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Quote from: CryptoPanda on November 29, 2022, 05:00:03 PM

I think you forgot to add some important information in your OP, one factor to be considered is that Russian local board was the first local board on bitcointalk. Which means they have been around for the longest time, and also considering their affinity for speaking their own language in IRL and on every online platform. Other local boards That alone is enough reason for their local board to be more active over the years than the others in the forum.

Thank you for adding an exciting piece of information about the forum that I didn't know about before. OP's findings are commendable but unfortunately 2 pieces of evidence are not convincing enough that Satoshi is Russian, if he has some activity in the local boards of Russia, we will have more convincing evidence.
But in the end, we didn't have any clue about his identity, and I found that to be a great thing. I don't know what people think but for me, his anonymity is the right thing and good for bitcoin, him and all of us.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

I do not think that Satoshi Nakamoto is a Russian, as you stated there is no concrete evidence that he is a Russian national. One thing I know, Vitalik Buterin is a Russian, see his wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitalik_Buterin

In addition from that there are also lots of cryptocurrency developers and crypto company founders that are Russian[1]
Aleksander Ivanov, founder of the Waves Platform;
Vasiliy Suvorov, a senior executive at Luxoft and one of the founders behind the Crypto Valley Association being built in Switzerland;
Alex Fork, CEO of fintech firm Humaniq;
Alex Fedoseev, CEO of 1World Online;
Siberian-turned-Australian Sergei Sergienko, the CEO of ChronoBank;
Igor Barinov, the blockchain priest at POA Network in San Francisco;
Sergei Ponomarev, CEO of SONM, to name a few.
Sergei Chekriy and his partner Yury Mukhin are two Russian entrepreneurs behind I-chain

Aside from that the government is also into integrating cryptocurrency in their finance system. They are developing CryptoRuble under the commision of Russian President Vladimir Putin[1]

That said, I think that is one of the major reason why Russian board is very active in this forum. They are inspired by crypto developers especially Vitalik Buterin who published ETH launch announcement in this forum[3].

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/04/29/meet-the-russians-behind-your-blockchain-and-cryptocurrency-too/?sh=3ce068a33b86
[2] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cryptoruble.asp
[3] [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

Very personal idea: Russia is a country with a lot of very rich people, and is also one of those countries where one day you have everything and the next one, if you do something wrong to the wrong person, well, things could go south very quickly because not everybody probably made money without some kind of favor so, my idea, is that people are well aware of these risks and having bitcoin, or knowing how they work, is just smart.

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Dan Pena explained Putin is Satoshi lol Yeeep Putin is playing a long game and crushing all economies in the world! He doesn't sound like joking, you can find it on youtube.

Russians are more active on thier local board because they speak Russia there. But who's to say after all Satoshi has not revealed himself so maybe he is Russian. But the stats in the forum is not proof.

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good research, but I think even though many users are Russian, I don't think satoshis are Russian. because Satoshi's identity is very hidden, and I think the graph you made is very good. and seen in the graph that you made, it shows that many bitcointalk users are Russians.

and that reassures me
if Satoshi wasn't Russian.

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So you're guessing Satoshi is a Russian because Russian board has a lot post and active members among other local board in this forum?

If I create 300 alt accounts and then make 3000 post on Turkish board, would you say Satoshi is from Turkish? If I create 400 alt accounts and then make 6000 post on new local board e.g. Nepal, would you say Satoshi is from Nepal?

Your assumption isn't make sense and there's 0% correlation about it.

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Satoshi lived in the Internet.

He communicated through email and message boards with people all around the world.

At that time, there was basically no local communities for Bitcoin.

I don't see how having a big community of people using or talking about Bitcoin in a specific area of the world is linked to where Satoshi is from.

Bitcoin was born in the Internet, it has no borders, or origins. It actually needed at least one other peer to start mining, so even that origin is not from a singular physical place.

Also, you're not comparing the main area of the forum, which is in English. There's no local board for English because it's the main one.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

The reason why I asked this question is because I have been following local boards activities posted monthly by Rikafip. Every month Russia activity is always more than double of the other countries. This means that the population of Russians in this forum is higher than other countries by large portion.

I also understand that bitcoin url was blacklisted by the Russian government and yet they are still topping all the charts.

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian. I said so because I am a Nigerian. If I am able to develop something like because, I will bring my people in to take early spot and they will also support me when necessary.

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

Your questions are assumptions that needs to be researched on to verify the relationship between the population of Russia in Bitcoin talk and the nationality of Satoshi. Until we do a proper research on this topic, lets keep on making suggestions and assumptions. The population of Russia compared to other countries could be a good reason why they have more activities in the forum. It could also be that some of the first members of this forum are Russians. Their high population could also be that Russian have close relationship and are openhearted. I said this because it is possible they have the tendency of introducing their countrymen to something good than other countries. Some people are very selfish that they might not want to introduce anyone to such an educative platform because they want only themselves to acquire relevant knowledge.

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It is true that very many Russians join bitcoin talk, more than 1.5 million Russians are involved in bitcoin talk, they are also involved in home mining, because Russia's energy resources and climate provide some of the best conditions for mining from their own homes, although they are a lot involved in bitcoin talk but that doesn't mean Satoshi Nakamoto is Russian, because until whenever we will never know where Satoshi's real origins are.

