Topic: Is Mark Karpeles Jewish? [serious] (Read 21312 times)

meh im not gonna enumerate the countless bad things zionism has done or provided with moral support. God's chosen people? sounds a bit supremacist to me personally.
+ jewish friends of mine agree that it is not antisemitism that nurtures from zionism, but quite the contrary.
hence, people falling for that crap are the ones being antisemitic (whatever that word means actually), since they are the ones endangering the rest of their community.

I don't want to drag myself into this but how exactly is Zionism to blame for pulling off a big scam?
In my opinion this just looks like an excuse to hide baseless anti Semitism. Every time something happens the world blames Zionism with no real reason why.
Seems like people just use it as a cover up.

yup i hear you. this subject is very sensitive. but it doesnt make it less real. there's a simple word for this: zionism.
which is no religion. nor race. its an ideology, as i mentioned before.

just wanted to make things clear. rational. peace.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you can't blame what he did based on his religion. He just obviously lacked morals. As far as I know his religion doesn't preach to hate. I believe his views were subjective and his personal beliefs. I do bt want to get into a religious debate but just trying to keep this conversation civilised.

im making judgement based on his interpretation of a religion. just like disliking jihadist for their actions too. its not being racist. its being objective.
read the guy's victimaire hateful words. no wonder he screwed us (well, not me). he considers himself above it all. people had it coming.
Lots of lulz screwing the gentils.

How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

There should be no racial discrimination 
no matter what type man he were, I didn't think he have better morals.

Why don't you people stick to discussing Moses?  That's where the real moneyball is at.  All this is just some back and forth bs, you too hdbuck, both of you are just facing each other in a maelstrom.

Would Moses as Pharaoh have eliminated debt via the concept of jubilee?  That is the only question to ask.  The answer is yes, and talmud violates that, and talmud is anti-Moses.

Is Mark Karpeles Jewish? [serious]

Is Jewish [serious] somehow different from regular Jews?   
I don't really think his religion matters, also surely someone must have mentioned Bernie (almost) MadeOff was Jewish.

I meant worst, measured by land taken - a whole continent.

Of course you can. And it should be perfectly fine to you. If it's as true as you believe it is, then why would you care what someone says? The truth stands on its own, as you said. Replace the word "Holocaust" with "God" and you could be someone living a few hundred years ago, when denying the existence of God would be met with reactions similar to the one I'm quoting above.


And to confer eternal victim status. And to extort and squeeze Germany and emotionally manipulate the whole planet into waging war against "the new Hitler" (be it Ahmadinejad, Assad, Gaddafi, ...). It's also used to scam people (including actual Jewish WWII victims) in innumerable ways. Check out the work of Norman Finkelstein if you want to know.


The worst genocide ever was the transatlantic slave trade, followed by Mao's genocide of the Chinese. There have been many genocides worse (by numbers) than the one we hear so much about, but none of them are being used to justify war, nor are people deprived of their freedom for "denying" (presenting evidence that contradicts the established story, or even just questioning) any genocide other than the Sacred Six Million one. And as you can prove to yourself with this video, there's a reason I use the term "Sacred Six Million".

you cannot deny there was a Holocaust at all

yet it seems that it is used for fingerpointing by some. Bad people use it to distract from their own crimes.

Like USA. They have killed millions of American Natives. In fact that was the worst genocide ever. Israel deserves to exist, but with the same logic all Americans should have returned the continent to the Natives!!!!!!!!!!!

In which case Germany would have won WW2

And no one would have to be scared of the Samson Option!!!    Sorry for being cynical ...

Exactly. Truth doesn't need laws to protect it. When legislation is created to silence those who dig deeper into supposed "historical fact", you can be 100% certain that a major lie is being presented as unquestionable truth.

It is also a fact that 99.99% of those who declare to "believe in the Holocaust" (same goes for many other historical events, BTW) have not looked into the other side's argument.

You see the problem I have is this. In Germany, and elsewhere too, you have to believe in the Holocaust by law.

You are not even allowed to compare numbers. If you would say something like, Stalin killed 20 mio, Holocaust was only X mio, even that would be illegal.

Now I ask you: When in history was it necessary to protect a commonly known truth by law? In the middle ages you were killed if you said, the earth is a sphere, and so on. Today if you say, the earth is flat, you will not go to jail because everyone knows this is bullshit.

