the mechanism for working in their place in the advertisements they make. And their (company) goal of not including this is to be able to attract the interest of many people to apply there.

Employees could stay loyal if they will feel valued and if they're getting enough benefits that they deserve. We can't question the employees who leave because they still have the right to look for better opportunities that will match their skills. The company would have adjustments if they lost skilled employees but that's part of the business. Employees always seek comfort not just in salary but also in a working environment so the company should assure that their employees are safe and secured if they want to keep them.

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Quote from: Wong Gendheng on December 16, 2022, 09:34:13 AM

I think the biggest factor that makes it easy for employees to change workplaces is the ease of finding and submitting applications, now many job providers are making it easier for prospective employees, and I also often submit applications in the place that I like, and when there is an opportunity or a test and call of test and call Interview certainly asks permission.

Easy to apply does not mean it can be just as easy when working. You yourself only went through an easy application process, but you didn't tell how easy and difficult it was to work after being accepted by the company.

Now it is very easy for companies to create job advertisements because the company is in need of new employees, but not many companies include the mechanism for working in their place in the advertisements they make. And their (company) goal of not including this is to be able to attract the interest of many people to apply there.

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Quote from: hyudien on December 18, 2022, 09:02:17 AM

I think the amount of salary that can be a factor for employees to stay in the company. We don't need to be hypocritical that the amount of money is the main thing that is always looked at, without ruling out that comfort in the workplace is also very important. But let's be realistic, how many people who change jobs that pay them below the salary of their previous company? I don't think there will be many people like that.
It's different when the boss pressures his employees to resign, because in my opinion, self-esteem is also worth maintaining. That's not to say the employee can't stand the pressure, but again that's a different matter.

I had a case when I changed my job to a more comfortable one for me, while my salary at the beginning was less, but after a year I was getting more than at my previous job. Comfort is very important to me, I often see how people do what they don't like and endure it for years, because they are afraid that they won't find a better job. Fears very often prevent us from growing, but you need to be bolder, it’s better to try and know that you did everything in your power than to do what you don’t like.

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why employees leave the company, and in general or mostly it seems to me, is.
Inadequate salary and benefits.
No career growth.
Too burdensome for employees.
Unfriendly work environment.
Boredom and unsupported feelings.
Unhappiness.
Every day is a peak work day.
There is no work life balance.
No rest and free time to regain your energy.
Dissatisfaction with a dynamically changing corporate culture.
Lack of flexibility to learn and understand new roles in organizations or companies under different roles.
Bad manager.
Bad culture.
Lack of engagement.
A more politicized workplace.
Bad company reputation in the market.
and maybe there are many more reasons employees choose to leave the company, including maybe because they get a better job than before.

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Quote from: Ani1985 on December 16, 2022, 05:26:44 AM

Actually employees can receive salaries from the company, even if the salary he receives is lower than the others, which makes people move to work usually due to work environment factors that are already uncomfortable, for example companies put pressure so that employees are better resigns.

I think the amount of salary that can be a factor for employees to stay in the company. We don't need to be hypocritical that the amount of money is the main thing that is always looked at, without ruling out that comfort in the workplace is also very important. But let's be realistic, how many people who change jobs that pay them below the salary of their previous company? I don't think there will be many people like that.
It's different when the boss pressures his employees to resign, because in my opinion, self-esteem is also worth maintaining. That's not to say the employee can't stand the pressure, but again that's a different matter.

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