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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on April 08, 2023, 02:06:51 PM

not all such experiences are the fault of casinos looking to cheat gamblers. In some of the more common cases, withdrawals are held or the gambler's account ban occurs due to the gambler's fault. they don't read the casino rules, and they just deposit their money and play against the rules. like using a VPN or playing with multiple accounts at the same time.
if that's the case, who is scammed? gambler or casino?

In my opinion, No one got scammed but gamblers still complain about it. It is not the casino's fault for not paying the gamblers since they already stated it in their terms and conditions or TOS where whoever break it will get their account banned and will not get paid. If you don't want something like that then reading their TOS or whatever it is then you won't have a problem with it. In some cases, the casinos that intend to scam their gamblers is that they tale advantage of their TOS since they are the owner and that's what happens to se gamblers who complain about not getting paid even though they didn't do anything suspicious or break theor TOS. Read what silbean explained and you'll understand.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on April 08, 2023, 10:19:04 AM

So there should be a law on the promotion of casino gambling apps online in a very responsible way so that even minors are aware of this aspect of gambling just by using a cellphone that even a small amount can be gambled on casino online.

So you're asking every gambler need to verify their account first before they can gamble? some of casinos already do this, but it will not stop an unlicensed casino which let their gambler to play without need to verify their account. Verifying an account could minimize minor to gamble, but it doesn't stop minor to gamble because he can silently grab the ID card of his parent and registering with his dad ID.

If so, this requires adult supervision so they can keep an eye on their children so they never try to play gambling, let alone register with their father's ID. Even though this is difficult to do because their children can access the casino easily, parents can at least reduce their worries by watching it. But online casinos can provide greater risks than offline casinos because someone can visit online casinos without anyone knowing, let alone children who already know how to use their cellphones for various things.

^That it belongs to the parenthood to take responsibility for their children, monitor their activities, and keep an eye on what our children are doing online and offline. Be aware of any signs that they might be gambling, such as changes in behavior or unexplained spending. That is our responsibility to protect them from any form of a bad habit. We should be good role models, be responsible behavior by not gambling by ourselves in their eyes, and by demonstrating healthy ways to manage stress and cope with life's challenges.

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They usually have a marketing budget that covers various influencer marketing. They pay influencers to promote their brand and attract more customers. Could be something else, which I don't know much. And online casinos make money from customers who spend money on their platform. The more customers they have, the more money they can make by providing their service.
Also, in order to know if an online casino is safe, we have to look for a few things. We have to check if they are licensed and regulated by a reputable authority. Then read online reviews and check customer feedback to see if it's legit. But there are many ways to forge fake documents nowadays.
So be sure to go with old ones which are reputable and doing good on the market.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on April 08, 2023, 02:06:51 PM

Quote from: nakamura12 on April 08, 2023, 01:01:04 PM

Gamblers get scammed when they deposit to the casino and when they requested a withdrawal then the casino won't pay the gamblers who wants to withdraw their funds/winnings.

not all such experiences are the fault of casinos looking to cheat gamblers. In some of the more common cases, withdrawals are held or the gambler's account ban occurs due to the gambler's fault. they don't read the casino rules, and they just deposit their money and play against the rules. like using a VPN or playing with multiple accounts at the same time.
if that's the case, who is scammed? gambler or casino?

On the examples you are giving no one got scammed, the player ignored the rules and a such their account got terminated as specified on the TOS of the casino, they may not like it, they may say it is a scam but you cannot open an account at any casino without admitting to them that you have read their TOS, and if you do so without actually doing it then that is your problem, from that moment on casinos can apply their rules to you and if you break them then it is natural you will suffer the consequences.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on April 08, 2023, 01:01:04 PM

Gamblers get scammed when they deposit to the casino and when they requested a withdrawal then the casino won't pay the gamblers who wants to withdraw their funds/winnings.

not all such experiences are the fault of casinos looking to cheat gamblers. In some of the more common cases, withdrawals are held or the gambler's account ban occurs due to the gambler's fault. they don't read the casino rules, and they just deposit their money and play against the rules. like using a VPN or playing with multiple accounts at the same time.
if that's the case, who is scammed? gambler or casino?

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Quote from: KaizenJujustsu on March 31, 2023, 09:12:32 AM

I am just curious about how does online casino pay for their promotion on their influencers? Where does their earning comes from? How will you get scammed when you try online casino? How can you tell that online casino is safe?

