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legendary
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Wind_FURY, I read that you have a high degree of confidence in Core. Did you see where I explained that Gregory Maxwell was incorrect about the Ogg sound protocol he was supposed to be an expert in since he was a core developer on one of the popular codecs?

Yes I do. They have been maintaining a decentralized multibillion network and protocol, and I believe they have been doing fine in their decisions so far, apart from the critics saying that "they might break the network" in theory.

There wasn’t much they needed to do. They added cruft on top which is going to be burnt to a crisp eventually.

I would assume you mean Bitcoin's soft fork to Segwit. I have begun reading your post history to pick up some information and reach out to other smart people to find a "second opinion".

With your high IQs, do you believe that you, Mircea and rpietila would make a good replacement for the Core developers?

@rpietila ostensibly can’t even maintain his security on his laptop. He doesn’t take any interest in programming. He has a very fast, sharp mind and can for example win at casino games. He can compute complex probabilities in his head instantly.

Mircea is too wealthy to expend his time as an engineer. He can contract others to do that for him. He is capable of programming if he wants to. He has even for example written an attempted proof on an open computational NP not equal to P complexity problem:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/0411033.pdf

Yes Trilema has been running and providing the Satoshi protocol full node for years. Last of the V8s already provided the link for you. It is purposely designed to look like a site with nothing on it, so that bunny rabbits will stay on Core so they lose all their Bitcoin.

Multibillion bunny rabbits you mean. If true then they will take the whole system with them.

Are you confident that you can "make Bitcoin great again"?

Me? Not me. You mean can the Trilema (aka TMSR) Satoshi protocol full node continue to grow the Bitcoin market cap to $21 trillion by 2032 as it has been doing and never stopped doing. The Core market cap will fall away to the proximity of 0 BTC eventually. Because social justice retards.

Answer is yes.

(click that link. Bitcoin is not intended to be a transactional currency. The invariants of proof-of-work make it impossible. You are free to disagree and throw your lot with Core. I will not recapitulate again.)


Note they’re probably laughing at me for expending my time to reply to you. This is embarrassing. Let’s stop.

Them? The Core developers? If they are then I believe they might be laughing at you because they disagree with your theories. But sharing knowledge to the newbies like me is always good for the growth of the community.
legendary
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Sounds like you really went through the wringer. Glad to hear things are getting better.
And yeah, I've got a kid. I don't know if I'd want to subject her to Dengue, bad schools, etc.
It would be a good place to be single though. Lots of pretty girls who love fetishize white men.  Smiley
legendary
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By 2015, my ex had depleted my remaining $100k and I was destitute and becoming more ill stuck in poverty in Mindanao with no health insurance, no options to leave, and backwater provincial third world health care system. No family members at all who can help me with anything.

Are you still there?
My wife is from Davao. I visited once with her about 4 years ago. It was a pleasant experience. She wants to move back, but I'm quite wary. It seems the Muslim situation in Mindanao has deteriorated. She thinks Davao is insulated from that, but I'm not so sure.

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Also even if they are thinking logically their communication range can be too high for the person more than two standard deviations below them to understand. Because they’re building abstract models that are incomprehensible to those 2 or 3 standard deviations below them. So if their behavior or communication appears to be gibberish, it may actually not be.

That's true
legendary
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Core has some guys with reasonably high IQs. Maybe up in the 145 range or so. But I would roughly guess that Mircea Popescu is in the 160 - 180 IQ range. There was some brief attempt by Gregory Maxwell to grandstand in a discussion thread and Mircea Popescu wiped him with the floor. It wasn’t even close. Gregory then proceeded to STFU. He had actually banned M.P. from some discussion or something (back when M.P. was still willing to communicate outside his own IRC freenode), I forgot the details. I don’t have time to go searching for that specific discussion. The difference is akin to the digitization of flowers example I showed you (see quote below). We can presume that Mircea Popescu has surrounded himself with other such geniuses and it is unlikely they are mistaken. Note rpietila has an IQ of 167, and I have no idea what happened to my friend. I’ve been too overloaded to apply the effort into researching whether he is faking losing all his wealth or if he has mental stability problems. So by that I mean genius IQ is not the sole factor. Another issue is the socialization of the Core developers who have ostensibly adopted progressive, social justice philosophy (i.e. irrational belief in democracy and other psychosis) which thus blinds them to new objectivity of John Nash’s Ideal Money.

