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legendary
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I think the "Force custom lists" idea by theymos is the best step forward. I think that a less dramatic change would be to dilute DT, add a lot more DT1 members, and see what happens.
A forced custom list will solve the problem you are talking about but what will happen to the newbies? It has been mentioned by theymos too.
What DT exactly is doing? Trying to save people like us a.k.a people who are not familiar with the forum. The majority of the persons will be harmed by either way if no DT is there, IMO. I guess account aged 1 year don't know how the trust system works, in some cases, even some Legendary too. How newbie will save them then?

There have been scammers in DT. It amplifies their scamming power a lot when almost everyone sees them as "trusted" only because someone chose that e.g. a long time ago. Account sales happen too, which make this even worse. DT accounts are traded constantly, so how correct is that perceived trust given by DT then? Also, as I said before, scumbags will find their way on to any curated or however small list, if it gives them a position they want. It's how it works. We've seen this happening on DT, too.

One solution, the one I mentioned in that quote, is to dilute DT list heavily. Also the sole purpose of it should be defined strictly. If such a default list structure exists, it should solely be a list of people unlikely to scam others, it should be nothing more, nothing less. This would then encourage people to make their own custom trust lists while also securing newbies from getting scammed.

It's not for the forum staff / theymos to tell people who to trust. Giving an option to opt-out of that doesn't change this reality where DT has this power.
legendary
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Diluting the DT list (=adding more DT users) would reduce that PITA.
Please explain to my pea brain how this would be so.  Also, how would this affect the ability of DT members to warn others?  Also also, I thought you wanted to get rid of the DT system altogether.

Vod threatened
Yes, I know you've said this ad nauseam across multiple threads.  Sorry I brought it up.

I think the "Force custom lists" idea by theymos is the best step forward. I think that a less dramatic change would be to dilute DT, add a lot more DT1 members, and see what happens.
I did see that thread, and I'm not sure how forcing newbies to create a trust list would work, and they're the ones most likely to fall for scams around here, IMO.  As to adding more DT1 members--did I miss how those would be chosen?  Theymos would have to pick them, since he doesn't like the voting strategy, so it just seems like the DT system would end up being more of a clusterfuck than it already is, unless the DT1 members had to keep very strict trust lists.  Diluting the DT2 pool seems like it would end up with more people with more power, more headaches, more internecine squabbles, more bitching about wrongly-left feedback, and more chaos.

Or have I got my math wrong again?
sr. member
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I think the "Force custom lists" idea by theymos is the best step forward. I think that a less dramatic change would be to dilute DT, add a lot more DT1 members, and see what happens.
A forced custom list will solve the problem you are talking about but what will happen to the newbies? It has been mentioned by theymos too.
What DT exactly is doing? Trying to save people like us a.k.a people who are not familiar with the forum. The majority of the persons will be harmed by either way if no DT is there, IMO. I guess account aged 1 year don't know how the trust system works, in some cases, even some Legendary too. How newbie will save them then?
legendary
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quack
Contrary to what a lot of other members think, I don't get off on being on DT2 and in fact it's a pain in the ass half the time.  But since bitcointalk doesn't even moderate scammers, there needs to be some mechanism through which unwitting members can avoid being scammed and bad behavior can be punished, so to speak. 

Diluting the DT list (=adding more DT users) would reduce that PITA.

I'm assuming your gripe is because of Vod's feedback, and he's one of the active ones.

Vod threatened to red-rate me unless I changed my rating. Threatening to abuse DT position, and then abusing it, has nothing to do with one's activity. DT are currently free to abuse as long as they keep it mild and "legit", and sadly some DT members take advantage of that possibility. Be a friend of 100, bully 1, and those 101 will be sticking together and ignore the wrongdoing (or find some unreasonable excuse). It's exactly the same as in politics. Nobody would care if that structure was not pushed on people by default. Such a structure should not exist in trust system, as trust system should not have any means of top-down authority whatsoever. This sort of mixture of trust network and moderation, that the current trust system sadly is, is not excelling at being a trust system or functional moderation.

