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Quote from: jackg on June 15, 2021, 10:33:25 PM

A prisoner gets around £40+k spent on them a year, comparing that to a common working class person making £26k, it seems kinda strange. The prisoner might get all their meals, a sognle parent potentially won't.

No, that's not strange. Poverty is punishment for a crime you didn't commit!!! So, criminals committed crimes and they are treated better than honest and innocent persons.

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Then graduate to finding ways to rob or cheat people of their hard earned assets. Eventually, they might wind up murdering people and doing terrible things to earn more income and boost their net worth.

If person A is rich, that's because person B is poor. Humans aren't hugely different from animals, we share the same insticts. Our world is war and it's just a natural selection, bad people will always succeed. Those, who treat others bad, who push others, who bully others, they will always succeed and society will always love them if they are big liars at the same time.
This is the clear difference between the liar and the honest, The moment from 30 seconds to mars - this is war.

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Money definitely isn't the root of all evil but the love of it is, some persons naturally lack the ability to handle money and God, and this is why God almighty told us in the Bible that we can not serve two masters at a time, some people in their chase for money forget God and start worshipping money while others in their chase for righteousness in God forget to make money to take care of themselves and their families, these are the ones we call poor but ironically, they aren't the poor ones, the man who chase after money and forget God is actually the poor one.
The man who is wise is the man who is able to balance this two, this is being rich and still put God first in every thing he or she does, this is the man we can truly say is wealthy.
So in my conclusion, the man who is rich and does not know God is poor, and he who is poor and knows God is rich in christ Jesus, and he who is rich and knows God in all he's doings is wealthy.

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Quote from: inanilujimi on June 21, 2021, 05:39:15 AM

it's hard to say but it's true that money is the root of all evil, not only for the poor, even the rich can become evil if controlled by money. there are also many poor people who live happily without having to have everything by enjoying their social life that seems not far from the people around them, while rich people with their siblings can forget if they are controlled by money.

Money is not always the root of all evil because for me money is like a double edged knife,
if we use it for useful things such as buying necessities and others, of course it is a positive thing and vice versa too,
so I guess it depends on how we use the money

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Quote from: inanilujimi on June 21, 2021, 05:39:15 AM

it's hard to say but it's true that money is the root of all evil, not only for the poor, even the rich can become evil if controlled by money. there are also many poor people who live happily without having to have everything by enjoying their social life that seems not far from the people around them, while rich people with their siblings can forget if they are controlled by money.

Many people just change their reputation and even destroy it because of money. It is a sort of greediness that lives inside and controls their minds. This has been often seeing nowadays. Corruption and market manipulations are two examples of how people had changed due to hungry for money. They wanted it all and they wanted to take control of other's wealth.

I have to believe that rich people become richer as they have the capabilities to make evil things. And these corrupt leaders could be easier to feed of money just to hide the wrongdoings of the rich people.

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it's hard to say but it's true that money is the root of all evil, not only for the poor, even the rich can become evil if controlled by money. there are also many poor people who live happily without having to have everything by enjoying their social life that seems not far from the people around them, while rich people with their siblings can forget if they are controlled by money.

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Money itself s not a problem, people are! The thing people do for money are insane. Especially the things rich people do to acquire more and more... It poisons many peoples minds. Money itself is great! I love it haha.

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That is the worst approach I have ever seen in the world. You are blaming the victim for the crime committed against them. People who sell "drugs" are two different groups, one is selling drugs that are legal in some nations and illegal in some, for example weed is allowed in certain nations and it is totally fine, but if you sell it in an illegal nation then you are a criminal, that makes no sense at all, why is it a crime in some nations? Purely politician by politicians who got paid by people to make it illegal.
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I don't judge those who are poor, it's just that it happens on average
In developing countries, the average perpetrator of crimes such as drug traffickers and sex workers comes from poverty, and their admission when arrested is because they need money to keep them alive

Poor actually has a broad meaning = poor morals, poor mindset, and poor money
Greed is a killer poison that is actually lodged in the human body, when they can't control it then money will become their life goal

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Quote from: Tumanggor on June 20, 2021, 04:58:57 AM

In fact, poverty is the root of all evil
Look how many poor people sell drugs, be sex workers and other criminals just to earn money

I don't think so, they probably have some self-enjoyment when they do that and it could be a part of their life. They probably have fuck ton of money and still do those things anyway.