I would note that some geniuses and high IQ individuals have trouble communicating well verbally. Also, some don't have the debate skills, or ordered, logical thinking skills necessary. There are very few people above that ~145 IQ level who are well-rounded individuals.

Perhaps Risto is a good example of that. The last I heard, he was in a group home of some sort (a lite loony bin). It was well known that he was manic depressive. He had started his online RPG world (Crypto Kingdom), which had developed a fairly large economy (millions of real life dollars in value). For some reason, he went off his meds and everything went downhill. He lost all of his Monero, and his wife divorced him. Running Crypto Kingdom while he was in a state of mania, he began to see himself as a god. I think he was still accepting Monero, but for withdrawals, he was sending people his imaginary Crypto Kingdom fiat.
legendary
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Be a bank
2012 called and wants its lies and its stupidity back.


iiuc (unlikely) he was just being modest to provoke a reaction

mircea_popescu: does it seem to you a maybe-isp, a mmorpg, some we don't have REs and some novel length fiction warrants a 100bn valuation for the republic ?
legendary
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You mean there are allegations, but no proof of him employing sockpuppets.

There was an MP PR (i.e. public relations for Mircea Popescu) account hanging around a long time after Popescu was banned from bitcointalk.org. Come on now.


And you change your account every month. And sometimes create other accounts that use the exact same posting style, argument style and opinions in general.


Geniuses are eccentric. Yet his logic is impeccable. And apparently he had designed a Bitcoin finance/speculation system that netted him at least 0.5 million Bitcoin. That is efficient. Whilst Core developers were busy spinning their hamster wheels and trying to make Bitcoin a TPS scalable transaction coin which AFAICT is alien to the invariants of proof-of-work.

So you're both very stable geniuses? Interesting.



Some observations

There are a lot of parallels between Mircea Popescu and Anonymint. Both use alot of alt accounts. Both are full of talk and little action. Both obsessed with their intellect. Both troll as if it's an Olympic sport (it proves how smart they are, despite achieving very little of any substance).


If Mircea Popescu were to lose his life (presumably for annoying some Eastern European gangsters or something like that), I wonder what would happen to Anonymint (and his many alt accounts)? Grin
legendary
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This is off topic but how do the Bitcoin Core developers react to Mircea Popescu's statements? Do they take him seriously? Are there old topics or logs on them?

Plus what kind of node does he run if his belief is that the Bitcoin Core software today is "not Bitcoin"?

Carefully and rarely. Yes. Yes.

http://thebitcoin.foundation/ http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=trb

Wind_FURY, I read that you have a high degree of confidence in Core. Did you see where I explained that Gregory Maxwell was incorrect about the Ogg sound protocol he was supposed to be an expert in since he was a core developer on one of the popular codecs?

Yes I do. They have been maintaining a decentralized multibillion network and protocol, and I believe they have been doing fine in their decisions so far, apart from the critics saying that "they might break the network" in theory.

Plus you said you make mistakes. Gmaxwell also did, if he did. I would not know.

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Core has some guys with reasonably high IQs. Maybe up in the 145 range or so. But I would roughly guess that Mircea Popescu is in the 160 - 180 IQ range. There was some brief attempt by Gregory Maxwell to grandstand in a discussion thread and Mircea Popescu wiped him with the floor. It wasn’t even close. Gregory then proceeded to STFU. He had actually banned M.P. from some discussion or something (back when M.P. was still willing to communicate outside his own IRC freenode), I forgot the details. I don’t have time to go searching for that specific discussion. The difference is akin to the digitization of flowers example I showed you (see quote below). We can presume that Mircea Popescu has surrounded himself with other such geniuses and it is unlikely they are mistaken. Note rpietila has an IQ of 167, and I have no idea what happened to my friend. I’ve been too overloaded to apply the effort into researching whether he is faking losing all his wealth or if he has mental stability problems. So by that I mean genius IQ is not the sole factor. Another issue is the socialization of the Core developers who have ostensibly adopted progressive, social justice philosophy (i.e. irrational belief in democracy and other psychosis) which thus blinds them to new objectivity of John Nash’s Ideal Money.

