Topic: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? - page 7. (Read 58223 times)

I stand corrected. However, I do believe the emigration
does count on the depopulation curve exhibited by Balthazar.

I also took a look at the stats in wikipedia, and the death
rates weren't really 2X birth rates.

Nevertheless it is true that they are in consistent decline,
and I confess of not having been aware of this previously.

Nope. You are wrong there. The official stats in all these three nations consider births, as well as deaths to nationals working abroad in their final stats. So you can't say that the higher death rates are resulting from the elderly population.

I think there has been an emigration boom, ever since
those countries joined EU. Here in Finland, the building sector industry
is filled with Estonians - better pay and social security.

I guess the death rates appear higher as those who are
left behind tend to be mostly old people.

May be. But unlike the situation in Lithuania and Latvia (where the death rate is almost two times the birth rate), the population is not rapidly declining in most of the developed countries. Take the example of the United States, Canada, France, Norway, Denmark, Ireland.etc. Low birth rate is not the real problem in the Baltics. The major issue is extremely-high death rates.

In most developed countries, the birth rates are
slowing down, and not because of dismal living conditions.
I think you need to provide some more detailed
statistics to back your assertions.



If you mean EU by "my" current regime, yes, I do
agree that it is another disastrous experiment, and only hope
that its inevitable dismantlement won't be too catastrophic.

However, I don't think the level of deprival of civil rights
in EU is nowhere near the situation that prevailed in USSR.
Sorry for stating the obvious once again.


Well, your idea of legality seems to be that might makes right.
As for being hypocritical, all I can say that I would like to see any kind of state become un-created,
puppets or masters alike.But for my people and for my turf, I'd be prepared to fight off any invader, whether from west or east.
That is, I am an anarchist, but also a patriot, a Finn.
 

You know, somebody would say that Russians are strange guys but in fact it's completely opposite. I think that these weird attempts to see nonexistent whitewashing in nothing but regular conversation will never cease to amuse me. It's just a discussion, like it or not it's the way it's gotta be.

Sorry, I thought that basics of arithmetical education are provided by the most of European schools. If there is no proper living conditions then people are dying and population is decreasing. Population growth is also slowing down due to deaths of those people who would be able to marry and give birth to future generations. Isn't this correlation quite simple? I'm sorry for being too accurate.

I think that nobody hides anything. We all know about social experiment, violations of human rights etc. Especially the violations and experiments done by your current governments. Do you really think that condemned decision is enough to whitewash activities of your current regime? You're condemning the deprival of civil rights, suppression of opposition while doing the same thing right now. Excuse me, but I see nothing except Orwellian kind of doublethink disfunction here.

Thank you for the clarification, but I suppose it was obvious for anybody. Even citizens of Gliese 581c will be able to hear screams about annexation. J. Stalin decided to move border closer to Germany due to strategical reasons, and he did it without authorization from the Congress of Soviets. You know, secret addition to Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was officially condemned in 1989 as unconstitutional decision which doesn't represent will of the people.

I hate to say it by I would annex these territories on the same "legal" basis even if it would result with a consequent trial and execution. Buffer territories were required for our survival, creation of puppet states was necessary to prevent the destruction of our industry in the first days of inevitable war. Don't be a hypocrite, you would do the same for your own country. Being politician is a very dirty work.

But all these things doesn't matter today, because we're living in the nuclear age. Buffer states won't be effective against the nuclear weapons. There is no purpose to annex these territories again, because the both sides have enough nuclear weapons to destroy each other for dozens of times. Since the first successful nuclear test this world doesn't revolve around the baltic republics anymore. Get a life and stop worrying about nonsense. Make love, it's necessary for survival of your people. It won't help you to stop EU's genocidal policies but it's much better than nothing.

Oh, wait... Brussels is the capital of Belgium! I KNEW IT! GOTCHA! Damned Belgians are raping poor Lithuanians, imagine evil they are. Brrrr what a disgusting act of genocide. Belgium's crime should be condemned as soon as possible. %)

By raped, I mean forceful annexation, stripping
of human rights, mass deportations and everything
else that came with Soviet rule.

