Is poverty a lack of money? - page 9.

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Quote from: abaeze on June 16, 2023, 01:25:25 PM

I appreciate you.I see many people can't full fill their fundamental rights but they stay in well decorated house.some people i also seen consume three time sufficient food but they stay in mud made house and they use horse and donkey for communication.Their children go to school by walking.They live happy life and they don’t want expensive car,Building and luxury lifestyle.

Actually, it's not that they don't want luxury cars or buildings that are more livable and an extraordinary lifestyle, but they just haven't been able to get it all so they prefer to enjoy what they have or what they currently have. So that other people see that they can live happily just by having that kind of thing, even though they are also struggling to make their life look better than it already is even though they don't reveal this to other people for now.

So don't judge something just by looking at it, but try to ask them directly so you can find out what they are feeling and also what they are struggling for in their life. After all, very few people in this world are comfortable living in poor conditions, unless they are really forced to enjoy what they currently have.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

Poverty for me is the current state of a person. When a person keeps his daily routine without having any sideline it will remain in his status. Poverty is an illness that can be cure, by hardwork and some other stuff. But I admit it also depends on the country he lives in it also take part in this thing. Sometimes poor people are hardworker but then their hardwork can sustain them yes but for limited time only, some people cannot sustain their needs even tho having a work, this usually happen in 3rd world countries. So yes, poverty is lack of money and resources.

But we know that there are people who are really that get contented on what they do currently have on which they dont really have any plans on progressing out themselves in terms of finances but rather they

would just simply put still and would really be contented on that condition on which money is lacking and their status do remain on being poor. Well, its not really that we could really be able to force them on what are the things that they should do because even ourselves we are really that finding that way on having or getting that financial freedom via means on doing or engaging into different things which could bring
out some profits and this is something that we should really be doing in the first place. Lack of money? Who is the one not wishing to have lots?

It is really just basing or depending on how well you would be able to find on getting various sources or acquiring them via having some extra job or having investments.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. .....Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

There are two types of poverty, one is absolute poverty and other is relative poverty.
Absolute Poverty:
It's like when you do not even have the necassary things such as food, shelter and clothes etc
Relative Poverty:
It's like when you have everything but you live in a society where people are living abetter life then you and standard of your living in relative to them is lower.

According to your question, Yes, we are still poor because poverty mean poor but in this case you are relative poor as you started to compare yourself with other members of society which in my thought we all should avoid and live a happy life with equality regardless of any rank and standard. Now it's up to you to decide in which category one lies according to there conditions.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

Poverty for me is the current state of a person. When a person keeps his daily routine without having any sideline it will remain in his status. Poverty is an illness that can be cure, by hardwork and some other stuff. But I admit it also depends on the country he lives in it also take part in this thing. Sometimes poor people are hardworker but then their hardwork can sustain them yes but for limited time only, some people cannot sustain their needs even tho having a work, this usually happen in 3rd world countries. So yes, poverty is lack of money and resources.

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Poverty is kind of lack in money. How does it happens? Mostly due to the financial policies and other governance factors that favour the growth of specific group of people and not the bottom end. When money gets accumulated in few hands automatically there'll be high imbalance in the financial distribution. This improper governance cause various problems at the bottom level, particularly the cost of living, unemployment, improper salary, lack of benefits from the government, etc. Poverty can be ended only if the governments make plans and work on it. Different countries have different scale to measure poverty.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on June 15, 2023, 05:46:49 AM

Those who do not need to buy daily necessities are not poor because they are producing daily necessities. Many of us think that all those involved in agriculture are poor, but agriculture does not mean being poor. There are many farmers who grow all kinds of crops and export their produce to different places to meet their own needs. It is wrong to think that just because they live in villages and are engaged in agriculture, they will be poor.

Yes when various workplaces were declared closed due to covid 19 many people came back from cities to villages to lead a normal life. Because they moved from the city to the village thinking that they will spend their lives in the village. So agriculture is not a poor profession.