With your high IQs, do you believe that you, Mircea and rpietila would make a good replacement for the Core developers?

Are you confident that you can "make Bitcoin great again"?
legendary
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Core has some guys with reasonably high IQs. Maybe up in the 145 range or so. But I would roughly guess that Mircea Popescu is in the 160 - 180 IQ range.


FYI everyone (and OT..... or is this bang on-topic? Grin)

Mircea Popescu has a confirmed penchant for swarming this board with bizarre alt accounts that he controls, and is noticeably eccentric even when performing in his own persona on his website. Very eccentric. And very, very self-absorbed, using multiple alt-accounts to control the narrative about himself seems very important to Popescu.

Anonymint is, curiously, the only person who's ever said anything positive about Mircea Popescu, except Popsecu's more obvious alt accounts. Interestingly enough.
legendary
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Be a bank
This is off topic but how do the Bitcoin Core developers react to Mircea Popescu's statements? Do they take him seriously? Are there old topics or logs on them?

Plus what kind of node does he run if his belief is that the Bitcoin Core software today is "not Bitcoin"?

Carefully and rarely. Yes. Yes.

http://thebitcoin.foundation/ http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=trb
legendary
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This is off topic but how do the Bitcoin Core developers react to Mircea Popescu's statements? Do they take him seriously? Are there old topics or logs on them?

Plus what kind of node does he run if his belief is that the Bitcoin Core software today is "not Bitcoin"?
legendary
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Some more good info from the logs:

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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and block depth. if you make segwit tx a to me at height 1 and i put it into a normal tx at block 2, i can spend it from block 3 as my bitcoin, the segwitnmess is gone out of it. to steal it from me, one has to rewind all the way to block 1 again. which is possible, but expensive as the chain builds.
mircea_popescu: now, if this is the plan it's not a very good one (you can bury a segwit tx into legitimate spending which is deep enough to not be practically reorg-able) but anyway
mircea_popescu: exactly the same play. oh, we "buy" bitcoin crash. if it takes, it's good. if it doesn't take, guess what, segwit unroll later.
member
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But still, in case something wrong happens, moving your SegWit addresses into legacy addresses (before it happens) should be enough.

I don’t understand why you think that will secure against potential SegWit theft?

If the lineage of your BTC had SegWit in it, then the hard fork can steal[accept as a donation to the protection of immunity] the lineage and thus your recent spend to a new address will be invalidated.
I'm lost with this answer, please, if you have some time eli5 this.
Because it seems to me that you are not talking about a segwit theft using anyonecanspend. You are talking about a 51% attack to rollback at august 2017. If miners are able to perform such big attack, why they can't rollback from block 1 or the height they want to doublespend all their old transactions?
legendary
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40,000 BTC is not a whale. It is a dolphin. M.P. has 500,000+ BTC for example and he isn’t even the top whale BTC whale. And apparently a dolphin that is going to get slaughtered, although it is possible the miners may decide not to accept P2SH donations from known dolphins, because it is in their interest to bring this dolphin over to the Satoshi fork if they feel they need his economic weight (he may be issued an ultimatum if he is lucky and his politics isn’t going to keep mucking with immutability otherwise he needs to be fleeced and kicked out). Also we don’t know this user is planted as a deception wherein the wealthy will simply donate their coins back to themselves:

Interesting. So who do you think is the top BTC whale nowadays? Someone made some sort of list but it was very outdated:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-top-500-richest-321265

Have you PM’ed him a link to this thread?

I don't think he browses this forum anymore or at least he doesn't log in too often, last time he logged in was to do the bet with Roger Ver, but I will send him a PM.


In some countries apparently trades to altcoins is still like-kind and not a taxable event. But in the USA that is no longer the case as of this year.

Yeah it is a mess. Most people have lost their trading records, due exchanges shutting down, or just exchanges not saving all-time records. For instance Livecoin which is an exchange used to trade smaller alts without any KYC, doesn't save records for more than 30 days, so I've lost some trades. That is a problem if you ever want to cash out into fiat whose gains were made in said lost trades.


Maybe you can ask M.P. if his TMSR is offering any solution for Bitcoin maximalists like yourself to protect themselves. Presumably a whale could mix your SegWit lineage into a huge amount of non-SegWit so miners would not accept the donation. But I think they will probably view it as not their responsibility for the mistakes of others, i.e. meritocracy.

