Is poverty a lack of money? - page 11.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

Some definitions have been made according to the general majority. We can also say that money does not work by giving an example of a community that does not need money. But what we said is not true. Many things are shaped by the needs of the majority.

This is a question that can be answered differently from different angles. For the people you give examples of, money and poverty have nothing to do with it, but for most of today's societies, money and poverty are directly related. Also, just because you don't need money now doesn't mean you won't need it later. Sometimes we may need things we don't have, or we may discover that we have a different need.

We need money to buy many things we need today. If we can't get something we need, then we are poor. In general, this is the result.

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Quote from: FrozenBit on June 14, 2023, 04:50:22 PM

I want to say that material money is not a measure of a person's wealth or poverty, and lack of money to spend in other stages of life is not necessarily a measure of a person's poverty. With knowledge, good spirit, full health, ... then that person will not be poor, it's just that they have not fulfilled their opportunity with life. There are different values in life, which I find quite contradictory and repeated because of lack of understanding, many people who lack money keep trying despite many things to achieve their goals, and then looking back they lack love mental health and may gradually lose health. A circle of things that people get stuck in, when a person is satisfied with the life they have, they will never feel poor, the poverty that is attributed to them.

You're right, it's a vicious cycle we're all going through. But I will not agree with you that, having knowledge, spirit, health...but without money, unable to meet daily needs, that person is bound to be poor. Life's needs are not just enough to eat as OP said, or as you say, need health. Look at how the rich live, and you will know whether we are rich or poor.

We all have greed, but when we don't achieve that ambition, we are satisfied with what we have and change our conception of wealth. But that's only true for us, not for society.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

It depends on how we define it. And we will have to make them, otherwise everyone will have one in their head and this is a semantic definition.

If you have everything you need to survive, and I mean that you can eat enough to cover your nutritional needs, you live in a house, you have clothes and you can use means of transport if you need them, I understand that you are not poor.

What happens is that nowadays poverty is usually measured as a ratio, and the income of a country is taken, and whoever is in the lowest 20% of income is considered poor, despite the fact that he covers the needs mentioned above and lives much better than a poor person in the 19th century.

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Quote from: terencio on June 14, 2023, 11:35:12 AM

You make an interesting point about poverty being relative to one’s needs and not just money. I agree that some people can live happily without money if they have access to natural resources and a supportive community. However, I wonder how you would define poverty in terms of other aspects, such as education, health, or human rights.

The definition of poverty in the three aspects you asked about is actually very broad because the aspects of education, health and human rights are more directed to how a country is led by a good government with development for these three aspects. Because education will look inadequate when called poor, so does health. As for human rights, this is more about how the government provides space for the public or the community to convey suggestions from them and be able to receive good input from the public.

This means that money poverty is also a very important aspect and cannot be separated from the three aspects you mentioned. Because someone who has little finances will not be able to get a higher education and will not be able to find more decent health in his life even though his human rights have been fulfilled. And for certain natural resources and communities, it is only a technical part that can be used to support a more prosperous society because natural resources that are managed and processed properly can also provide extraordinary results and make everyone move away from poverty.

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Poverty isn't the lack of money. I agree, poverty is failing to meet one's needs. And to meet one's needs, one doesn't have to have money. As a matter of fact, there are so many place where I've been where people don't have much money, but they have all the things that they basically need. They have a decent house, abundant nutritious food, decent clothing, and so on. But what they don't have are modern technologies. They don't have air conditioners, smart televisions, laptop, microwave oven, refrigerators, and so forth. But I don't consider them poor.

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Poverty essentially is the lack of capability to purchase services and products that would help sustain a livable and fulfilling life. Of course it includes the lack of money and inarguably it's the primary vector for recognizing if a person/nation is impoverished or not. Now there's also other factors to look at like financial literacy, economic status, even family member count, wherein all of these play a delicate balancing act in order to make sure one lives above the poverty line.

You make a sound point about not needing money and persisting, but if we're talking about being poor here we can't rule out contentment as a factor cause every poor person who gave up on life and stayed making ends meet just to get by will probably say at one point in their lives that they are contented, when we all know from a subjective perspective that they are living a subpar life compared to the modern standards of living.

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In that case no one is poor. People are happy only when they have what they need to live. So I agree with your words. A person is happy only when he has food and medical care.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

In my opinion, the views on poverty can be different for each person depending on which viewpoint he sees, because of course poverty is not only about money, even though lack of money is the main factor in being called poor.

But for me to see poverty is a situation where a person does not have enough to meet basic needs. living in true poverty is one where they do not have adequate access to resources, education, employment, or health services. With structural poverty like this, it is a difficult reality to live in poverty. And vice versa, if someone fulfills access to all of that even though they don't have a lot of money they are not considered poor because they have met their basic needs in life.

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In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

I don't think that you could be considered as poor if you have everything to survive. You might not wealthy but if you know how to make use of the resources and know how to appreciate them, then it's for you to look at the brighter side of your situation rather than see what you don't have. Some people are contented with their lives since they are surviving through natural resources because they can also make a living out of it.
If you have the resources and still having a hard time surviving, then you are not poor but lazy. Some people, despite having all the blessings in front of them, still see what they lack instead of appreciating what they have. The financial status of a person still relies on their mindset and their level of perception. We aren't privileged but we can still find ways to survive and make a living and if we want to change our status, we should work and grind hard.

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Quote from: Ndabagi01 on June 14, 2023, 04:49:36 PM

Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

This is determined by the individual's point of view and how they perceive the world around them in general. We have people of various rank and classes whom they all belonged to. What a rich person views as poverty and being unable to purchase certain things is what an average man sees as being adequately wealthy. And what the average man owns and considers himself to be poor is also what the poor man considers to be adequately wealthy. It is a continuous process since all fingers are not equal.