If you use internet services, especially online casinos, of course no one can guarantee you are 100% safe, the internet can suddenly disappear and reappear, as well as online casinos.

That's why don't put your money on the internet or online casino in the old method, you deposit a bet, if you win withdraw money as soon as possible, that way at least you can overcome a few things that you don't want, that's how you manage to be safe yourself, including online casinos.

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The casinos earnings are from the gamblers who gambled on their casino. It is also where they will earn their profit (house edge) and the remaining will be added on their bankroll that will be used to pay their gamblers when someone withdraw their balance or funds from the casino. How gamblers get scammed?. Gamblers get scammed when they deposit to the casino and when they requested a withdrawal then the casino won't pay the gamblers who wants to withdraw their funds/winnings.

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It depends on your risk tolerance; you need to understand that gambling is primarily for the thrill of getting a dopamine rush, rather than actually winning money. Gambling can never be a reliable way to make a profit

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Quote from: Solosanz on April 08, 2023, 10:36:11 AM

Quote from: gunhell16 on April 08, 2023, 10:19:04 AM

So there should be a law on the promotion of casino gambling apps online in a very responsible way so that even minors are aware of this aspect of gambling just by using a cellphone that even a small amount can be gambled on casino online.

So you're asking every gambler need to verify their account first before they can gamble? some of casinos already do this, but it will not stop an unlicensed casino which let their gambler to play without need to verify their account. Verifying an account could minimize minor to gamble, but it doesn't stop minor to gamble because he can silently grab the ID card of his parent and registering with his dad ID.

If so, this requires adult supervision so they can keep an eye on their children so they never try to play gambling, let alone register with their father's ID. Even though this is difficult to do because their children can access the casino easily, parents can at least reduce their worries by watching it. But online casinos can provide greater risks than offline casinos because someone can visit online casinos without anyone knowing, let alone children who already know how to use their cellphones for various things.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on April 08, 2023, 10:19:04 AM

So there should be a law on the promotion of casino gambling apps online in a very responsible way so that even minors are aware of this aspect of gambling just by using a cellphone that even a small amount can be gambled on casino online.

So you're asking every gambler need to verify their account first before they can gamble? some of casinos already do this, but it will not stop an unlicensed casino which let their gambler to play without need to verify their account. Verifying an account could minimize minor to gamble, but it doesn't stop minor to gamble because he can silently grab the ID card of his parent and registering with his dad ID.

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well that's it, clear goals.
so casinos spend more money to advertise their casinos and publicize promotions, it's because of the clear aim of getting bigger profits.
by means of this influencer, they can ensure that the promotion that is spread will really work well, I mean if it is brought by a well-known and reputable influencer, of course the casino will also get the same trust as all that.
even big casinos usually pay influencers huge sums to get something the casinos have planned.

Yup, by means of good marketing the chance of bringing more gamblers to use the services of the house, they allocated decent amount of budget to make sure that they will get the outcome that they intended to have, more on how to work with what the gambler needs and likes to make sure that they will gain the attentions and a possibility to bring them in and play their favorite games.

Always a gamble in terms of bringing different types of people and also to compete with different types of business competitions. They are aware that in anyhow, there's always a risk when putting up a business like this.

Exactly like what I said before, when a casino is promoted by a well-known influencer, the casino will gain the trust of the users. After all, this is a business, so to build a business, patterns like this are needed. Casinos will also think long and hard about committing fraud, because they have many names at stake, such as influencers who promote them. Just imagine if a casino promoted by their famous influencer commits fraud, what will happen to that influencer? very detrimental right? this is a symbiotic relationship of mutualism between casinos and influencers, they don't want to harm each other.

- A well-known influencer who will promote a casino gambling has a really big impact, that's true. But like you said, when a casino does something bad, of course the influencers will also be affected by their illegal actions.

But most of the time nowadays, in truth, there are also many influencers who are liars and seriously hype their viewers when they promote a casino platform on social media, because they say it's a sure win even though it's not like that in any casino platform industry. .

Influencers are also aiming for the money that they'll going to earn from the casino, I'm not generalizing it but there are influencers who are not doing the right research with the casino site that they are promoting they are allowing the business being promoted using their accounts, most of the time the social accounts that being followed and view by people who trusting them.