There's a people behind those drugs, sex workers and I'm pretty sure they are doing this for a money and that can be said as the root of evil because there's a lot of money with drugs. Poverty is not the root of evil, there's a lot of hard working poor people and they are doing everything to feed their own family. Money is good with a great purpose, but if you have negative purpose with that evil will surely take your life.

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Quote from: sulendra12 on June 20, 2021, 04:08:11 PM

I disagree about that. I have heard that the root of evil is just because they have a "chance" to actually do that. The reasons are not solely because of money, it could be they have to make a "revenge" with that people, it could be because of the "money" and it could be whatever reasons in their mind.

Quote from: Tumanggor on June 20, 2021, 04:58:57 AM

In fact, poverty is the root of all evil
Look how many poor people sell drugs, be sex workers and other criminals just to earn money

I don't think so, they probably have some self-enjoyment when they do that and it could be a part of their life. They probably have fuck ton of money and still do those things anyway.

Money is not the root of all evil, it's the mindset of the people that makes it bad. Even those millionares since birth still opted to do evilness becaus of their own greed. So greed and jealousy is the main root of all evilness.

In fact, we should be more grateful if we are blessed with a vast amount of money so we should never use it to do bad things or make it as a motivation to end up doing bad things to others. It's definitely a good feeling living your life financially free.

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Quote from: awik p on June 17, 2021, 10:57:05 PM

actually there is a truth where many people commit crimes because of money. with money they can enjoy a luxurious life, especially for those who have position, doing various ways to seek personal luxury. I think what the poor people think is true, but it's not all true, because there are still many officials who really think about the welfare of the people.

- Money is the most basic component of a life but the essence of money is not an evil, the essence of evil comes from the human psyche, the basic desires that stimulate people to come to money and do everything to get it, especially this thinking is very serious among the poor, life without money has made them taste too much difficulty, this objective cause has made them the devils of money. Besides, passions that have no basis and income to be served, which also make people turn into a slave and let money control them.

Lust makes people forget what they really need and use. How much desire to indulge in lust will be directly proportional to the level of crime. It's not always the poor who are the examples of this crime, but it can be seen from the corruption case, are they short of money? Of course not, but it is his lust that makes him a corruptor.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on June 20, 2021, 03:42:26 PM

Secondly do you really think that people would turn to crime if they were paid decently? All the criminals in the world do it because they lack funds, if you give people basic income so that they do not starve or become homeless, they will not turn to crime and you will drop the crime rate. Plus all the criminals in the world could combine their whole wealth together (from huge mafia boss' to small scammers) and it wouldn't even get close to what Banks steal from public every day.

The idea of a basic income is undoubtedly a great idea that will help smooth out the social contradictions that exist in human society. Another question is that the introduction of a basic income will require changes in the economic structure, the psychology of people, and public administration. Local failures in this direction, when some countries first introduce and then abandon the concept of basic income, shows that human society is not yet fully ready to implement this concept. However, mass robotization in the economy will still lead to the introduction of basic income.

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I disagree about that. I have heard that the root of evil is just because they have a "chance" to actually do that. The reasons are not solely because of money, it could be they have to make a "revenge" with that people, it could be because of the "money" and it could be whatever reasons in their mind.

Quote from: Tumanggor on June 20, 2021, 04:58:57 AM

In fact, poverty is the root of all evil
Look how many poor people sell drugs, be sex workers and other criminals just to earn money

I don't think so, they probably have some self-enjoyment when they do that and it could be a part of their life. They probably have fuck ton of money and still do those things anyway.

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Quote from: Ucy on June 18, 2021, 12:35:34 PM

It's actually the "Love of Money" that is the root of all evil. I forgot to correct you on that.
If it makes you happy, you will love it and desire it more.. . More like being addicted to something that makes you happy, which could make you go to any length to have more of it.

For the love of money is a root of all
kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. - 1 Timothy 6:10

That is the correct quote and it makes all the difference in the world, even yet this is not correct as money was created just a few thousands of years ago and people have been around for way longer than that so it is obvious this cannot be the case, oversimplification does this, we cannot find the root of all evil, people do all kind of awful acts for a bunch of different reasons and in fact in many occasions they do those things out of a desire to help others, so it is better to accept the reality and understand this.