Im not going to get involved in that personally, I think they hang out in IRC, I don't even know how to use IRC anymore, last time I used IRC it was 10 years ago, all the channels I used to visit are now dead, most people hang out in slack and discord these days, I miss the simplicity of IRC tho. Maybe someone sees the thread and asks, I don't see the problem if you are polite.
For the time being I will just keep holding my coins on legacy addresses and if someone finds out any further information on this please let us know.
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Aaahhhh.. AnonyMint. Your ability to reincarnate has activated again I see.. (I count 5 lives left) In all honesty, I cannot deny I've missed some aspects of the intellectual brutality of your posts. Still as batshit-cray-in-your-face as ever though. 

.. but if their prognostications of mass-theft were to come true

Best word!
 
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I think not. The problem is not POW. Pow as an objective un-fakeable work unit is genius. The problem is that we PAY people to accumulate POW. Centralisation is pernicious. It creeps in, slowly at first.. until it's too late.

The DAG coins have flaws, sure, but in this respect they have removed the elephant in the room.

I believe 1 Billion users could outpace a cartel, if they were mobilised in the correct way. 

Someone just needs to come up with a way of doing it (that doesn't involve some other centralised entity stitching the disparate parts together).
legendary
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Bitcoin is not intended to be a transactional currency, as supported by the fact that Satoshi intentionally left the block size fixed at 1MB (c.f. the Decentralized section of my linked blog).

It's not clear to me that satoshi willingly set 1 MB as something that was part of a bigger plan involving a dead end which would force a settlement network to take place, I believe the official statement (that is, that he lowered the 32 MB limit to 1 MB to avoid spam, temporarily). This doesn't mean I buy into the "blocks-as-big-as-needed" approach by altcoin scammers, neither im saying we need a blocksize increase.

Basically, it was set to 1MB, and by the time one wanted to increase it, it was too late, as attempts would result in ugly uncoordinated splits generating altcoins as a result. Once he set 1MB it was set in stone, the question is if he was aware of this or not back then. I believe people often overrate satoshi's long term thinking on his own creation, he was discovering what it would become along the way, with the rest of the people involved since the early days, or maybe you are right and it was part of the plan, but im not willing to clam I knew his intentions with 100% certainty.

It's worth noting that Hal Finney was aware of the "settlement network fate" back in 2010, I don't know if any other big names saw that as well. It very well could be that Hal was satoshi and he knew, but didn't want to claim that as satoshi; then again that's all speculation.

My understanding was that Hal Finney was pretty much the driving force behind the implementation of the 1MB cap.  Contrary to what anonymong is saying, Satoshi was quite reluctant to even consider the idea at first.  It was Finney's original idea to implement a limit and he had lengthy debates about it with Satoshi and Cryddit.  Finney eventually got his way and the cap was introduced.  If Satoshi and Finney were the same person, he was either a brilliant actor or a bona fide schizophrenic.  Neither seem plausible to me.  Particularly with that level of healthy discourse between them.  

I believe that, in each other, Satoshi and Finney found someone they could bounce ideas off and get the other person's perspective.  Something that isn't all that effective if you're talking to yourself.


Perma-bans are badges we wear with great pride, because they indicate we were resisting the idiocy.

a)  That's the exact opposite of what it indicates
b)  You should demonstrate your great pride by not registering 25613146 alts to flout it

I believe both arguments are equally valid:

1) Satoshi was unaware of some of the ramifications of taking certain decisions long term, he was not certain that the 1MB cap would be set in stone, but he did certainly predict people being against it:

Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale.

Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately.  Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other.  BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.

The networks need to have separate fates.  BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices.

Fears about securely buying domains with Bitcoins are a red herring.  It's easy to trade Bitcoins for other non-repudiable commodities.

If you're still worried about it, it's cryptographically possible to make a risk free trade.  The two parties would set up transactions on both sides such that when they both sign the transactions, the second signer's signature triggers the release of both.  The second signer can't release one without releasing the other.

Satoshi was/were clearly very smart, but im not sure if he had absolute knowledge of every possible outcome on a 10+ year timeline, or at least being able to predict that whatever his/their goal was would be reached.

2) Satoshi was/were absolutely aware of everything and it's all part of a big plan.