It is a fact that your lack of money brings poverty. Poverty makes adequate nutrition, shelter, quality education impossible, stresses people out of fear of not being able to pay debts and bills, and destroys health and happiness. He level of education decreases and the level of violence increases with poverty. I can blame a meager sum of money for all of this. You can be a farmer and consume what you cultivate but life may not be like this forever. If you want to provide a good education for your children, get a good life and health care, you need to earn enough money.

And for children the long term mental health effects of poverty are even more worrying. Exposing their families to intense stress and trauma due to poverty triggers harmful stress hormones that permanently affect children's brain development and even their genes. It limits not only their physical development but also their intelligence and learning capacities. If you want to preserve your generation you must be rich. Unfortunately the harsh realities of life.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on June 14, 2023, 03:28:22 AM

If someone can not meetup with the basic needs of life, the person is poor. It is not about if the person is agrarian or living in a well developed city.

I appreciate you.I see many people can't full fill their fundamental rights but they stay in well decorated house.some people i also seen consume three time sufficient food but they stay in mud made house and they use horse and donkey for communication.Their children go to school by walking.They live happy life and they don’t want expensive car,Building and luxury lifestyle.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

There's no one who lives without money. There's always something that's generally accepted as means of exchange within every community. Whatever that's, it's money. It doesn't need to be paper/fiat.

However, poverty isn't the lack of physical money. It's a mental state ingrained in the mind and that's why you can't take certain people out of that state no matter how hard you try. Lack of money is brokenness and it's subject to fluctuations. This same state changes from time to time, good to bad and vice versa.

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Quote from: lixer on June 16, 2023, 12:12:12 PM

Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

Poverty is when your needs are not completely fulfilled and you can't fulfill them because you don't have enough money or resources for it. If you don't have money but you have everything, and by everything I mean everything that you need in your life, you would probably not call yourself poor because you got everything you need and not only food and water, because we all know that we need way more than that.

So it depends on your personal needs and satisfaction level, if you are totally satisfied with what you have and you feel you need nothing at all in your life other than what you have, you are not poor, but if there is a gap somewhere out there, you are living in poverty.

Yes, I agree with this, but the problem now is that many people think money is everything, for example, if we don't have money, what can we do to meet our daily needs? In fact, if we see that our life needs are met without involving money, then that's fine. But once again now is the era where everything involves money.
Theoretically, people who are still able to meet their daily needs are not worthy of being called poor, because by definition a poor person is someone who is unable to make ends meet.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

Poverty is when your needs are not completely fulfilled and you can't fulfill them because you don't have enough money or resources for it. If you don't have money but you have everything, and by everything I mean everything that you need in your life, you would probably not call yourself poor because you got everything you need and not only food and water, because we all know that we need way more than that.

So it depends on your personal needs and satisfaction level, if you are totally satisfied with what you have and you feel you need nothing at all in your life other than what you have, you are not poor, but if there is a gap somewhere out there, you are living in poverty.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

In my opinion, poverty is a comparative characteristic.

A person feels poor if the people around him are richer than he is. Every person has basic needs. This is the need for security, housing, food, water, sex, etc.

However, basic needs standards vary by country and territory. Man is a social animal. He constantly communicates with other people and compares his achievements with other people's achievements.

A person very strongly strives for a high social status, which, among other things, is measured by the income and consumption standards of each individual.

If a person is forced to be content with low standards of consumption, then he feels like a poor person and suffers a lot.

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Poverty is like a chronic disease, which they do not want to treat realistically, and try to avoid this topic, and to convince themselves "well, it's not too bad? What can we do? Nothing! Let's live like this... Our ancestors lived like this... We'll live this way... And our children will live this way..."

Poverty is caused by lack of culture, lack of education, wrong habits, lack of desire to learn/develop/work, all kinds of religious "diseases", and so on. Only the person can overcome it, if he has the WILL to change his life, and not the desire for someone to do it for him ... And very many people imagine the solution to poverty - to get a lot of money. Which then it turns out they do not know how to manage, because there is no knowledge and skills of handling and managing money.
So poverty is not a lack of money....