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We always have a choice, either you have a money or none at all if you're a bad person you are still a bad person but if you appreciate every little things in your life, work for your own sake and the people around you, then you'll see money on a different way. You have to understand why you are working to earn money, that should be the first thing you remember every time you make money so that you wont waste it. Money is not the root of evil though some are falling on this trap but that is because of being weak emotionally, money is a good friend just know it's real value and it's purpose.

Sometimes contentment and being happy on what we have and how we see things reflects who we are. Its been a old saying but we really need to have money but not to make sin but to live. We can buy what we need as well what we want. If we know how to handle our finances correctly we will be able to create more source of income which everyone need. We must not rely on single income.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on June 20, 2021, 04:58:57 AM

In fact, poverty is the root of all evil
Look how many poor people sell drugs, be sex workers and other criminals just to earn money

money is a necessity of human life in this era, with money you can fulfill all your needs
So don't misunderstand money because money is not the root of all evil

That is the worst approach I have ever seen in the world. You are blaming the victim for the crime committed against them. People who sell "drugs" are two different groups, one is selling drugs that are legal in some nations and illegal in some, for example weed is allowed in certain nations and it is totally fine, but if you sell it in an illegal nation then you are a criminal, that makes no sense at all, why is it a crime in some nations? Purely politician by politicians who got paid by people to make it illegal.

Secondly do you really think that people would turn to crime if they were paid decently? All the criminals in the world do it because they lack funds, if you give people basic income so that they do not starve or become homeless, they will not turn to crime and you will drop the crime rate. Plus all the criminals in the world could combine their whole wealth together (from huge mafia boss' to small scammers) and it wouldn't even get close to what Banks steal from public every day.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on June 20, 2021, 04:58:57 AM

In fact, poverty is the root of all evil
Look how many poor people sell drugs, be sex workers and other criminals just to earn money

money is a necessity of human life in this era, with money you can fulfill all your needs
So don't misunderstand money because money is not the root of all evil

although money is not the root of all evil, but many crimes are based on the need for money. we know money can change a person's mind, people can lose their minds to get money, and not only poor people, people who already have a lot of money sometimes commit crimes, because they feel lacking. that's where the nature of greed that always sticks to someone, therefore we must be able to control it so as not to commit a crime

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Money, as such, is not a goal to be achieved. You need to be clear about how you want to spend your money. To feed your family? To pay off debt? Pay for medical care? Travel? When you know what your goal is, you can plan your spending so you can achieve it.
For most of us, money means more than it really is. Money reminds us of what we lack, what we can't afford. But, in essence, money is just a tool, try to treat it as such. Of course, it won't change your financial situation in a day, but it's the only right way to start controlling your spending.
Don't give your money some supernatural powers it doesn't have.

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In fact, poverty is the root of all evil
Look how many poor people sell drugs, be sex workers and other criminals just to earn money

money is a necessity of human life in this era, with money you can fulfill all your needs
So don't misunderstand money because money is not the root of all evil

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Quote from: ashmodeus on June 19, 2021, 03:09:36 AM

i am poor and i dont think money is a root of evil ,for me money is an ambition , to get anything i want , and mostly i am happy after get what i want and sometimes i feel greedy . to get your ambition , u must think how to get it without bothering others.

In a competitive world, I am pretty sure that you will be bothering a lot of people because our society was designed like that, a dog eat dog world. Also, I think the reason why people think that money is the root of all evil are probably jealous.

well , since the first , we have got the wrong teaching, now the biggest problem is whether we stay like that or change our mindset about that teaching, mostly , people tend to follow every what major people say , work hard for rich, nah.

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I know what is the problem with the poor people. I am by no means rich (instead I would classify myself as middleclass), but I would speak against romanticizing the so called "poor". From my conversations with this group of people, I could find that they are mostly driven by jealousy and hatred towards the successful people. They want the government to confiscate the wealth of the rich by increasing the taxes to 80% or 90%, and then distribute this money as handouts to the "poor". In an utopian world, that would be the ultimate solution to keep everyone happy, but in real life if the government do that, then it will just destroy the economy and in the end the poor people will be in an even worse position.

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