Everyone has a distinct definition of what it means to be wealthy or poor, and I believe that everyone's point of view should be respected because it deals with the economic responsibility and dependence of human life. Being poor is more commonly associated with lack of money, and to the layman, this should be the true definition of poverty.

Yes, you are the ones who could find out whether you are on this situation or condition on which you do consider yourself on being poor. Literally speaking about poor is on living on a house which it isnt really that something that arrange or something you can really call it out specially you do find it out these houses under the bridges and other streets which they are way too small.

The people living there does also have that lacking of personal needs and other living expenses specially on having a complete meal in a day which some people do really lack on that.
In speaking about your own point of view then there are people who do see that they arent poor, it is really just that they dont really have the money on spending into something or
really just that right for their day to day living .

The important thing on here is that there's should be no discrimination in between rich and poor people. Poverty is a global problem on which even on 1st world
countries on which there are still whose are poor.

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I want to say that material money is not a measure of a person's wealth or poverty, and lack of money to spend in other stages of life is not necessarily a measure of a person's poverty. With knowledge, good spirit, full health, ... then that person will not be poor, it's just that they have not fulfilled their opportunity with life. There are different values in life, which I find quite contradictory and repeated because of lack of understanding, many people who lack money keep trying despite many things to achieve their goals, and then looking back they lack love mental health and may gradually lose health. A circle of things that people get stuck in, when a person is satisfied with the life they have, they will never feel poor, the poverty that is attributed to them.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

This is determined by the individual's point of view and how they perceive the world around them in general. We have people of various rank and classes whom they all belonged to. What a rich person views as poverty and being unable to purchase certain things is what an average man sees as being adequately wealthy. And what the average man owns and considers himself to be poor is also what the poor man considers to be adequately wealthy. It is a continuous process since all fingers are not equal.

Everyone has a distinct definition of what it means to be wealthy or poor, and I believe that everyone's point of view should be respected because it deals with the economic responsibility and dependence of human life. Being poor is more commonly associated with lack of money, and to the layman, this should be the true definition of poverty.

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Poverty is a state of mind, a rich man can travel miles to give a poor man money, if the poor man has what he needs. In that situation the poor man can control the rich man as long as he wants, until he hands over the item or information to the rich man. Nobody on Earth possess everything, some have money, while others have food, pastures and livestocks like Op stated. The person with money needs those things and would do everything to get them with his money. They is a saying that “you can only be weather-wise or otherwise". A person can't hold it all. Everyone can be said to be rich and poor in their own capacity. Health is the best wealth.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

You know, literally "When you don't have money and it's hard to get a lot of money, you're poor" Maybe it depends on the individual what he believes about this matter. Not everyone wants to be rich and poor.

Now, to your question if you are a rich person, are you poor? If you're the kind of person who doesn't know how to be content with life, that means even if you're rich if you're not satisfied with the life you have, that's a difficult situation. Because in our time today, many rich people save wealth here on earth, but no one saves wealth in heaven, and there are others who, even though the situation in this world is difficult, are able to save wealth in heaven.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

We know that standard of living would really be depending on how many you do possess not only with those basic casual stuffs inside of a home or to those things which are considered basic needs but also in

life possessions on which the more you do have the higher the status you do have in a certain community. Yes,if you could eat up 3x a day and having that your own home and living up peacefully then it wont really be considered to be poor but in todays standard on which if you do make out some comparison in between to those who do live on big houses and lots of food on their fridge and have lots of cars
and lots of properties and business then you could say and see about its gap.

Life is never been equal on which there's always those people who are really that sitting on the top of the chain and there are those ones who are really that sitting below
but at least on this life which challenges and struggles is always been that part. To those who do work hard and some mix of luck does really be able to improve their status of living.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

Definitely not. It’s just that you are incapable or you lack the ability to make it work. Poverty is not just all about with money, but it also means the resources around you that you can always take advantage to but you chose not to because you have poor mindset. While rich people have been seeing a lot of opportunities around and try to take an edge over them, poor people believe they don’t deserve it so they stay where they are and just be contented on what they are currently doing, where they are comfortable and have been used to it.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

I believe that there are different kinds of poverty. Some kinds of poverty are caused by a broken mindset, other kinds are caused by external forces which we have no control over. Many people are rash in blaming the poor for their circumstances but sometimes having money does not help if the person who owns it is mentally incapable of handling it.

But I also think the way we think about money as a medium of taking advantage of others needs to end.

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Actually these days money is very important and those who don't have any money are considered as poor because for farming a portion of land is needed so for buying land money is needed also some people are not able to cultivate themselves so they need to complete the process with the help of money.

I don't think that without money the needs of a person can be fulfilled because there are lots of things which cannot be possible without money. For eating, drinking, travelling and many other activities a man needs money and those who are poor are unable to maintain a healthy and satisfied life.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

Theoretically you don't need money in the example you've given, but you can guarantee that the land that they have control over has a certain value and that any resources they're able to extract from it may be exchanged and traded in a similar value to money. In most modern societies though, you'll find it tough to exist without money and the abilities it provides you to survive. Try being poor in a place like India and you won't have access to such resources as you described. You would have to find another way to make money or you would be in absolute poverty.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

In this case, it would be worthwhile to separate the concept of poverty and the concept of freedom. Because if you have housing, you can feed yourself and you have the benefits of civilization, then you can hardly be called poor, but are you free in this case?

Another question is what is more valuable to you, prosperity or freedom?
If you value freedom more, then you can go to live in the village and be provided with everything you need, you will have a house, you will have a household that will provide you with food and you will be absolutely free, since you will not need to go to work, you will be free but you won't have much money. It all depends on you, what is important to you, what you value more. There is no single right choice.

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