Personally I do believe in the Holocaust, although I also believe it has been massively leveraged to make money.

It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.

Thomas Jefferson

So renfr what do you think, is it good when governments try to control our minds?

- It's not mental violence, it's called justice, oh poor criminals who are victims of mental violence for being prosecuted, I pity them! 
- Catholicism is more than advocating peace, "turn the other cheek" basically means that you submit to the attacker, this is beyond peace, there's a time for peace and there's a time for self-defense. Other christians didn't follow these principles and that's why orthodoxy and protestantism are still saying strong.
- an eye for an eye is not religious, it's just a normal moral standard, yes we advocate peace but if you attack us then don't expect that we turn the other cheek, we'll counterattack more than proportionally to your attack
- Israel is not my country, I'm French, France is my country, some Jews decide to make Aliyah and live in Israel, others don't, there are 7.5 million Jews in the US (more than Israel) and most of them don't want to leave the US, it's their nation, I merely support the Jews who live in Israel to have their nation and their state. In a world where anything can justify pogroms against jews Israel is needed, everytime something goes wrong there's always a nutjob coming and telling us "it's the Jews!".
- because antifascists and neonazis may have antisemitism in common but they don't have many other aspects of their ideology in common, it's like shias and sunnis, they all hate Israel and the jews yet they kill each other because they're not of the same branch
- this wasn't really terrorism, it was just an act of self defense against antisemites, the JDL is just telling antisemites that there's no place in this world in where they can just spew out their hatred and rest comfortably, they'll be always hunted down like we hunted the last nazis before they die. To each crime, a punishment is deserved, the JDL makes sure that this rule is enforced.
I know you're going to call me violent for saying that again but it's the mere truth.
- I am for the freedom of expression of Dieudonné however for each antisemitic act he commits he's warned that he'll pay the consequences for it
- Mark wrote that when he was in Israel, more than 8 years ago, it was during his period in which he was trying to find his identity, there's an excellent article about his story where he leaves France for Israel because he doesn't feel like at home and when he comes to Israel he doesn't feel like at home either hence why he flew to Japan where apparently he declares to feel at home.
2006 was when he was in Ashdod and when he wrote this article, he was likely trying to find into his jewish roots but he failed to do so, now as I said he's just a computer geek who doesn't care about religion anymore, he probably cares more about anime, kawaii and cosplay


I am not hateful. I kept discussing during all this thread peacefully without any kind of animosity.

No, why is that?


Lots of people investigated the holocaust, many experts, historians, etc... none of them were hindered in their actions so I don't see what you're talking about.
The problem is not with investigating on the holocaust but the problem is with those who bluntly deny the holocaust without any tangible proof.
More than 4.5 million people were declared on the biographical lists (http://db.yadvashem.org/names/search.html?language=en) of the Yad Vashem, these people never existed right?

there's nothing to add. MK is a fanatic jewish like our fellow renfr here. did his misbehavior regarding gox was because of being jewish? nope. but he clearly had a wicked way to interprete and live his religion. And his beliefs points the fact that he's probably remorseless. - just like our fellow renfr here when he talks about nuking the whole damn world.

Wow! The chutzpah! Is it time to recite the Kol Nidre soon, renfr?


You've been evil the whole time. You didn't answer the question: were you sent to reconstructed concentration camps in Poland when you were a child, like the Jewish children in Yoav Shamir's excellent documentary?


Turks deny the Armenian genocide for chauvinistic/patriotic/cultural reasons -- i.e. because their government and media tell them that it wasn't a genocide, just casualties of war. The pan-Turkist brainwashing going on over there is not dissimilar to the American type, only a bit more obvious from a Western perspective. The ADL and other organized Jewish groups support the Turkish government's position because many of the Young Turks and Committee of Union and Progress party members who committed the genocide were Donmeh crypto-Jews from Salonika, and an investigation into the Armenian genocide would reveal this. An investigation (and resulting reparations) is unlikely to happen if the genocide is not internationally recognized.

Can you show me an Armenian who denounces someone investigating the genocide? I doubt this exists. But ask a single question about the Shoah and you'll receive threats from fanatical thugs like renfr. But he's "totally against any kind of censorship", he just wants you to "pay the price" for exercising your freedom of speech!

Tell that to Armenians, they must be really happy that Turks tell them that the Armenian genocide didn't exist.