So, if we eliminate the whole DT system right now without having a function that the active DT1/DT2 members serve, what would happen?  All the cockroaches would have a field day, that's what.  I hear lots of gripes but no suggestions about alternatives, and I'll admit I can't think of a different system that would be better either.  I used to like the Scammer Tag thing that was in place when I was a lurker, but I do believe Theymos won't be going back to that. 

I think the "Force custom lists" idea by theymos is the best step forward. I think that a less dramatic change would be to dilute DT, add a lot more DT1 members, and see what happens.
legendary
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I include DT, because it's such a strong anomaly that the whole trust system builds around it while that anomaly exists. This is why people who fully acknowledge the possibility to make a fully custom trust list, often do not do it.
I sort of understand that statement, maybe 70% of it.  The other 30% makes my head spin.

Contrary to what a lot of other members think, I don't get off on being on DT2 and in fact it's a pain in the ass half the time.  But since bitcointalk doesn't even moderate scammers, there needs to be some mechanism through which unwitting members can avoid being scammed and bad behavior can be punished, so to speak. 

I completely agree that the trust system is screwed up, and I think I've said that for as long as I've been here.  If Theymos were to ditch the default trust system here tomorrow, and my feedback no longer carried as much weight, I'd be fine with that--as long as there was something in place to warn people about scammers, account dealers, identity thieves, trust abuse, extortion, etc.  If you asked me how many DT2 members exist I couldn't tell you, but I know it's a lot.  But there are only a handful of them active in handing out negs when they think someone deserves it.  The rest are just members that some DT1 peeps trust.  I'm assuming your gripe is because of Vod's feedback, and he's one of the active ones.

So, if we eliminate the whole DT system right now without having a function that the active DT1/DT2 members serve, what would happen?  All the cockroaches would have a field day, that's what.  I hear lots of gripes but no suggestions about alternatives, and I'll admit I can't think of a different system that would be better either.  I used to like the Scammer Tag thing that was in place when I was a lurker, but I do believe Theymos won't be going back to that. 
legendary
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quack
I am against DT and I also have DT on my custom trust list.

Yes, you have become one of DT's biggest critics despite not having an understanding of why it exists, yet you still include it on your list.  Roll Eyes  That means you are a hypocrite & DT has value even to it's biggest critics.  I don't think you're making the point you're trying to make.

I think your understanding of why DT exists differs from the original intention. Care to tell us why you think DT was made in the first place? Do you have any idea why theymos made DT and now says he doesn't like at all how it works?

I am not saying that DT is worthless. I am saying that it should be gone now. Obviously a top-down structure (once again) proves to not function as intended. Also, there are a high amount of critics of DT in the forums and most of them do not care about Meta section.

I include DT, because it's such a strong anomaly that the whole trust system builds around it while that anomaly exists. This is why people who fully acknowledge the possibility to make a fully custom trust list, often do not do it.

I also trust almost everyone in the DT1, so it's convenient for me to add DefaultTrust instead of writing all those users there myself. I can exclude DT1 users I do not trust.

Now just figure out what means that DT is a strong anomaly in the trust system.



People should use custom lists and they should be encouraged and incentivized to do so.
Encourage them: drop a link to Trust settings once in a while Smiley

That's not how a systematic problem gets fixed.



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How can I see someone's trust list without including them to my trust list?
See https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz, or for the uncompressed version from 3 days ago: https://pastebin.com/3CiX1T9p

For the parsed format, check out https://anduck.net/files/bct_trustlists.txt. Also shows who includes/excludes who.
legendary
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How can I see someone's trust list without including them to my trust list?
See https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz, or for the uncompressed version from 3 days ago: https://pastebin.com/3CiX1T9p
Thanks.
It may be interesting to see the total number of entries: 22,605. That means just a few entries per user on average, which is far from enough to replace the DT-system.
I completely agree. Some members are excluding accounts who negatively tagged them(I checked few accounts) and I noticed one member has removed DT from their network and excluded 3 DT members which one of them -ve them and two "neutralized" them with "begging for merit" comment. Eh, it all goes to statistics.
legendary
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I count 3890 users with a custom trust list:
That's rather surprisingly low. Thanks for parsing that, I've always wondered how many people used custom lists!
legendary
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Can you exclude accounts who have DT in their trust network and make a list of accounts with only custom list? Just to see how many people have removed DT from the list.
I can't, the data dump doesn't show "DefaultTrust", only individual usernames.