It's not good for followers as the casino owner can just runaway after gathering deposits and influencers are not going to be blamed. They will just pretend that they will also be a victim.

You are right in what you said, I understand what you mean here, all the influencers who promoted the casino are the ones who feel like victims of the casino in the end, even if we say they are paid and they have benefited from their followers.

So there should be a law on the promotion of casino gambling apps online in a very responsible way so that even minors are aware of this aspect of gambling just by using a cellphone that even a small amount can be gambled on casino online.

so it is not only risk that those who try can get here but also the destruction of their lives can happen and they don't think about the risk of gambling because they always say that you are sure here no matter what gambling it is.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on April 08, 2023, 12:19:58 AM

A great deal of influencers are not going to care about where the money comes from as long as they get paid, and this is sad as they allow themselves to be used by casinos with poor reputation which eventually will scam anyone that is willing to follow their advice.

And then when they have to suffer the backlash they will pretend that it was not their fault, however no matter how influential they believe themselves to be, things will get to a point in which the people that got scammed will finally realize the truth and they will keep complaining about their past actions and eventually they will have to leave that profession behind.

Fair point. This is same scenario in our country. Influencers keeps advertising new casino even if it doesn’t have any license by our Pagcor and they do this blatantly on their live stream despite they have an under age view since the nature of their original content is gaming.

Aside from the source of money, they didn’t care too on the welfare of their viewers without thinking how dangerous the things they are promoting.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on April 08, 2023, 12:19:58 AM

A great deal of influencers are not going to care about where the money comes from as long as they get paid, and this is sad as they allow themselves to be used by casinos with poor reputation which eventually will scam anyone that is willing to follow their advice.

As well we have had a typical example of such influencers here promoting casino already flagged as scam because of not being transparent to clear allegation of scam against them but they are also able to hire accounts to influence their site despite being flagged and yet some are playing under them. Such players are to be blamed for not doing proper research if anything goes wrong with their winning.

Quote from: wxa7115 on April 08, 2023, 12:19:58 AM

And then when they have to suffer the backlash they will pretend that it was not their fault, however no matter how influential they believe themselves to be, things will get to a point in which the people that got scammed will finally realize the truth and they will keep complaining about their past actions and eventually they will have to leave that profession behind.

A casino that is not licensed will hardly redeem complaints of players if abinitio they have the intention of playing a fast one on gamblers, so this buttress the point of playing in reputable casino with honest positive reviews.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 07, 2023, 10:01:03 AM

Influencers are also aiming for the money that they'll going to earn from the casino, I'm not generalizing it but there are influencers who are not doing the right research with the casino site that they are promoting they are allowing the business being promoted using their accounts, most of the time the social accounts that being followed and view by people who trusting them.

It's not good for followers as the casino owner can just runaway after gathering deposits and influencers are not going to be blamed. They will just pretend that they will also be a victim.

A great deal of influencers are not going to care about where the money comes from as long as they get paid, and this is sad as they allow themselves to be used by casinos with poor reputation which eventually will scam anyone that is willing to follow their advice.

And then when they have to suffer the backlash they will pretend that it was not their fault, however no matter how influential they believe themselves to be, things will get to a point in which the people that got scammed will finally realize the truth and they will keep complaining about their past actions and eventually they will have to leave that profession behind.

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Every casino that has collaborations with influencers, especially those with influence and big names, the payment they will receive is not small. I don't know exactly, what the mechanism is and how much they are paid. logically, casinos that use the services of influencers or streamers, they have the financial logistics for their part of the casino's marketing, I mean, established casinos have a sound financial condition. therefore, they are able to use the services of Influencers to promote their casino. after all, casinos make huge profits from the gamblers who become their casino customers.

However, if you have the intention to set up an online casino. at the very least, you must have financial logistics that are quite fantastic to finance the casino operations that you have.
Well, if you have worries about being cheated when trying to play at an online casino, you must choose a trusted casino. In our community, there are many trusted casinos that have a reputation. you can explore to find out and gain experience. last question, like the other members said. You can check the age of the casino, looking for all the relevant information. plus, find out what track record they have in terms of reputation.

If the influencer is famous enough, the pay isn't going to be small. If the casino can afford them, it's a sign that the casino has lots of funds. Now the OP ask if where did they get such funds? It maybe from their own pocket or from their investors? A good amount of money is important in a casino business but I think in other businesses as well. That is one of the steps to grow and be successful.