Both scenarios are possible, but we can only speculate about it.

Rothchild-grade fortunes and whatnot being involved, it could or it couldn't be. I haven't seen enough evidence personally other than speculation.

I also think anunymin shouldn't be banned again, he brings interesting points of view not often discussed. I would like to see gmaxwell, LukeJr, Adam Back, Peter Wiulle, Matt Corallo... posting here more often and less often on Reddit. As far as I remember, their stance was that the "anyonecanspend" attack would never happen due basically lack of miner incentive to do so, they consider it as an impossible out of theory.
legendary
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Bitcoin is not intended to be a transactional currency, as supported by the fact that Satoshi intentionally left the block size fixed at 1MB (c.f. the Decentralized section of my linked blog).

It's not clear to me that satoshi willingly set 1 MB as something that was part of a bigger plan involving a dead end which would force a settlement network to take place, I believe the official statement (that is, that he lowered the 32 MB limit to 1 MB to avoid spam, temporarily). This doesn't mean I buy into the "blocks-as-big-as-needed" approach by altcoin scammers, neither im saying we need a blocksize increase.

Basically, it was set to 1MB, and by the time one wanted to increase it, it was too late, as attempts would result in ugly uncoordinated splits generating altcoins as a result. Once he set 1MB it was set in stone, the question is if he was aware of this or not back then. I believe people often overrate satoshi's long term thinking on his own creation, he was discovering what it would become along the way, with the rest of the people involved since the early days, or maybe you are right and it was part of the plan, but im not willing to clam I knew his intentions with 100% certainty.

It's worth noting that Hal Finney was aware of the "settlement network fate" back in 2010, I don't know if any other big names saw that as well. It very well could be that Hal was satoshi and he knew, but didn't want to claim that as satoshi; then again that's all speculation.

My understanding was that Hal Finney was pretty much the driving force behind the implementation of the 1MB cap.  Contrary to what anonymong is saying, Satoshi was quite reluctant to even consider the idea at first.  It was Finney's original idea to implement a limit and he had lengthy debates about it with Satoshi and Cryddit.  Finney eventually got his way and the cap was introduced.  If Satoshi and Finney were the same person, he was either a brilliant actor or a bona fide schizophrenic.  Neither seem plausible to me.  Particularly with that level of healthy discourse between them. 

I believe that, in each other, Satoshi and Finney found someone they could bounce ideas off and get the other person's perspective.  Something that isn't all that effective if you're talking to yourself.


Perma-bans are badges we wear with great pride, because they indicate we were resisting the idiocy.

a)  That's the exact opposite of what it indicates
b)  You should demonstrate your great pride by not registering 25613146 alts to flout it
sr. member
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Bitcoin is not intended to be a transactional currency, as supported by the fact that Satoshi intentionally left the block size fixed at 1MB (c.f. the Decentralized section of my linked blog).

It's not clear to me that satoshi willingly set 1 MB as something that was part of a bigger plan involving a dead end which would force a settlement network to take place, I believe the official statement (that is, that he lowered the 32 MB limit to 1 MB to avoid spam, temporarily). This doesn't mean I buy into the "blocks-as-big-as-needed" approach by altcoin scammers, neither im saying we need a blocksize increase.

Basically, it was set to 1MB, and by the time one wanted to increase it, it was too late, as attempts would result in ugly uncoordinated splits generating altcoins as a result. Once he set 1MB it was set in stone, the question is if he was aware of this or not back then. I believe people often overrate satoshi's long term thinking on his own creation, he was discovering what it would become along the way, with the rest of the people involved since the early days, or maybe you are right and it was part of the plan, but im not willing to clam I knew his intentions with 100% certainty.

It's worth noting that Hal Finney was aware of the "settlement network fate" back in 2010, I don't know if any other big names saw that as well. It very well could be that Hal was satoshi and he knew, but didn't want to claim that as satoshi; then again that's all speculation.