People should use custom lists and they should be encouraged and incentivized to do so.
Encourage them: drop a link to Trust settings once in a while Smiley
donator
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I am against DT and I also have DT on my custom trust list.

Yes, you have become one of DT's biggest critics despite not having an understanding of why it exists, yet you still include it on your list.  Roll Eyes  That means you are a hypocrite & DT has value even to it's biggest critics.  I don't think you're making the point you're trying to make.

legendary
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quack
That list also includes people who have Default Trust included on their trust lists.

There's no data about that. I parsed the list.

https://anduck.net/files/bct_trustlists.txt shows some additional data, gathered from the https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz file.
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
I count 3890 users with a custom trust list

This is very bad, worse then I thought. DT needs to go, so people can finally start using the trust system as it's intended. Either completely remove DT and start healing trust system slowly, or dilute DT which encourages people to make their own lists.

That list also includes people who have Default Trust included on their trust lists.  It is actually a good sign and shows that thousands of people are augmenting DT with their own alterations as advised.  I'd disagree with your interpretation and say this is better than I'd thought.  I wonder what sort of growth is happening with users augmenting their lists?

I have DT in my trust list, and I use custom trust list, and I am heavily against DT.

Fact is that a really really small portion of forum users have a custom trust list. Quite small amount of users know about the trust system in the first place, but even when that is so, 4000 users having customized their trust list means that users aware of the trust system are clearly not customizing their trust lists.

The heaviest reason to include DT in the customized list is that there's no real reason to remove it as it was there by default. Another reason is that people want to have some sort of overview about what the view is for most of the users.

People should use custom lists and they should be encouraged and incentivized to do so. There should not be a structure like DT as it skews the whole trust system. Of course people who get something out of it tend to not find any reasons to object it, that's largely human nature. It's exactly the same thing as can be seen in the politics, but maybe by acknowledging it we can be better than that?

DT list is an anomaly in the trust system/network. Such should not exist, because eventually it builds up to be like any other top-down hierarchy as the time passes.

I'm happy to see that the one (also being the only one) who can truly change this DT thing doesn't like how it works either.

The problem with presenting such FACTS in meta is that you are sadly relating this information to

1. people who are already fully aware of this
2. People who are deriving power/advantage from the systems operating in this way.

The REAL members who are likely in their ANN threads supporting their projects or on the btc discussion boards likely do not know about meta. They will only find out about it when they get hacked or something.

DT and MERIT need either to be tightened up and not left open and completely subjective to the point of your like or dislike of LEMONS being responsible for you losing your ability to PAID2POST  or trade.  Or they need to be abolished.

Need strict clear criteria for both systems. Punishment/removal from position for not meeting that criteria.

Enforcing this criteria would not even be hard. Just produce the criteria and these system controllers will follow it or they will be booted out. No more voting your mates in to collude with you.  There is no colluding. There is a mandate. There is criteria set. Follow it or you are gone.

Why will they follow the mandate and criteria set? because they like the power. I have no issue with authority or people having power so long as that power is fairly applied to all members in a manner we all understand. Let them have some power. I mean they are likely to have been bullied and dominated in RL. So on the internets let them have some power for a change. I think everyone should sample different ends of the spectrum in all things.

You will then see red trust you won't have to read to see if they like LEMONS. You will know they have demonstrated behaviour that REALLY will mean they are likely to scam you. Of course if they were stealing LEMONS then that is something you need to watch out for.






legendary
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quack
I count 3890 users with a custom trust list

This is very bad, worse then I thought. DT needs to go, so people can finally start using the trust system as it's intended. Either completely remove DT and start healing trust system slowly, or dilute DT which encourages people to make their own lists.

That list also includes people who have Default Trust included on their trust lists.  It is actually a good sign and shows that thousands of people are augmenting DT with their own alterations as advised.  I'd disagree with your interpretation and say this is better than I'd thought.  I wonder what sort of growth is happening with users augmenting their lists?

I have DT in my trust list, and I use custom trust list, and I am heavily against DT.