There are many ways to get scammed in an online casino but one of the best thing to avoid all of it, is to avoid signing up and depositing money in a suspicious casino. This forum is a good reference to find out legit and scam casinos. I wouldn't trust any random review sites outside and I think even Trustpilot can also be faked now easily.

They base the payment maybe based on the number of followers that an influencer has. The more followers the influencer has, the higher the funds that they will allocate for it. Since it's part of their marketing strategy, they surely allocate enough from their business earnings to pay for it.
There are still scam casinos that exist until now but compared to the old times, it's now easier to determine whether a casino is legit or not. I agree that this forum is a big help and reference to check the legitimacy of casinos.

I really like the option of influencers, but I also start to think, isn't it stronger or better for a community to make and focus on that community defending the casino to the death? Paying an influencer is good, maybe you get followers and players for the casino, but if they do the strategy of a project that before when I started they gave money for making contributions in an internal forum, and that developed such a large community that the project was highly defended, it only fell apart when they began to treat their workers badly.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on April 07, 2023, 03:45:46 AM

Online casino has their own budget coming from their capital in promotions like hiring influencers to promote their casino and most of the casino has this when they are lunching their platform but for those who are established casino they get mostly it from their profit. Also to prevent getting scammed in online casino it is better to find forums like this and ask question about those casino because you know if you search in google most of the results their are not that true as they are also getting paid to review the casino in 5 star.

Yes that is it. A casino without a budget is not ready yet to start or launch the casino online. A casino must work the budget at hand first before using or adding the profit from gamblers to add up and to boost up the business. But if they are not capable of sponsoring themselves then they can affiliated to some influential individual or companies for assistance. Or they can contact some investors to support them. Those stars that rated by users in the internet are self sponsored stars. If anyone is looking for good casino, the person can find it here in the service board and and also in the service announcement board.

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I am just curious about how does online casino pay for their promotion on their influencers? Where does their earning comes from? How will you get scammed when you try online casino? How can you tell that online casino is safe?

Online casinos typically have a budget for advertising and marketing, including partnerships with influencers or affiliates who promote their platform to their followers in exchange for compensation. This compensation can take various forms, including a commission for players who sign up through the influencer's unique referral link, flat fees for sponsored posts, or revenue share agreements based on the performance of the influencer's promotions. The earnings of online casinos come from the revenue generated by players who participate in their games. This revenue can come from various sources, such as the house edge on games like slots or blackjack, fees charged for certain transactions, or commissions on sports betting.
Several factors must be considered to ensure that an online casino is safe. First, provide a reputable regulatory body that licenses the platform; Second, look for venues that use secure encryption technology to protect your personal and financial information. Third, read the terms and conditions carefully to understand the platform's deposits, withdrawals, and bonus policies. Finally, check online reviews and forums to see what other players say about their experiences with the platform.

absolutely correct we all know that Once business man decided to build a casino he/she have a plan to be set. Like for example in marketing strategy they must have a budget for that because it is a part of a plan to introduce their platform in order to have many gamblers or a players want to play with them. Like you said above mate the most popular nowadays in marketing strategy is they offer to some influencer to introduce their casino to their followers.

From the first when the casino owner had planned to create a new casino, that's when the casino had started taking all the risks that it would get.
Such as having to be able to have a large budget to promote and advertise the casino in several places and hire influencers to bring the casino to the public and be recognized by everyone.
Even though the casino is taking too much risk, the casino owner has planned everything to still be able to get from all the plans that have been made.

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Quote from: len01 on April 06, 2023, 05:01:14 AM

well that's it, clear goals.
so casinos spend more money to advertise their casinos and publicize promotions, it's because of the clear aim of getting bigger profits.
by means of this influencer, they can ensure that the promotion that is spread will really work well, I mean if it is brought by a well-known and reputable influencer, of course the casino will also get the same trust as all that.
even big casinos usually pay influencers huge sums to get something the casinos have planned.

Yup, by means of good marketing the chance of bringing more gamblers to use the services of the house, they allocated decent amount of budget to make sure that they will get the outcome that they intended to have, more on how to work with what the gambler needs and likes to make sure that they will gain the attentions and a possibility to bring them in and play their favorite games.

Always a gamble in terms of bringing different types of people and also to compete with different types of business competitions. They are aware that in anyhow, there's always a risk when putting up a business like this.