I don't understand the need for modern Russians to
whitewash all that, now that they've left that
horrendous social experiment behind them. Or have
they?

And sorry, I don't see how your demographic curve
correlates with general welfare.

Oh common... I smell this poor Latvia/Lithuania/Estonia raped by USSR again %) If they were raped then why their demography had a positive dynamics until 1990s?



By the way, share of titular nations is also going down.

Why not google some charts before pushing this ridiculous template again and again? There is no doubt that socialist system had enough very serious issues but it allowed people to achieve positive dynamics. On the other hand, now they're slowly dying out and coming to their end.

Ok, if they were raped by USSR then which term should be sufficient to describe what happens to them right now? I'd prefer something like "EU-approved neo-liberal genocide", do you have any other suggestions?

Considering that they all were pretty much raped by
Soviet Union, I kind of understand their motivation  to join
NATO.


Hello? Your bosses are worse than Putin. Overthrowing governments,
breeding instability and installing thugs around the globe for their
selfish, short-sighted aims.

I think you're aware that we're able to watch BBC, CNN, FauxNews, et cetera. Of course we know that your people would prefer to see some news about Jastin Bieber.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hVBzuXCbOxA

And that's a major reason of all these events. As well as any other proxy war, this one happens due to your silent permission. Congratulations.

I wonder is our Russian posters are aware that this is not even in the news anymore. No one in America cares about these issues, not even a little.

In addition to that, the total population in all these three countries are going down like a falling knife. The current population of Latvia is 1.9 million, down from 2.7 million two decades ago. Lithuania has seen its population going down to 2.8 million from a peak of 3.7 million. If things continue like this, then within a few years, these nations will be absorbed (peacefully) by either Germany or the USA.

I'd say that they're just attention whores who worth virtually nothing. Just for example, combined population of Estonia and Lithuania is less than population of St. Petersburg.

The three Baltic states actually make more noise than they are really worth (in a military sense). They will be taken over in a matter of hours as NATO troops wisely withdraw from there (dunno if there are any), and I guess even without firing a shot...

To log the development...

The Canadian journalist published an interesting piece:

NATO seeks to draw in new anti-Russia forces: Analyst
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/05/05/409570/NATO-Russia-Ukraine-War-Games-Victory-Day-

Seems the house of lies that is NATO is having trouble holding up, and the French are the ones who got tired of the USA' hypocrisy first.

French military intelligence rules out ‘Russian invasion plans’ for Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/248877-france-ukraine-russian-military/

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Also, USA made an unexpected advertisement to the Russian fighter pilots' skills. A week ago, an American electronic surveillance plane RC-135 was heading towards the Russian border from the Baltic sea with its transponder turned off. Russians sent a lone fighter plane to identify the potential intruder. The fighter had to come as close a 6 meters off the American plane before he identified it and started heading him off from Russian border. Pentagon sad the Russian fighter pilot was reckless. I say the pilot of SU-27 is an ace.

http://www.vz.ru/society/2015/4/11/739456.html

No surprise there. Once a vassal state, always a vassal state. After Merkel became the chancellor, Germany is trying really hard to become a loyal slave of Obama.

George Friedman of the "shadow CIA" organisation Stratfor speaks at The Chicago Council on Global Affairs. He has a very frank view on the current foreign doctrine of the United States. He spells out the USA's view on EU (basically echoing the famous Nudelman's stance), on NATO (it's a hindrance to USA) and on the vassal states between Russia and Europe.

This is a must-watch!

George Friedman, "Europe: Destined for Conflict?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLu_yyz3tc

Also, the following fragment is about the paramount goal for the USA to create split between Germany and Russia, repeating the previous two "successes". This fragment is subbed to German:

Stratfor:The US Main Interest is to Stop Alliance Between Russia and Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5SjPLJOjqc

Some comments:

In case of any military confrontation between Russia and NATO, these four countries will be wiped off the face of earth. The United States, as usual will refuse to help them in any manner, and will sit back and watch the show.