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until now no one knows where satoshi came from, and if you want to look deeper I don't think we will find the answer until satoshi reveals his identity,
about russian people , a lot of activity in this forum .
I think Russian people have high interest in crypto because we can see many blockchain projects from Russia
you could say the people there are more open and the community they have is very strong about crypto and blockchain
and they made this forum a place for online discussion , like other countries I think

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You are asking the wrong question. It should be, "Why is the Russian local board, more active than the rest?"

Your stats haven't considered the English boards, which makes the assumption not strong enough. I am not from Russia, but their board could be very active because of the nature of policies there.

One thing I have noticed is that there are so many exchangers that seem to originate from Russia than from anywhere else, if you check exchange monitors like Bestchange. Perhaps folks from there are more exposed to crypto and other forms of online transactions.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

I mean, if this is the only evidence that you can present to prove that Satoshi is Russian, then I think that you are lacking substantial evidence. Again, the fact that a certain board has more activity compared to other boards is not conclusive of anything, let alone implying that Satoshi might be Russian. Though some factors may still be considered, this fact alone cannot be conclusive to think that Satoshi is even Russian.

Like what previous discussions have mentioned, the pseudonym "Satoshi" can be a group of people or even an organization. No one really knows about his or their identity/identities since he/they clearly left without a trace.

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Quote from: decodx on November 29, 2022, 05:11:22 PM

Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian.
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This is a wrong conclusion. The forum activity you have shown refers only to local boards and doesn't include the main forum boards. Do you know how many Americans are active on the forums? Or British, Canadian and Australian members—how many of them post here regularly? Besides, Russia is a very large country with a larger population than many western nations. Have you ever considered that maybe the Russian local board is so active because English isn't as prevalent among Russians? Russians tend to use their native language and the Cyrillic alphabet. Many Russians also speak other languages, but students can choose from different language such as German or French—not necessarily English.

Exactly! And also did Satoshi make his posts in Russian? I know he made some posts in British English and others in American style but that’s as far as the trail leads. In my opinion, Satoshi did a great job in concealing his identity, I don’t think we will find the true identity of the pseudonymous person or persons Satoshi Nakamoto that easily even the name is pointing to a different continent. Never once did he write in Japanese, this says a lot about the way HE presented his person. All this was meant to confuse those who would try to find the face behind bitcoin.

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OP, you did well by raising this topic with a good findings but however this is not factual to postulate that there is a correlation between the Russian Local board and Satoshi origin and identity. If I may ask how does this satistical findings on the Russian local board chat participation connotes that he Satoshi is from their? Are there any substantial variables to back your claims? Well I get your point when you try to say that as a person who invented or first accessed an innovation, you will want to bring your people onboard so as to first gain access to that certain technology or innovation which is what every normal and reasonable human would do but however, I do not see anything here which you have said to have any linking with Satoshi. Russians I believe are very much technologically and ICT inclined so hence their early and active participation on their very own local board. We should also note that bounty campaigns run on this platform which is also a means of getting extra income so therefore I will say that presenting a statistical chart for local board participation is not enough proof to back your assumptions or claims.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian.
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This is a wrong conclusion. The forum activity you have shown refers only to local boards and doesn't include the main forum boards. Do you know how many Americans are active on the forums? Or British, Canadian and Australian members—how many of them post here regularly? Besides, Russia is a very large country with a larger population than many western nations. Have you ever considered that maybe the Russian local board is so active because English isn't as prevalent among Russians? Russians tend to use their native language and the Cyrillic alphabet. Many Russians also speak other languages, but students can choose from different language such as German or French—not necessarily English.

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Quote from: macson on November 29, 2022, 04:38:56 PM

(...) satoshi is everywhere, watching us somewhere (...)

So, like a god? Cheesy

Could you spare a coin, almighty? Roll Eyes

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lastly, there is also a possibility that not only Russians are active on the Russian board locally but from neighboring countries that have the same language maybe.

Good point. Georgians, Moldovans, and so on would fall into the same subforum. Bulgarians also don't have their own forum, but use the same alphabet, so they could be contributing.

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I think you forgot to add some important information in your OP, one factor to be considered is that Russian local board was the first local board on bitcointalk. Which means they have been around for the longest time, and also considering their affinity for speaking their own language in IRL and on every online platform. Other local boards That alone is enough reason for their local board to be more active over the years than the others in the forum.

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your topic title is very clickbait bro. satoshi has nothing to do with a local board that has high activity ^{(it's like making baseless speculation)}, satoshi is everywhere, watching us somewhere even maybe he has been around the world.

i read this article ^{[https://triple-a.io/crypto-ownership-russia2022/]} and from the data they provide, there are currently about 10% of Russians who own cryptocurrencies and that is quite a large number, and that data is supported by this article as well ^{[https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/20/treasury-department-russia-avoid-sanctions-using-crypto.html]}

lastly, there is also a possibility that not only Russians are active on the Russian board locally but from neighboring countries that have the same language maybe.

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Posts per local board and active members on the forum isn't an accurate method to measure bitcoin adoption, much less the nationality of its creator. There are many bitcoin enthusiasts besides the members of this forum, although it's undeniable russian community is pretty active on every sectors of crypto environment.

I'm not sure the reason, but as I've observed many russians look for extra income, because they are also present in every micro earnings sites. Maybe it's worthful for them because local currency, ruble, is devalued. On this forum, for example, the high traffic of russians might be due to bounty campaigns.

The fact is that the origins of Satoshi's identity remains unknown and probably will remain so.

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Great research! I don't know why there are so many Russians on this forum, but I know they make this community strong. But this chart doesn't mean that Satoshi is from Russia, Satoshi will not disclose his privacy by bringing people from his country.

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