Exactly like what I said before, when a casino is promoted by a well-known influencer, the casino will gain the trust of the users. After all, this is a business, so to build a business, patterns like this are needed. Casinos will also think long and hard about committing fraud, because they have many names at stake, such as influencers who promote them. Just imagine if a casino promoted by their famous influencer commits fraud, what will happen to that influencer? very detrimental right? this is a symbiotic relationship of mutualism between casinos and influencers, they don't want to harm each other.

- A well-known influencer who will promote a casino gambling has a really big impact, that's true. But like you said, when a casino does something bad, of course the influencers will also be affected by their illegal actions.

But most of the time nowadays, in truth, there are also many influencers who are liars and seriously hype their viewers when they promote a casino platform on social media, because they say it's a sure win even though it's not like that in any casino platform industry. .

Influencers are also aiming for the money that they'll going to earn from the casino, I'm not generalizing it but there are influencers who are not doing the right research with the casino site that they are promoting they are allowing the business being promoted using their accounts, most of the time the social accounts that being followed and view by people who trusting them.

It's not good for followers as the casino owner can just runaway after gathering deposits and influencers are not going to be blamed. They will just pretend that they will also be a victim.

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well that's it, clear goals.
so casinos spend more money to advertise their casinos and publicize promotions, it's because of the clear aim of getting bigger profits.
by means of this influencer, they can ensure that the promotion that is spread will really work well, I mean if it is brought by a well-known and reputable influencer, of course the casino will also get the same trust as all that.
even big casinos usually pay influencers huge sums to get something the casinos have planned.

Yup, by means of good marketing the chance of bringing more gamblers to use the services of the house, they allocated decent amount of budget to make sure that they will get the outcome that they intended to have, more on how to work with what the gambler needs and likes to make sure that they will gain the attentions and a possibility to bring them in and play their favorite games.

Always a gamble in terms of bringing different types of people and also to compete with different types of business competitions. They are aware that in anyhow, there's always a risk when putting up a business like this.

Exactly like what I said before, when a casino is promoted by a well-known influencer, the casino will gain the trust of the users. After all, this is a business, so to build a business, patterns like this are needed. Casinos will also think long and hard about committing fraud, because they have many names at stake, such as influencers who promote them. Just imagine if a casino promoted by their famous influencer commits fraud, what will happen to that influencer? very detrimental right? this is a symbiotic relationship of mutualism between casinos and influencers, they don't want to harm each other.

- A well-known influencer who will promote a casino gambling has a really big impact, that's true. But like you said, when a casino does something bad, of course the influencers will also be affected by their illegal actions.

But most of the time nowadays, in truth, there are also many influencers who are liars and seriously hype their viewers when they promote a casino platform on social media, because they say it's a sure win even though it's not like that in any casino platform industry. .

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I am just curious about how does online casino pay for their promotion on their influencers? Where does their earning comes from? How will you get scammed when you try online casino? How can you tell that online casino is safe?

Have you made any research about how casino operates before asking this question?

Casino is one of the profitable business so as long as the casino manages to attract users they will be able to make more profits because house edge always favours the casino sides for most of the games. However the casino also needs to have enough resources to pay for the winners incase the winning amount exceeded their profits to keep their business alive.

Regulated online casinos are safe because it's under the guidelines of license provider so don't think something we do online will become scam.

Unless there's something internally that creates issue within the business, maybe we can consider that they can turn to something that will not favor the gambler, but as long as the company is working accordingly and they are actively working with their participant and end users, we assume that they will not risk anything to scam out as they know that establishing a gambling business will always give them the favoring side to continually earned from gamblers deposit money.

You are right, and more reason why it is safer to gamble with full confidence, only on casinos that are already well established, with lots of customers world wide and good number of partnerships too, as chances or probability of such casinos playing tricks on its customers is very low, not to talk of them turning into a full fledged scam, except like you said, something goes wrong internally which the casino management couldnt handle or control.

I am always very comfortable gambling on big casinos, than I am gambling on smaller casino, let's say for example, I could deposit any amount of money to my stake.com account, having the confidence it's very safe there, but each time I have to gamble on a smaller casino, I have a set limit to the amount of money I could deposit there, I can not deposit an amount I can't afford to lose, just incase anything goes wrong while my money is in there.

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