Fact is that a really really small portion of forum users have a custom trust list. Quite small amount of users know about the trust system in the first place, but even when that is so, 4000 users having customized their trust list means that users aware of the trust system are clearly not customizing their trust lists.

The heaviest reason to include DT in the customized list is that there's no real reason to remove it as it was there by default. Another reason is that people want to have some sort of overview about what the view is for most of the users.

People should use custom lists and they should be encouraged and incentivized to do so. There should not be a structure like DT as it skews the whole trust system. Of course people who get something out of it tend to not find any reasons to object it, that's largely human nature. It's exactly the same thing as can be seen in the politics, but maybe by acknowledging it we can be better than that?

DT list is an anomaly in the trust system/network. Such should not exist, because eventually it builds up to be like any other top-down hierarchy as the time passes.

I'm happy to see that the one (also being the only one) who can truly change this DT thing doesn't like how it works either.




I am against DT and I also have DT on my custom trust list. It appears that you don't get why it is so. Maybe I or others can help you out? Feel free to PM me.
sr. member
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How can I see someone's trust list without including them to my trust list?
It's not possible. Don't know what can you get by digging here- https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz (I never tried)
I got a same kinda thread from 2015 and theymos has shared this link only. Here you go- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-to-check-if-someone-added-me-to-their-default-trust-list-1175364
legendary
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This is very bad, worse then I thought. DT needs to go, so people can finally start using the trust system as it's intended. Either completely remove DT and start healing trust system slowly, or dilute DT which encourages people to make their own lists.
DT should be removed.
This is one of the reasons why DT should be removed completely.
The problem is that DT exists.
Just remove DT



Cheesy

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Can you exclude accounts who have DT in their trust network and make a list of accounts with only custom list? Just to see how many people have removed DT from the list.


How can I see someone's trust list without including them to my trust list?
donator
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I count 3890 users with a custom trust list

This is very bad, worse then I thought. DT needs to go, so people can finally start using the trust system as it's intended. Either completely remove DT and start healing trust system slowly, or dilute DT which encourages people to make their own lists.

That list also includes people who have Default Trust included on their trust lists.  It is actually a good sign and shows that thousands of people are augmenting DT with their own alterations as advised.  I'd disagree with your interpretation and say this is better than I'd thought.  I wonder what sort of growth is happening with users augmenting their lists?
legendary
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quack
I count 3890 users with a custom trust list

This is very bad, worse then I thought. DT needs to go, so people can finally start using the trust system as it's intended. Either completely remove DT and start healing trust system slowly, or dilute DT which encourages people to make their own lists.
legendary
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I think forum moderators can see how many poeple have custom trust setting, i assumption is that they should be very very few.
Trust is public, you can see it too:
https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz

I made it so that'll update every Saturday at 02:52 UTC. -> is "trusts", and -/> is "excludes". Only people with at least 1 post are included. If someone has never touched their trust list, then their trust in DefaultTrust is not shown.
I count 3890 users with a custom trust list:
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Now this makes sense. Got it now.
So until I get trust from some very big level it won't be visible enough.

Trust score may not increase when you get feedbacks from users who are not DT, but it is still good to receive positive feedbacks from those users. Users read your feedbacks(Most should anyways) and get a sense of how reliable you are to make trades with, hire, or trust period.

Another thing, when you leave feedback on others try to make sure to include a reference link so that the action or transaction has merit and cannot be viewed as a fake feedback. Hopefully others that leave you feedback do the same.
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Merit: 280
Yeah I have read it.
Problem is majority users are not aware of how to use trust system and merit system
So mostly for trust, its big level what i was referring to is having trust from one DT person, bcoz that will be visible to everyone.
I think forum moderators can see how many poeple have custom trust setting, i assumption is that they should be very very few.

May be BT should start some area to educate or some weekly email to users with these details, or whoever sign-up few should get somehow to use this platform effectively.
It's true that custom trust list is used by only a few people. I personally am not using custom list because I trust most of the DT people and I want to see feedback from them by default.
Theymos is promoting/encouraging people to use custom trust list by the forum ads slot. Check the 60th number text in factoid slots.
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