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We live in a community where material weakness is the thing that connects and easily ties into everyone's life, I find having money or not having money is not the way to measure poverty here. The point of view is that we recognize and impose each other, if we are not alert enough, we will be imposed by those covers in our thoughts. Looking at the problem of lack of money, the lack of knowledge, lack of joy, lack of health, ... is also considered as one of the factors of poverty, and it is not entirely related to material things. As well as achieving satisfaction I was asked what is the greatest desire? It is a desire without having to want anything more.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

Poverty is the inability to be able to provide the necessary things you need to live as a human being. Having everything you said means you're not poor because if you have food, cloth and shelter it means you don't have to beg anyone to live comfortable then you're not poor. You can sell your foodstuffs in the market and get money to send your children to school assuming you have kids and a family man.

Been poor isn't just the lack of money, it's the lack of other things that make living comfortable. When you don't have food, cloth and shelter, you can be called poor. Poverty is a mentality, we have those that have money but they lose them all because of their poor mentality.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

It depends. Having no money doesn't necessarily mean you are poor. In general if you have no money and no assets or anything that has value, no stable job and struggling to survive each day then you can categorize your situation as poor in every aspect.

On the other side, Just like in your example, In rural areas where some people are living with sufficient food and everything they need is already available, they can live without problem even without money. Because they have lands to plant, that's a valuable property that they can sell to have cash if needed. In this situation, yes they have no money but they have property in possession that has value. Hence, it depends on your status in life and the place where you're living.

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Yes, poverty is a lack of money because when you don't have money to get what you want from the community make people to see you as a poor man or woman because they have seen the evidence in you by beginning people around you for mean. But when you have money, very easy for you to get anything you want from the environment and people will see the evidence of good living in you and your entire family which is the kind of life everybody want to live on earth when money come. There are some people that have the ability to provide what they need but they are still poor in the country because they don't have the money, but it will be difficult for someone to have a huge amount of money and be poor in the society.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

There is some truth to what you say, but still there are other facts that you need to consider. Poverty doesn't always come from lack of money. If there is lack of services, resources, good quality of life, no food, no education, no roof, then yes, even though you have money, you are still living under poverty even though you have money. But the way you wrote, it sounded that money isn't needed as long as we have "everything". Even in agriculture based societies, money still plays a role. Think about the infrastructure that supports the community - clean water systems, electricity to power homes, medical services, transportation, and so on. These things generally require funding to establish and maintain. So, someone must have the "money" to buy those, and provide to the community, no? Even if individuals aren't directly handling money, somewhere along the line, there's a monetary transaction. That might be at a government level, a non-profit, or another organization supporting the infrastructure. So yeah, without "money", you can't actually survive.

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I think you "can't" have everything you need in the world. I mean not what you want, I mean "need", because the worlds needs keep growing all the time as well. You can eat pasta and rice (or whatever is cheapest food in your own town) and live in a crappy small house, and not really have too much stuff, basically you could make it as little as possible but then technology improves. Like we all need phones now, or like how its weird to think about not having a tv, or a laptop, or a tablet, something to spend time on, or not having clothes, clothes gets old, so keep getting new ones, and even tech for them improves, or something new may come up, or you may get sick and the cure could be expensive and not covered. I can name a million things, basically you can't have all that you need, sometimes you need more and certainly you want a million times more, even needs are not done, think about how what you want will be hard to achieve.

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Depends on how you percieve being poor and being rich; we do all have different lifestyles. As OP have mentioned those people or families which are living on perhaps farm wherein they have the resources for necessities, are simply not poor because they can provide the things that they want. It just so happened that their needs are not as expensive as with other people. So I'd say you are poor if you cannot provide to yourself, the things that you want such as luxurious things if that is one of your desires. Being poor does not revolve around money I believe. It is determined by the life you desire and the state of life you are living on. Problem arise due to people having high way of living but are not able to match it with their salaries. You ain't poor if you can get that education, food in the table, hospital bills if incase an emergency happen, a house, and a mindset that you are getting atleast the minimum of the life that you are wanting.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 14, 2023, 03:14:10 AM

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

Unfortunately, you can live now without money. I don't believe you will survive just having these crops on your land and relying on them without using money, I don't think so. Because in these days, money is very important and that is why people are getting crazy to have more sources of income just to have a comfortable life. Poverty is definitely a lack of money. Even those who have a job already but considering their income isn't enough to give a good living, that still belong to poverty line.

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