I'm certainly no 'big blocker' and I support Core, but I agree and I very much think that Satoshi's general idea was not to keep it at 1MB, but exceed it eventually. The thing is that he had no way of knowing the reality and conditions of the future to really have an informed opinion. So either way it's totally useless to try to extrapolate whatever we think his opinions or gut feelings were back in 2009/2010. Satoshi deserves all the respect in the world, but people treating him as some sort of divine power and his writings as gospel are off their rocker so to speak.
legendary
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mircea_popescu: now, if this is the plan it's not a very good one (you can bury a segwit tx into legitimate spending which is deep enough to not be practically reorg-able) but anyway
ben_vulpes: isn't the practicality of reorg a function of segwitolade sum?
mircea_popescu: but then again usg fronts don't need a good plan, they just need A PLAN. something, at all. idiots don't read.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and block depth. if you make segwit tx a to me at height 1 and i put it into a normal tx at block 2, i can spend it from block 3 as my bitcoin, the segwitnmess is gone out of it. to steal it from me, one has to rewind all the way to block 1 again. which is possible, but expensive as the chain builds.

AFAICT, Mircea Popescu made an egregious error in that statement. He is ostensibly a literary genius but AFAICT his technological accuracy is occasionally lacking (ostensibly because he is distracted/preoccupied by porn, philosophy, boredom, and what not).

In fact I explain near the end of this post in my reply to @CoinCube, that the miners must take all the donations back to block 1, else security will never be restored.

Have you debated Mircea Popescu on this matter on IRC if you think he is wrong? This is urgent because you now got me worried as I thought lineage of coins was irrelevant as long as your coins are sitting on legacy addresses whose tx's have matured for a couple of blocks (otherwise to my understanding Bitcoin would be broken if you would be able to steal these funds).

If you are correct and lineage is relevant, then pretty much 99% of people will have losses except basically those who haven't done anything since August 2017. Around the 80% of my coins have been sitting since August 2017 and earlier, but the rest I've transacted and received some other funds (some legacy, some SegWit, but those people that paid me in SegWit I sent back to legacy thinking it was safe).

Im not going to send my coins into some shitcoin as an hedge of you being correct on lineages mattering unless it's absolutely clear that that is the case. As far as selling for fiat goes in order to buy later... im not looking forward to it. Just thinking about all the paperwork and taxes makes me an infallible hodler. You have to report every coin you've received, every transaction to exchanges (some of them collapsed and I lost trading records so im not sure how that would work), even trades from BTC into shitcoins would need to be reported, it's insane, it would take me years to get all the paperwork done and still it would be a risk that they find a small error or missing bits and they confiscate your funds.



Probably an exchange’s transaction.

I have stated that I think exchanges can possibly be bankrupted by the hard fork coming. To recapitulate again what I had already written, the exchanges may give you only Core fork tokens when you cash out of the exchange. You will not receive Satoshi fork tokens when you cash out.

No, that address is actually from a guy that has an account here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/loaded-73652

It just shows that there are whales supporting SegWit too. Btw that is only one address, he has more.
legendary
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Despite minor disagreements between people who are discussing more actively (belonging to a sect or somewhat?) here they share some common ideologically biased opinions that I don't think fit to development and technical discussion at all. Is bitcointalk under attack  Huh

One common claim which is made and repeated is about bitcoin to be some kind of a treasure and not a monetary system. I believe the way bitcoin has been treated after Satoshi by Core and practiced by gamblers and speculative investors is just what you do with a digital asset but it is frustrating when I see people dare to officially announce bitcoin not being a monetary system.

Taking advantage of current limitations and shortcomings of bitcoin that is failing to fulfil its mission as an alternative monetary system is opportunistic and hypocritical and the most disgusting semi-technical gesture ever.

It is opportunistic because instead of taking the responsibility and thinking about their obligations and duties, this people are just trying to take advantage of the situation. It is hypocritical because, they pretend to be part of an ecosystem while they aren't.

Another vague, ugly claim that has been made here is about bitcoin being doomed to centralization. A truly bold claim. Current situation with pools and ASICs is not an inherent and inevitable property of bitcoin it can be fixed and treated properly and a responsible fateful person, instead of playing such a dirty game in public sphere, should spend more time on possible technical and socio-economical steps and strategies to be taken for fixing the flaws and improving the ecosystem.

Disclaimer:
I know, it is time for the sect to come, insulting and accusing me of being this or that kind of person, deceived by media , n00b, ... I just have to warn them:
Don't expect any tolerance from my side for any brutal/trolling act. If you got something to say, just say it, don't try to fool people by your trolling skills.
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